In another one of our animated how to videos Bryan explains How to Leak Test an AC With Nitrogen Pressure.
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In this video, i want to talk about nitrogen pressure, testing and leak detection. It's a pretty simple seaming subject, but it's an area that a lot of mistakes are made because again the nitrogen pressure test is the place that we confirm that we don't have any leaks, especially after we've brazed in all of our copper connections made all of our Flared connections or other types of mechanical connections, and so it's really important that we pass or fail so that way we know if we have any additional leaks. It's a super important part of a clean, dry and tight system, which is what allows a new air conditioning. Refrigeration system to last a really long time, all right step, one before you're, going to pressure test anything or do any further leak detection.
You want to make sure that there are not any leaks at your schrader course now again depending on. If this is a brand new system or if you've made a significant repair or whether you're walking up to a system for the first time, this is going to vary how this is going to go. But if you walk up to a system that has any signs of oil around the schraders you're going to want to go ahead and address those right away. So, generally speaking, the best bet would just be to go ahead and pull out the old schraders and replace them to eliminate them, as a potential problem also make sure that your caps have seals any hoses you're going to connect for your nitrogen pressure test should have Nice new seals in them, and then another thing to keep in mind is when you are bubble testing a best practice in bubble.
Testing is to put a cap over the port with no seal in it and then spray bubbles on the cap rather than spraying bubbles. Straight into the schrader port, if you get soap in there, obviously we don't want that in the system, so putting a cap over it with no seal will kind of act as a dust cap but will still allow anything to leak out and that's just kind of A good practice, if you are going to bubble test them, you can also bubble test your actual hoses or any of your connections after you're, under pressure before you're, going to pressure test, you want to purge nitrogen through the system. Now that's different than flowing nitrogen flowing nitrogen is done at a super super low pressure, something like three to five scfh purging can be done at a much higher pressure. This image here is showing the western nitrogen regulator that has the purge mode right on it.
But, generally speaking, i'm going to purge it's something like 100 psi and that's just purging through one side and allowing it to flow out the other side, and this just ensures that we displace as much air and oxygen as we can before. We pressurize. Then we're going to attach pressure probes to each side of the system, i'm showing here using two crts core remover tools. With the pressure probes on the sides, you can use a different strategy using a manifold if you like, just keep in mind that the more connections that you place into the system, the more likely those connections themselves, are going to be. The leak point also commonly with manifolds the actual gauge where it attaches to the manifold body, is a possible leak point. So you're going to want to make sure all of those are leak free as well. Next, you're going to pressurize the equipment with 250 to 600 psig of nitrogen. That's typical! Again! You want to follow the manufacturer's recommendations.
Generally speaking, if you are going to be pressurizing, the low side of the system you're going to use the low side test pressure, if you're working on something like a vrf or vrv system, that's where these higher pressures would come in and those are recommended by some Manufacturers, once you get up to your desired pressure range, then you're going to valve off the nitrogen from the system. This is a nice way you can use crts because they give you nice easy ball valves. The good quality ones that are designed for vacuum also hold really nicely with their design. You also do want to make sure that you are not leaking out of the end and again that's where you can once again use that technique use a cap with no seal in it, cap it and then bubble test it around that cap, rather than spraying bubbles.
Right in the end of a crt just to make sure that you're not leaking there, especially when you're using these higher pressures like 500 or 600 psi next you're going to let it stand typically for 30 to 60 minutes, that's going to be a very standard residential Type of test pressure, time frame, if you're doing something like a vrf or vrv system, where you have much higher internal volumes a lot of piping and you have to make sure you do not have leaks, then sometimes they're going to have you sit 24, even 48 Hours, so that's why i mentioned you know: do it according to manufacture specifications, if you see any drop, that's where you want to start over again start over and make sure that you test everything either way, i'm going to use soap bubbles on any field fabricated joints, Especially any braised joints or any flares that we made while you're under this pressure test and just checking for small micro bubbles. If you are going to perform an electronic leak detection, you would have had to put a little bit of trace refrigerant in first and again that varies quite a bit. There is no standard guideline. I can give you of how much to add.
That's one of the common questions we get, how much trace refrigerant. Do you add um you're not going to add a lot? Generally speaking on a residential system, it's going to be well under a pound and you're just going to put it in the vapor phase. It's just so that way you can trace and find it with an electronic leak detection. Once you have passed or failed now, you release the nitrogen.
You proceed with whatever else you're going to do. If it's a new system or you've replaced a component. The next step would be the vacuum generally. If it does fail, then you again start over use your soap bubbles or use your electronic leak detection methods. Now one thing i also want to mention is using a nitrogen pressure calculator if there is a significant change in temperature. So let's just use an example. Let's say we put in 300 psi, which would be a very standard pressure to use if the temperature started off at 90 degrees and then the average temperature dropped to 70 degrees over the period of time of the pressure test, my pressure would drop to 288 psig. Again, you also see here i calculated the atmospheric pressure at sea level, so you would also need to calculate that, and so it is normal for nitrogen pressure to change within the system if there is a significant change in temperature, but keep in mind that temperature change Relates to both the inside and outside if you've got a split system and the evaporators inside and the condenser is outside and you're pressurizing everything that's going to be an average of everything both inside and outside, and that can be a tricky business and so just recognizing Primarily that there will be a change in pressure if there's a change in temperature generally, if you're doing a 30 minute to an hour type of pressure test, there's not going to be a big enough change that it would matter if you're doing a 24 hour or 48 hours, something really long like that, there could be a significant difference and using a nitrogen pressure.
Calculator can really help. So that's it. That's some of our best practices for nitrogen pressure. Testing make sure you use a good quality regulator, make sure you have no leaks.
Try to keep it as simple as possible and monitor that pressure on both sides. Another thing to keep in mind that i've mentioned in previous videos is, if you are pressurizing on the liquid line and you're watching your suction side come up, which is what i generally suggest put it in the liquid line. Watch the suction side come up if you're doing higher pressures and you have a hard shutoff. Txv you'll hit a point where it will stop flowing through because that hard shut off txv closes off, and so that's something to think about.
And when you get to that point, you would have to pressurize from both sides in order to get up to those higher pressures. If you are pushing through a hard shut off txv all right, that's it thanks for watching we'll catch you on the next video thanks for watching our video, if you enjoyed it and got something out of it, if you wouldn't mind hitting the thumbs up button to Like the video subscribe to the channel and click, the notifications bell to be notified when new videos come out, hvac school is far more than a youtube channel. You can find out more by going to hvacrschool.com, which is our website and hub for all of our content, including tech tips, videos, podcasts and so much more. You can also subscribe to the podcast on any podcast app of your choosing. You can also join our facebook group if you want to weigh in on the conversation yourself thanks again for watching you.
Thankyou for the advice on the Schrader core leak test…Been doing this of and on since 1985 and still didn't figure that one out . My father taught me that if it leaks under high pressure it will leak under low pressure……Wouldn't nitrogen test at 75 lbs be just as effective under soap bubbles to the discerning eye….Nitrogen gas is a fairly small molecule and would leak more readily as opposed to cfc, hcfc, or hfc…
When adding nitrogen for a leak test do you guys recover all the freon before adding the nitrogen or do you add the nitrogen with freon in it Service area Orleans??
Hi, can anyone here let me know if its ok to charge r22 to a converted 407c system? I have a old r22 walk in cooler that was changed to 407c changed compressor . But there was a small leak, and the tech charged r22. Please let me know if that will cause a issue to the compressor. Appreciate your reply.
Do you need to pressure test on both the highside and lowside scrader valves?
Will be more helpful if speak slowly
And how is a leak fixed if one is found when nitrogen pressured? Are you in Kanata ?
Don't put the r410a in as vapor you will screw up the whole 30 pound jug
Do you use dry nitrogen?
If so where can you purchase?
Thanks
Will someone help me understand how to nitrogen purge, test, and vacuum the Entire system……. inside unit, line set and( THE OUTDOOR UNIT ) of a mini-split with only one service port? Seenville 12,000 btu heat pump. The system is 6 yrs old, was given to me with no refrigerant in it. The owner let me have it for free. He said the only problem was leaking flares. He hired a cheap guy on craigslist to fix it…..well the guy supposedly lost the charge and never came back to fix it. Professionals wanted to charge him enough to get him to just buy a new one. I carefully removed it from his home. I have 2 other mini splits that I installed myself and I love them….I have all necessary tools and know how to use them….what I don't know is if the outdoor unit will allow my nitrogen to flow all the way through it. How do I know if the entire system loop is accessible through the one service valve? Does the EEV need opened up with a doughnut magnet? Is there some refrigerant trapped in the compressor that could be contaminated with air/moisture…..how do I make sure I have a clean, dry, and tight system in this situation? I wish I could just make new flares, hook up the lines, open both hex ports add nitrogen to the one service valve on the larger line, fill it to 200 psig and crack the flare nut on the small line a let it purge out, then seal the system and do a leak test. Is it that easy? does the entire system loop pressurize ….or is there going to be some point where the nitrogen bypasses the compressor or EEV?
Question for all you intelligent HVAC people . What is the Max pressure you would pressurize a new lineset with a new condensing unit with charge behind the service valves . Would you worry about forcing nitrogen into the condensing unit with to high of testing pressure ?
Thanks for the useful video.
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suuuuuuuuuuper vid. Service area Ottawa??
Thanks for a wonderful explanation
I would add . Even after recovery to prepare for a pressure test , the system will have some refrigerant in it . Do a quick pressure test to eliminate any huge leaks . Purge the system. Pull a quick vacuum to try and remove some of that residual refrigerant { in the compressor oil etc } The extra residual refrigerant will mess with pressure /temp swings way more than just nitrogen. And for you new guys that might have just glanced the part about a 600 psig test pressure, thinking more pressure is better ? Remember, a compressor shell can experience tons and tons of pressure on its walls. Add too much pressure and it can become a bomb. Going to extremes on pressure testing can become deadly.
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Question unrelated to latest video: What temperature difference if any can be expected on a gas furnace in heat mode across the a/c evaporator coil?
Excellent way of teaching,god bless you.
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Never ever ever ever ever ever put more than 350 PSi in a system. The compressor shell is rated around 350 PSI. The shell is never exposed to the output pressure of the compressor. 33 years experience working on heatpumps.
Did big blue change there product? I bought a 1 gallon jug to refill my spray bottle. I noticed the new stuff is thicker. Nothing on the jug says to dilute it.
Never knew what a hard shut off Txv was, seen that happen many times pressure testing splits. Thanks for the info!
If you pressure test a system without having the service valves front seated, you will introduce this high pressure to the inside of the compressor shell, which is normally the low side pressure when it is running or equalized pressure while it is off .A 410a system can have pressures at the discharge line of over 500 psig when it is running, but this is not the pressure that the compressor shell is ever exposed to. There would be no problem with the heavier duty semi hermetic compressors but a thinner hermetic compressor could rupture under these pressures. I used to pressurize systems to 400 psig all the time until I read some information from Copeland compressors that ( from what I remember) recommended a maximum of 200 psig on the old R-22 compressors. May be higher for the 410a systems but I think 600 psig is excessive . You might want to recheck that. Service area Nepean??
Great video.
I’m might be missing something but this got me thinking…
the flow is cut off at the compressor and if so how does the air get purged between the high side service valve through the evaporator to the compressor or the low side service valve to the compressor.
Just wondering
Soooo what about Mini split systems – Only one evacuation port on the Suction line… Please explain how to do this on Minisplit systems…Recently started following your chnl, if you have already addressed this then please send me to the video etc…Thanks and love your videos !!!! Are you in Barrhaven ?
For us Europeans it blows our minds that you lot are still using freon as a tracer gas , we stopped doing that years ago because its sooo forbidden !
We use Trace-a-gas which is a mixture or 95% nitrogen and 5% hydrogen, then you just use a hydrogen electronic detector and voilà.
And now they make electronic leak detectors that react to HFC , HFO and hydrogen so you only really need one leak detector which is very handy.
There's really no reason to vent refrigerant anymore to be honest.
Спасибо!!! thanks in russian!!!
I love the way your teache , I wanna know more about A/C and Refrigeration, thank you