I've been asked recently if you should replace your linesets when you get a new HVAC system? This video gives you some things to think about since I don't think the answer is a simple yes or no.
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Hey guys before we get to the video, please click that subscribe button. Thank you, hey guys, joshua griffin here and i am out today fixing some heat for a few folks and, as you can see, it's a little rainy, little wintry little bit of snow out here, which is uh. You know not uncommon in virginia, but we're down near the water and we don't get a lot of snow so anyway, i wanted to do a video i've gotten a question uh twice actually in the past month, where folks are basically asking about replacing their line, sets They're they're having their systems replaced and they want to know. Is it a good idea to replace their line sets and i'm going to kind of go through that? I'm i i've got a few thoughts on the subject, but ultimately, what i'm talking about during the making of this video you know, there's all kinds of technologies coming out.
There will probably be more technologies coming out different materials, uh being made for the uh. You know line sets themselves and i'm just talking about you know old school copper line sets been using them for years, and you know we're still using them every day at griffin, air uh, we you know we'll we'll stretch new line, sets and raise them in with The new systems, now, if you have a uh, a package unit, you know you don't have uh line, sets running between an indoor and outdoor unit, they're all right there inside of the unit. So i'm talking about split systems where you have an outdoor unit, whether it be a heat pump or air conditioner, and you have an indoor unit, whether it's an air handler or furnace and so to get started on this subject. You know again, i want to go through a few things for you to think about and to get started.
I just want to say that in general, if it's not a big deal to replace the line, sets, i would say in general it's a good idea to replace them. You know you'll know it's peace of mind. You'll know they're new they've been brazen with the new system hypothetically, they should have no leaks. That said, uh, i don't think you know when people ask that question they're looking for a general, yes or no and i'm sure, there's heating and air, guys that'll watch this video and give their two cents.
Probably i i seem to get some of that and you know just folks saying: well we replace the lancets every time you know or this or that, but the reason i tread lightly on that is every house is different. You know uh, i don't think, there's a a blanket statement that you can say every time you should or you don't have to replace them, there's different scenarios. Moving on. I just want to say that in general, yes, it's a good idea to replace them, but in some cases you you know, i don't want to say you can't, but it would be a big chore to to replace them right.
So if the system is located in say, the crawl space or somewhere in your home might not be a big deal just stretch. New line sets pull the old ones out and you know you, you got new line sets, but if you have a system that is either in the attic or on the second floor of the home, but you know it's got to go down and out to the Outdoor unit, sometimes you're talking about opening up walls, you're talking about quite a project to get those line sets replaced - and i would here here in virginia - it's not unheard of for the systems to be in the attic for the air handler or the furnace to be. In the attic, i think the further you go south, the more that's true. You still can in a lot of cases, replace the line sets uh. You may have to run them on the exterior of the home. If you don't want to open up walls and stuff, and then we encapsulate that in what we call slim duct or there's other brand names, but it's basically a vinyl tube of some type. It kind of looks like downspouts from your gutters running down the side of the house, but they're it's made of vinyl, and so you know it's not that big a deal if you know, if that's possible or you're. Okay with that, but let's just say you, you know you don't want that, you you're, you know it's not not in the cards.
Let me say this: there is no difference between the line sets that we installed 20 years ago with r22 systems, and the line sets that we have today, there's they're the same thickness best i can tell uh. You know the pressures went up when we went to 410a and you can hypothetically reuse the line sets now if you do reuse the line sets. Obviously you want to pressure test them in some cases flush them. It depends on your manufacturer.
Some manufacturers say they do want you to flush them. Some manufacturers say we don't want you flushing them. I would just follow whatever they say. They have the reasons for saying one way or the other in general.
For the longest time we would always flush them and then you know clean them out blow them out all that good stuff and then obviously pressure test and pull a good vacuum. But you know there are some manufacturers, they don't want. You know other contaminants coming into those landsats, for whatever reason that said, if you are going to reuse your landsats, if you follow you know, protocols follow the manufacturer's instructions and you know make those line sets as new as you can again. It's not the end of the world if you reuse the line sets in my opinion again, i know there's going to be people with other opinions, but it's not the end of the world.
You just want to make sure you cross your t's and dot your eyes. If you're not going to replace them, the last thing i want to just throw in there is just be aware that in some cases the line sets required for the new system may be a different size. So you know years ago, there's one particular brand that i can think of that you know they were okay. In fact, they you know put in their specs to run quarter inch liquid line sets these days in a lot of cases.
They're, not you know, newer systems they're, not okay, with that they want at least three eighths. Just in summary, you know, i would just say if you can replace them, it's probably a good idea to go ahead and replace them. But if you can't, in my opinion, it's not the end of the world, we reuse landsats, often it's not the end of the world. You just want to make sure you're doing what you're supposed to do as far as the contractor goes taking them off the old unit. Raising them into the new unit is not. You know doing what you can to make those things new and making sure that they're going to hold pressure with all that said, if you're in our coverage area - and you are in the market for a new heating and air system, give us a call we'll give You a free estimate, we'll give you a great warranty. The best warranty, i think in the area - and you know we'd love - to earn your business if you're, not in our coverage area but you're in the market for a new heating and air system. Before you spend thousands check out my website, new hvac and the whole idea behind this website is just like a cpa would help you with your taxes.
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I have one question: my HVAC unit had sealer installed this summer, and I’m planning on replacing the evaporator in a few weeks. Should I replace the line set, flush it, or just replace the filter drier?
Good video. My house is in the south and I have a split system where the a/c unit is outside but gas furnace is in the attic. I was wondering if the lineset would need to be replaced when replacing the a/c unit as I can see it would be a big job to do so. The contractor I plan to use has a good reputation so will go with whatever he suggest. In the process of getting a price now.
If your line set is over fifteen years old you should consider changing it. Or have the technician comb through it to make sure wherever it goes, it isn't rubbing up against something.
Some people get robbed because they blame the evaporator, sell you a new system, then it turns out you had a suction line leak in your attic where it rubbed against a piece of wood for 20 years
I’ll replace if it’s accessible but some cases as you stated such as the handler in the attic it could not be worth the cost or run it outside with slim duct
As long as they are the right size older systems ran 1/4 or 5/16 liquid line these should be replaced. But yes if they are the right size reuse them
Maybe if you use the old lineset the manufacturer may not honor the warranty on the compressor if it fails.
We have a 3/4 line set on our "ac ready home" that was installed by the builder but the home is 3000sqft and we want a trane/American standard unit (like our furnace) and only options are 3 ton. Any thoughts? Thanks! Service area Orleans??
Awesome videos, thank you so much?
Talking about the linesets and brazing, what do you think about RLS Rapid Locking System ? Have you ever used them instead of good old brazing?
Would you think seals will survive outdoors harsh Chicago conditions?
Would you still need dry nitrogen since there is no brazing contamination?
I just got a quote for a complete two-furnace/ac replacement that did not include new line sets. The current system is 20 years old and I plan on living in the house for another 9 years. I would need two 25 foot line sets. Labor to install shouldn't be too bad as the linesets run from the coils up along the basement ceiling and out the siding to the the compressors; it's all exposed. Given this scenario, would you recommend replacing the linesets during the new ac install if the current linesets would be 29 years old when I sell the house? I'm not worried only about leaks, but also about contamination of the new system (which uses a different refrigerant) that could shorten the life of the compressor. I guess it comes down to whether or not I'm will to take the risk, but it's certainly cheaper to replace the linesets with the new ac than to pay for a separate service call after all the refrigerant has leaked out or the compressor fails. Question is, would they BOTH have to fail to make the initial cost of replacement pay off? Would you personally take the chance? How many lineset failures due to age have you actually seen?
copper should last 30 to 40 years so if you want to spend the money its your choice Are you in Kanata ?
We are having the same crap weather down here too! Great video!
My new system (SEER 16) called for a 25-30 ft. long 7/8 inch suction line. The tech that installed it used my old 3/4 inch tube instead and told me it would make very little difference and the cost to install the 7/8 inch tube would have been over $700 and some holes in my wall. ( Old one was inside a wall.) He stated my payback on a new line set in energy savings would take 20 years or more. It works great so far and I do see a little savings over my old 13 SEER system. I hope I made the right choice.
I had one guy tell me that it is a closed system & their is no need to replace the line set. I wonder would the person installing give you credit for the scrap copper price of old line set if they install a new one.