Bryan talks freezing in an air conditioner and specifically freezing in an air conditioner.
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In this video we're going to talk about a frozen air conditioning system, if you are working with a heat pump or a commercial freezer or a home refrigerator or freezer in those cases, there will be cases where freezing is normal. A heat pump and heating mode or say a freezer coil has to have a defrost cycle on it. We are talking specifically about freezing in an air conditioner, specifically diagnosing and dealing with a freezing evaporator. So, let's start with something that comes up a lot: people will see ice coming out of the cabinet or ice outside by the compressor and they'll think that's where it originates, but the ice in a system at least normally.
There are exceptions to this, of course, but normally the ice, if it exists, starts in that evaporator coil, and that is a undesired condition. You should not have ice on the coil on an air conditioner running in cooling mode, so step one. If you do find a frozen, evaporator, coil or any ice on an air conditioning system running in cooling mode first, you need to fully defrost the system. Defrost the coil and then check in the order of airflow, then look for refrigerant restrictions.
Then look for refrigerant charge! Issues and the reason i say that is because so many people rush to adjusting the refrigerant charge. You know it's the old. I think it just needs a little freon thing. That is not where you start start with.
The obvious signs of airflow then move forward from there first get the ice off if in most cases, this is just gon na mean allowing the thing to defrost. Naturally, you know shut it off with just the blower running in the case of a fan coil with the blowers over the coil. If it is a gas furnace and you have a severely frozen evaporator coil, then you're going to want to pull out the blower housing and try to manage that ice as much as possible as it melts use a shop vac. In some cases you can use a heat gun or something of that nature don't use any sort of sharp implement or any extreme heat to try to defrost a coil.
So you got to get all the ice off step number one. Do it as gently as possible step two check for a dirty air filter and don't just check in the one spot, because in some cases you get situations where people have jammed a filter into into a return or they've double filtered. So, look everywhere that a filter could be before you check anything else, next check the evaporator coil cleanliness on both sides and some systems. This can be very difficult to do if it is very difficult to do.
You can jump forward and do a static pressure drop test across the evaporator coil. If that's easier and look at the manufacturer's specifications in order to see if it's out of range for most of us, though, it's going to be just as easy to take a look at that evaporator coil and see if it is visibly dirty. Next step check your blower wheel for cleanliness and both of these cases, if they are dirty you're going to need to clean them. If you can clean them in place great, but in many cases you're going to have to pull them outside, especially with the blower wheel. You can pull the entire assembly outside and wash it out in. The yard always remove the blower motor from the blower wheel before you attempt to clean it. Next, you want to make sure that your airflow settings are correct, so check your blower performance charts for the particular piece of equipment, you're working on make sure that your dip switches or pins or thermostat controls are set up to produce the designed airflow for the particular Piece of equipment that you have there's a lot of rules of thumb out there and some of them can be helpful for a particular market. But ultimately you need to know what the design air flow is for the system that you are working on.
What target are you trying to hit? People will throw around 350 cfm per ton or 400 cfm per tonne or 500 cfm per ton, but you need to know the design of your particular piece of equipment to know what target you are trying to hit. As an example, if you have a system, that's up in the mountains, where the air is much less dense, you have to move more air in order to do the same amount of work with the air, because the air weighs less once you've established that, then you Can do a total external static pressure test on the system to make sure that you don't have undue resistance in your ductwork, and this is only valid on a system that is already clean and once you already know, the system has been set up for proper settings Measure your total external static measure, your supply, static on the positive side and your return static on the negative side, whichever one has the higher number, is the side that you want to look at. So look for things like kinked, ductwork or ductwork, that's improperly, strapped or undersized. There are a lot of things that can go wrong with ductwork.
Even things like someone, you know pushing a couch up against the return or shutting off a bunch of registers in the house. Once you're done with that, then you want to check your refrigerant pressures and temperatures there's a whole wide range of them. This video is not about that, but you want to check your sub cooling, your super heat. You want to check your suction saturation.
You want to check your liquid saturation. A really good tip is just to use the measure quick app in order to make it easy and see. If you are in range, you want to confirm that you don't have any restrictions, so things like temperature drop across a liquid line, filter dryer. Those are the types of things you want to ensure that you do not have, and then you also want to check and make sure that your metering device is operating properly, that it's not under feeding the evaporator coil.
A lot of folks will say that a charge problem or a restriction in the liquid line won't cause freezing, really does depend on run time and the market and that you're in and how much moisture is in the air. But there are certainly cases where restrictions, whether it's an underfeeding metering device or a restricted liquid line, dryer or a system - that's just plain undercharged - can cause freeze-ups on an evaporative coil, so pay attention for that in terms of liquid line filter dryers, you want to use The same clamp on either side of the liquid line, filter dryer and make sure that you do not have a temperature drop across that liquid line, filter dryer. Anything that's measurable over one degree is an indication of a restriction in most applications. Now you want to confirm all refrigeration cycle, components and processes are functioning properly. We say that as sort of a catch-all, because there are a lot of things that can potentially go wrong depending on the type of system you're working on and anything that causes your evaporator temperature to drop below 32 degrees. That's what causes a freezing evaporative coil! So you have to understand about suction saturation. You have to know that your system is properly matched. Obviously, if you have a evaporator coil, that's the wrong size to match the condensing unit that can cause the problem.
There's just a lot of things that could cause it, and so you have to go through and just make sure everything that's in this system is what it's supposed to be. Somebody didn't you know slam in a compressor, that's way oversized or a metering device. That's the wrong size so on and so forth, and a lot of that just requires due diligence again when you start earlier in the process and just go with the most obvious things many times, you'll find the obvious problem before you get to kind of scratching your Head here at the end and then step nine just make sure that you have the proper refrigerant charge and that's where you check your superheat sub cool, again suction saturation, liquid saturation, your condensing temperature over ambient, your design temperature differences on your evaporator coil. If you find that you're, this is completely over your head and you have no idea what i'm talking about, then you want to refer to our article on the hvacr school dot com website that talks about the five pillars of refrigeration circuit diagnosis.
But again before you get to this point start with airflow airflow is one of the largest causes of coil freezing and especially consistent coil freezing, getting the airflow settings wrong. Having a mismatched system having duct work, that's too small, dirty, blower, wheel, dirty filter. Those sorts of things are the things you want to definitely pay attention to. First, if you don't have the proper air flow over your evaporator coil, then that evaporator coil is going to run colder and is going to be prone to freeze, as always read the manual for the equipment you're working on, and you have to have some knowledge of What the proper air flow should be in order to know whether or not you hit that target, so that is it. Those are my tips for why an evaporator, coil phrases common causes and then also what to do about it. Thanks for watching we'll catch you on the next video thanks for watching our video, if you enjoyed it and got something out of it, if you wouldn't mind hitting the thumbs up button to like the video subscribe to the channel and click, the notifications bell to be Notified when new videos come out, hvac school is far more than a youtube channel. You can find out more by going to hvacrschool.com, which is our website and hub for all of our content, including tech tips, videos, podcasts and so much more. You can also subscribe to the podcast on any podcast app of your choosing.
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Can't you melt the ice by leaving the unit on fan? Are you in Nepean ?
Refrigerant leak
This is way above my skills as an apartment maintenance technician lol…but great video though
So why would a machine not blow cold if the Freon isn’t low the capacitor is working and the air filter is brand new
Good info 👍🏻
This video is very descriptive but way above my technical knowledge. I'm going to just call my local HVAC repair guy.
Are technicians authorized to conduct the work you are describing? Do you differentiate between engineers and technicians, or do you suggest parties just do whatever they feel like doing? What do you suggest a party do, when the Dept of Licensing comes calling? Are you in Barrhaven ?
I think am going get a professional to check my AC
Million dollar question can running the AC with the evaporator frozen cause the lost of refrigerant ? And is that consider a leak created by running the AC while evaporator is frozen??
Good job. Service area Kanata??
The number one reason i run into is low on Freon, then second is a bad fan motor . Very rarely i find an evap coil freezin solely because of filter
It's cold outside!
An early lesson in running service. The suction line to the rooftop condensing unit was totally frozen and some of the body of the compressor. It was at a funeral home with a service in progress. I couldn’t find the light switch in the basement where the evaporator was and the blower.
It was running and blowing air. I defrosted and cleaned around the condensing unit. An experienced service man who was very familiar with this location knew right off the bat that the belt was slipping on the air handler in the basement without even turning the light on. He knew where the light switch was too. This so was embarrassing. I always remember this lesson about a freezing situation and also try to have adequate lighting if I’m going to inspect evaporator system.
thanks for your video it really covered a lot of aspects very quickly but they are all important and will help me in the future.
Low Charge, low Airflow
All sounds good until you have to do it to an evaporator that is located in the dashboard of a car!
I would suggest you look into fast hair growth fortified shampoo.
Very helpful video. Thank you : )
You are an inspiration to those aspiring to be ac technicians and those that already are but want to be better ones! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience in this wonderful trade!!
I'm very grateful all the effort you put into these videos.
Always informative and interesting to watch. Another great video. Thank you.
step 1: defrost coil (Friday at 4 pm turn on heat until your high limit switch trips)
step 2: air flow
step 3:
step 4: Profit Service area Orleans??
There is one item you left out. A bad inside fan motor. It is very difficult to diagnose and for my Lenox system, very expensive. I have a two zoned system so staic pressure is difficult to read. I have had the motor go out three times. The last time I replaced the inside unit.
The fan motor would not run at full power but was undetectable. The symptoms were a rare coil freeze, extreme sweating on the outside of the indoor unit, and low indoor air humidity. The motors died in different ways. One died years later after an electrical problem where I lost one incomming electric leg. That later claimed the compressor too. Another just died and was how I determined it wasn’t. running full power. Another started vibrating because a coill was shorted.
In all cases the bad fan motor was hard to detect prior to failing completely. Any suggestions?
It freezes because the control is designed wrong
Great info. Tips. Thanks Bryan.
Setting thermostat too low?
I'm not educated in HVAC, but I remember multiple times at work the system freezing up and melting from the ductwork through the ceiling tiles.
The last ac tech that came to my house to check my ac unit moved the sensing bulb away from where it was so it is not attached to the evaporator exit. Is this ok? You have any idea why he might have done it? Is this harmful to my ac unit? It is about 13 years old but it has been working fine. This is not my regular ac tech. Thank you in advance for your professional opinion. Have a good day.
Yup, I needed a lot of pictures to watch this vid. But seriously, it is a very good vid.
Crank heat on, that melts it
We learned our condensation line was dripping under the house into our crawl space. In an already poor soil (Adobe western Colorado) we didn’t like all that moisture down into foundation. We had an evap line ran from the existing down to a pump that kicks on when it’s reservoir is full and pushes the water out a drain line away from foundation. Since having that installed by an AC guy, his idea actually, our coil froze up and the blower pushed so much air past the coil and it literally knocked the lower cover door off the unit. Is there a connection to this Evap line setup and this freeze possibly? Also have no idea how long it’s been since coil was cleaned. We bought in 2015. Had an ac service/tune up spring 2020. Dunno if they cleaned coil or not. I know they did not remove it. It’s manufactured home and model number for coil is
mbc48dqd. Coleman unit.
Thanks for any pointers.
Always great video. This one was chilling
1. Lack of Airflow
Plugged air filter / Dirty coil / vents shut / squirrel cage caked with debris bad blower motor.
2. Low on charge
3. Faulty metering device
4. Pressure drop across filter drier.
So, heat pumps suppose to freeze? Service area Barrhaven??
Just flip into heat thawed in minutes just make sure condensate isn’t clogged or you’ll flood the evap………. Are you in Kanata ?
1) use hair dryer to defrost
2) adjust freon level
done
Great video. Another thing to check is the evaporator blower motor. Is it seized? Does it get power? Bad Transformer?
Insufficient airflow. The cooling fins are clogged and dirty.
I find it to be a lot of noise. It could be everything. It's not a dirty filter
Question, I have told that the ducts need to be replaced to a larger size. I am DIY person. Generally, would increasing the size of the ducts by 2 inches resolve the issues? The system works fine now but I just wanted to get some info about the ducts. Thank you.
air flow air flow air flow
Fair warning- if a blower wheel has been dirty long enough, you can KO the motor once you put the full load of a clean wheel on it.
I just kick the heater on for a minute to defrost it. Is that bad?
It just needs a lil freezone in it
I found that lots of new HVAC texts are not that bright I found that 50% of evaporator freezing comes from oversized oversized
Excellent video a bit of rush but has the correct information, Thanks Service area Ottawa??
this channel Kicks ASS!!! Are you in Orleans ?
Thanks man.
This was a very good video