Bryan asks the all important question: What should the Air Delta T be?
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All right, this video is all about delta T now, Delta T isn't always called delta T. It's often called an air temp split or an air temperature split or just a temperature split, and it's the difference between the air temperature entering the evaporator coil. The temperature of the air itself entering the coil between that and the air leaving at the top of the coil now first mistake, often made in measuring a delta T, is that people will measure it in between a return vent inside the house or building and a Supply vent, an actual supply, diffuser register and the challenge there is is that you're not going to get an accurate reading, because you're gon na have duct losses the potential for duct leakage so to either suck in warm air on the return side and then also for Gains to the ductwork because of them running through a hot attic or a basement or whatever the case may be, or vice versa. If it's cold outside, then it could affect the ducts and negatively in that way.
So you can't test them at the registers inside and get a lot of accuracy unless they're very, very close to the equipment. The correct way to measure is directly above and below the evaporator coil, but enough distance away that there's proper air mixing and that the probe isn't in the line of sight of the evaporator coil so that it's not affected by the radiant heat. We've talked a lot about that in taking proper temperature measurements and when you're measuring air you have to have proper air mixing and you don't want that coil surface to be line-of-sight to that probe. So the way we often say, then the trade is you don't want? The cold surface or a hot surface, looking at a temperature probe because it will affect the measurement of the probe and the greater the mass of the probe.
The more likely it's going to affect that measurement. But regardless for as long as I can remember being in the trade one of the most common measurements, that a technician will take, is the delta T and so they'll take a pocket. Thermometer and they'll stick one in the return and it'll stick one in the supply and the old rule of thumb is you're. Looking for a 20 degree, split a 20 degree Delta, which is Delta, is just another term for difference.
In this case, it's a temperature difference. You're looking for that 20 degree Delta, that is not a good way of looking at temperature split, because there's so many different factors now. It is true that air temperature, splits Delta T's tend to hover around that 20 degrees own, but they can be anywhere from 14 to 23 in typical equipment and that's just typical equipment or you get into abnormal, and it can be all over the place, especially as We add in variable speed, blowers and, as we have different load conditions that affect the equipment. So let's talk about the differences here and why that is first off we're not just removing sensible heat in an air conditioner running in cooling mode.
So we're not just changing the temperature of the air, we're also in almost every market going to be condensing water on that of Aperta coil and that's called removing latent heat and so Layton. He doesn't show up in form of temperature. It doesn't change the temperature of the air another term, for it is hidden and just means latent me really means hidden. That heat is not going to change the temperature of the air, it's going to remove moisture from the air and that will affect your delta T. So as an example, if you have a higher relative humidity, you have greater moisture content in the air. Then you're gon na have more build up on the evaporator coil. Again, it's the difference between the dew point of that evaporator coil and the temperature of the air going over it. But as you get more water built up on that evaporator coil as it's removing more moisture, more of the work is going towards making water and less of it is going towards changing the air temperature, which means that when your error is more humid under all things Else being the same, your temperature split, your delta T, is going to decrease, and so, when you have very hot humid climates, where maybe the air conditioners been off for a long time, you may see splits that are all the way down.
14 15 degrees. Something like that, and that would be normal under those circumstances normal for the first reason, which is high humidity, more moisture on the coil means a lower split, but also higher, because when the system is operating outside of its normal operating conditions, especially when it's really hot Outside something like that, that can also affect the split so as the system capacity decreases and it will decrease, as the indoor temperature drops and/or as the outdoor temperature goes up. So higher outdoor temperatures and lower indoor temperatures result in lower system capacity. A lot of the rules of thumb that were used to only really work at 400 CFM per ton, which is very typical across the US and at 12,000 BTUs per ton.
Well, a lot of the equipment that we're installing is operating under conditions that are not going to produce 12,000 BTUs per ton, and that can be because the equipment right out of the box doesn't produce that. And then you add in the actual operating conditions. If you're running a system in Phoenix Arizona where it's 115 degrees outside, it is not going to produce the same capacity at 115 degrees that it doesn't 95 and it will produce potentially more capacity when it's warmer inside with a cooler outdoor temperature. So, just it's a sort of a reminder about how compressors work, but a lot of what we do in air conditioning is tied to the mass flow rate of the compressor.
How much refrigerant that thing can move and when you have higher compression ratios higher head, lower suction, that compressor can't move as much refrigerant. Therefore, you're not going to get as much capacity, so there is no chart out there. I'm going to show you a chart. Real quick, a typical delta T chart that takes into account the wet, bulb and dry bulb temperature of the return, air and you'll see those temperatures are all over the place as far as what your delta T will be, but that's just considering that one factor the One factor being changes in the return air humidity, but then we have two other moving parts. We have the capacity of the equipment at different load conditions like we talked about, and then we also have changing air flow. So when you have a variable speed system, you may have it the system designed to drop down to a lower output when it's in dehumidification mode. We do this a lot in Florida, and so you can't trust it when it's in dehumidification mode. You can't trust Delta.
T when the system is staged down, so if it's a multi-stage equipment and it's not running full speed now you can't trust delta T and so there's just all these factors in general, all things being the same higher delta T tells you that you have lower air Flow, so look at delta. T is essentially a ratio between a couple different things: mass flow rate of the compressor when the compressor moves more refrigerant, your delta T is gon na tend to be higher. So when your system capacity is higher, your delta T will tend to be higher when your system capacity is lower, your delta T will tend to be lower. If everything else stays the same, then you can all next look at air flow.
If you have higher air flow with everything else, working properly, you're gon na have a lower delta T. If you have lower air flow, you're gon na have a higher delta T, then you look at return. Air humidity, if the humidity in the space and therefore going over that of a protocol from the return, is higher. Then more of that energy is going to go to removing moisture you're gon na have a lower delta T.
If the relative minute in this space is lower, then you're gon na have a higher delta T. But you have to know all three of those things to make sense of it, so you can't just take a delta T and say: oh 20 degrees, we're good. You could have a 20 degree delta T and the system may not be working properly at all, because your target may be 23 or 24 or you may have a 20 degree delta T and your target may be 15 and it's actually assigned a very low airflow. So there's a lot of different factors there and delta T is only one of many measurements that you take and taken together can tell you if the system is working but taken by itself, really cannot tell you whether or not the systems working properly.
Now, when you use modern tools like the field piece, JobLink probes with the field piece, job link app or with the measure quick, app now they're going to recalculate on their own, what's your target delta T is and measure quick. Does a neat thing weird actually adjust for normalized system capacity based on the conditions, the equipment's working on, and it can also kind of estimate the airflow. So it's gon na do a better job of finding that target for you, because it's factoring in all three of those factors versus just looking at one and or in the case of the rule of thumb, just saying 20 degrees. That's just not enough. One side crowded in the return a supply will supply dry-bulb. Now there are sort of like Universal charts out there. That will help. You calculate your target delta T, but in this case, because I have a variable speed unit, I have lower air flow per ton.
This is a 2-ton unit, and so you can still see that I'm on the high side of my target temperature split, but my target is showing as 20.8 because measure quick is normalizing for system capacity, given current conditions, whereas most of the universal ones are figuring. 400. Cfm per ton, they're figuring, you know kind of standard operating conditions and and with this piece of equipment, it's not going to produce the same capacity at in real field conditions as it would under some under standard operating conditions. So they or certainly not going to just per to produce 24,000 BTUs and that's why target delta T calculators can be quite a challenge.
So you can see in this particular case we're in dehumidifier mode. So the air handlers running lower blower speed, which is why we're seeing this current value on our delta T that's higher than even what measure quick is assuming it's, because we are running lower than normal air flows. This is why, as AC technicians, we often get frustrated, for example, with private home inspectors who will go out and they'll shoot a grill with with a laser thermometer with a infrared thermometer and they'll, say well that air is just not cold enough. Well, first off! That's not the place to take the temperature, that's not the tool to take it with, because infrareds are very affected by the acidity of the surface that you're shooting in the distance that you're shooting from and then finally, even saying 20 degrees is kind of a baseline.
That's just good enough unless you happen to know that all conditions are normal, the systems operating normally, then. At that point it can be an indication, but it's a poor indicator at best. Hopefully that helps we'll catch you in the next video.
If you raise fan speed will it lower humidity?
Great job and video like always Service area Nepean??
really informative about the different variables behind varying delta T on Evap. Thank you
Often with chillers we play with the condenser water temperature to gain capacity beyond design. HVAC is no different. If itโs hot outside beyond design you lose capacity but if itโs cool outside you gain capacity. Thatโs why coil misters on the condenser can truly help for a undersized unit. Are you in Nepean ?
Great video. Thanks. One question. With all of those variables (humidity in particular) how can coils be rated with a fixed percentage of sensible, and latent capacity? I could see how they could be rated for a maximum of latent heat that it could absorb, but I can't understand how it can operate at a fixed percentage, when the conditions change. Would a coils sensible/latent rating affect the target Delta T?
I've had that a few times where the inspector said that the delta t wasn't good enough. They just shoot the grill with a temp gun.
and the rule of thumb nowadays:
get yourself fieldpice probes.
Thanks for the video, helps me understand the science behind the work
I just want my HVAC system fixed. A building inspector said that the delta T was too low. A repairman said I need the thermo expansion valve replaced for $1300. Many other contractors turned down the job or simply did not have enough knowledge to repair the problem. What do I do???
Top of the line info. Just that you speak very fast…
Yes in my experience an infrared thermometer is waaaay inaccurate when aiming at a vent…
The delta T depends on the entering air enthalpy, not just the entering air temperature. In some instance humidity, which is latent heat, can be most of the load, and will have an effect on the actual temperature split. The more humidity in the return air, the lower the temperature split will be. This is the reason we always measure the indoor entering wet bulb temperature.. Most equipment is not capable of producing more than 80% of its rated capacity, if the load is all sensible, as the manufacturers figure an 80% sensible heat ratio. And assume at least 20% latent heat.
Nice and informative.
Can you make something about temperature approach (condenser temperature approach and evaporator temperature approach)
Thanks
In a normal system, anything over 20 is an air flow problem. I like to see 15-20ยฐ Delta T on a cool home, with 75-85ยฐ outdoor. Anything under 15ยฐ is a concern and potentially a dirty condenser.
I love you Bryan, but you seriously need to talk s-l-o-w-e-r ๐ It's too much, too quick for a newbie to take in all at once! A great teacher once told me… "Tell them what you'll teach them, teach them, then tell them what you taught them." Gives it time to sink in. It works!
Awesome
Great info but a little to quick on explaining some of the reasoning behind delta T. As with any calculations mass flow rate or even net refrigeration effect it takes some time for people to absorb the info.
What about getting readings from a package unit
I think I understand this. If I don't have the fieldpiece tool and app that you are hawking I can't really check delta T ! I will be looking at your videos with more skepticism.
My house has two floors. Upstair I got about 20 delta T; but downstair I got about 10 for delta T; so I wonder what is going on with downstair.
Love the video format, with the words nice and big right there, highlighting the details of your lesson. Brilliant technique. I am retaining the info easier.
What about for mini splits? Can I calc the temp split by simple return and supply readings then, since no duct loss or anything?
Dude, that was sweet!! Thanks for being there for all of us.
That was EXCELLENT. I am a homeowner who has taken the bull by the horns and started to work on and understand my own system better. We live in the challenging hot humid environment of New Orleans in a large (8,300 sq ft) old Victorian home built in 1895. It has been retrofitted with central HVAC and runs 6 units total (two twin systems and two independent). It has been a challenge finding qualified and trustworthy technicians. With some refrigeration background from our previous family business, a little common sense, a lot of reading, and now YOUR VIDEOS, I have been able to fine-tune and get my systems operating better than ever. Thank you so much!!!
Explain the use of LRA SIR THANKS
This is absolutely the best explanation of Delta T that I have ever seen or heard. I've understood the whole high humidity less Delta T thing for about a year, but your explanation stating (paraphrasing) "The higher the indoor humidity, the more energy is put toward removing it "making water" and less energy toward lowing air temperature" is priceless. Back a year or so ago when I started my self education journey about HVAC, I had trouble wrapping my head around the whole humidity thing for a bit, but if I would have watched this video back then, I would not have had trouble getting it at all. From a newcomer, newbie, apprentice, student perspective this video is awesome. Thank you and keep up the great work. People like you that freely give back to the community (and the trade) are rare and very much appreciated.
Home inspectors during a real estate inspection use delta T 20 degrees like itโs law.
Very nice explanation but only talk a bit slower so we can follow up what you say pls.
Do you ever encounter duct condensation issues when a system is running in dehumidification mode or if airflow is set to something lower than 400 cfm/ton? The scenario being lower airflow causing lower supply air temperatures which in turn creates colder ductwork that may cause the ductโs surface temperature to fall below the dew point?
I was told in a manufacturer's class that subcooling and superheat are not applicable in VRF systems. Would you make a video explaining your troubleshooting of VRF systems? Service area Barrhaven??
Really informative, thank you!
Still, it seems like a simple delta t measurement can at least alert you if something is seriously wrong and you need to dig carefully in to the system? If it's hot / humid inside, "about" 15 is in the ballpark, and if the system has been on, "about" 20 is also in the ballpark. Or am I being naive thinking that way?
Other day I swapped an outdoor unit. Had 16 degrees split on a 3ton American standard heat pump. 70 degrees inside. 81 outside but holy hell it was soooooo muggy that morning. At 1030am when I was done, prolly 75% humidity, if not more.
Solid lesson again Bryan. Thank you.
Hey great video, can you make a video on why an ahu sweats excessively, for example tons of water in the e pan. I have found it could be from dehumdification settings set too low, a break on the iceining insulation causes more humidity, dirty evap coil, speed tap too high on blower motor, but sometimes although I check all of those I still get stumped. Can we get a video on all the possible things that can cause excess condensation on the ahu and supply plenum. Thanks, love your content, made me a better tech all around Service area Ottawa??
Brian, Do the Fieldpiece Job Link Pros adjust for altitude and provide Btus of enthalpy for pound of dry air? Meeting the parameters you outlined and adjusting for altitude, I take db and wb of return air and db and wb of supply air and I verify superheat at outdoor unit per manufactures specs. , I monitor system for 6.7 Btus of enthalpy for pound of dry air.
Great information on delta and can see this is true on many of my service call videos.
I used the technician test mode in variable speed unit. Thank you for the video
Really good concise explanation to try to help in dispelling the myths of Delta T Service area Kanata??
I wanna be like you when I grow up! Great video! Are you in Ottawa ?
Great info and presentation as usual. But talk just a bit slower so the listener has a chance to absorb your statements. Thx. Are you in Orleans ?
FANTASTIC video, Thank You.
Thanks for the information. It helps!