A quick way to remember dew point and bubble point that you won’t forget to make it easier to work with refrigerant blends.
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Hey this quick video is on a topic that I've already talked about a few times, but the reason why I'm doing this video is because I received a comment I think it was on Facebook. I haven't been able to relocate it, but where somebody criticized me rightfully so, because they said that I missed out on the best way to remember the relationship between super heat, subcooling, dew, point and bubble point. But before I give you the secret, I want to first remind you what dew point bubble point are so first off. If you don't already have the refrigerant slider app by Danfoss, I would suggest that you download that so that you can follow along with exactly what I'm doing, but I'm gon na use our 22 and our 4:07 sea as ways of demonstrating this.

So if you take a look at our 22 on the refrigerant slider app and you plug in 68, point 5, 4, psi or 40 degrees, saturation you'll see the two correlates. So sixty eight point: five four psi correlates to 40 degrees Fahrenheit and on the refrigerant slider app you can see up top next to choose refrigerant. There is no option for switching between dew and bubble, so that can't be changed. The reason is is because r22 is a single component refrigerant, and so it does not have any Glide.

So it is what is known as an azeotropic refrigerant. It has no Glide. Now really an azeotrope would be a blend that has no Glide. R22.

Is a single component, so it has no Glide, so don't get the terms confused there, but its glide less. It's got no Glide right. You look at something like r410a r410a. If you take a look here, it only has point 1 degrees of glide at 40 degree and at 40 degree of Aperta quote between dew and bubble point.

But let's talk about what do in bubble point are so imagine that you're looking at on the horizon - and you have the ocean down below and you have the sky up above. That line that thin line would be what we would call the saturation line and that's the line at which, if the refrigerant is boiling or condensing changing state from vapor to liquid, it will be at that temperature. So long as the pressure is the same now, unlike a horizon, that's always at atmospheric pressure generally about 14.7 PSI, a is atmospheric pressure within an air conditioning system that pressure changes, and so again this metaphor isn't perfect, but it just gives you a way to envision That line when we say saturation, that is the line where refrigerant is changing state and that temperature remains the same. So it's a thin thin line just like a risin line.

Now, if you have a zeotropic refrigerants, the atrophic means that it has glide. That would be something like our 407 C that we're gon na use here in the example now there's this range and that's represented by the fog so now, instead of there being just a line of the horizon now the horizon is represented by a fog in between The ocean and the sky - and so it's not when it's in the fog, it's all in saturation, it's all changing State, but it changes state from a range. It starts off at bubble point which is a lower temperature, and then it slowly works its way up to dew point, and so, when you have refrigerant going into an evaporator coil, it starts off at bubble point in this case, you can see that it is a Lower temperature than the dew point, so in the case of our 407 C, which is the example that we're using here, you can see that it starts off at bubble. Point at twenty eight point: nine degrees, if you're using 63.8 PSI, that's pretty low, we're just gon na use this as an example, because then, when you, by the time you get to do, which is forty degrees, but by the time you get to the end of The evaporator coil, which is dew point at that point when it's fully boiling off when it's just that last little bit of vapor now it's at forty degrees.
So if you want a 40 degree outlet on your evaporator coil, then you would have to have a twenty eight point. Nine degree Inlet on your evaporator coil. That's that range! That's that range of saturation when you have glide on a blend refrigerant, which is what we call azeotropic refrigerant on for 10a. Well, it's only that little tiny amount.

We call that a near azeotrope, so that means that it's near has nearly no Glide at all, and so we're used to working in air conditioning with r22 and then with 410 a so, we haven't used a lot of glide. Now, when you go into a lot of these blends or a lot of the modern refrigerants you're starting to find more glide, so you have to learn how to deal with that. So you have the temperature that it starts boiling at and then you have the temperature that it ends boiling at. But here's how you can remember, which is used for sub cooling, which is used for superheat very easy.

So it's Bubba cool bubble. Point is used for sub cool, so all you have to do is remember. Bubba cool dew point is used for superheat, so all you have to remember is duper heat de W per heat. So it's like super heat, but duper hate V.

At the point, all right now, that's the those were the words that were given to me in the comments. It really is a great way to remember it, and so, if you're ever working with the refrigerant blend and you're having to measure superheat use dewpoint to measure sub cool, you use bubble point and that's easy to remember, because it's Bubba cool and / he'd and just Remember that that Glide is like having a wider horizon. It's that boiling or condensing temperature is now a band, unlike a single component refrigerant or an azeotrope, where that is just a single line. A single point at which that condensing temperature or boiling temperature occurs at that pressure.

Hopefully that makes sense. Remember Bob cool and duper heat thanks for watching.

25 thoughts on “Bubcool and dewperheat (bubble and dew point explained)”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fatimah•✿♡)):) says:

    Sir, Thank you very much for explanation. Now I understand

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard Murry says:

    Best explanation I have ever heard. Thank you

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mir Aqueel Ali says:

    Good explanation

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Codey b says:

    why does this seem backwards? bubcool and dewperheat? isnt dew point measured on the condenser side and bubble point measure on the evaporator side? dew point is when humidity is at 100% right? when it condenses? and bubble point is when it starts to vaporize? like in the evaporator? I'm so confused.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars stan1488 says:

    good job

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars per simonsen says:

    Would be graet if it was done automatic on your manifold. Dew on suction, bubble on high side.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars per simonsen says:

    The explanation with the horizon, was really good. Service area Nepean??

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Craig Sherman says:

    Thank you for a great video. I have a question that I could not find the answer to in the book. I found a couple of recovery cylinders at my work that have refrigerant in them. The first was a no-brainer – it was R22 and matched up perfectly to the PT chart. The other is an R22 substitute. When trying to match it up using the slider app, do I use DEW or BUBBLE point to match it up? I think the correct answer is Bubble, which pretty much makes it look like R422D, but I am not sure. We used to have three R22 chillers and I know at some point one of them was retrofitted with a "drop in replacement" while the other two were still on original R22. All three have since been replaced. Thanks in advance for your help.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars realvanman1 says:

    That's an interesting material property. At first glance it would seem that glide would materially decrease the thermodynamic efficiency of a refrigeration system in the same manner that superheat does, and would thus be an undesirable trait…

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jean Abrea says:

    nice video bryan. looking for more of your video. i hope it also has a r404a im having a trouble with that refrigiration especially on the suction line temperature. Are you in Ottawa ?

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Derek Mc says:

    Awesome analogy. 😎👍

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jarren Wilcox says:

    Great video, choosing HVAC as a career path i'm sure you're surprised English is not a strong point. You make it easy to get it from brain to mouth. Will show every Tech.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pat Dwyer says:

    BubCOOL and DuperHEAT Are you in Barrhaven ?

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Andrew Hicks says:

    Great video Brian, I steal your ways of explaining things a lot and it really helps some of our younger guys out. Could you do a long video on non-invasive testing? I read your article, but I would like to see it on like a sealed, self contained refrigeration system because I would like to start doing it and possibly showing some of our other guys so they can do it on tune-ups and such so they quit instantly going for their gauges. Service area Kanata??

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars trebrehenuf says:

    crystal clear

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars itsme says:

    Dew point for the wet line (suction line)
    Bubble for the line with bubbles (liquid line)

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brahim abdelsadek says:

    nice video.but i suffer to understand your english.it'so fast but charming one.good luck

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Adam Hamilton says:

    Sub- bub and Super-dew. So we just keep measuring temp and pressure at the service valves just like always but make sure we are referencing dew point when measuring superheat at suction line and bubble point when measuring subcool at liquid line?

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ReThink HVAC says:

    Love it. Keep on keeping on

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars aliso 1882 says:

    Since some are picking gnat droppings out of pepper, Lets keep PSIA and PSIG in their proper place (a pressure point). Also remember oh is a letter and zero is a number. Greg as always thanks for your excellent information. Perhaps some day you can do a teach on HVAC and metaphysics. Thanks again.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars DrD0000M says:

    Bubcool and Dewperheat, the newest Pokemon?

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mr Green says:

    Yes i really need this info.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The Freeman says:

    Power Factor next? In depth on PSC motors would be great too.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Guess the castle? says:

    Very good explanation, Thank You!

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars marty maness says:

    Makes sense to me!

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