Goodman, manufacturer of an array of HVAC equipment and products, has a reputation. We go through the pros and cons of installing Goodman products in your home.
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Hey guys before we get to today's video for more heating and air and plumbing tips, click that subscribe button. Thank you: hey guys, Joshua Griffin, air serving the middle Peninsula and the Northern Neck of Virginia, and I wanted to do a video on the Goodman product line. I got a Goodman heat pump here and wanted it go through some good and the bad and all the in-between, and what I think that you should consider if you're looking at Goodman as the choice for your next heating and air system and so Goodman's been around. For a little while now just a little quick history on them, Goodman used to actually be a company called janitrol before a mr.
Goodman, the guy that actually started Goodman got into the manufacturing industry and he bought them out and moved on Houston and today, they're actually Owned by Dyken, which is the largest manufacturer market, share wise in the United States and in the world, and so why does that matter? I think. Ultimately it says something about the longevity. You know you're you're, not gon na make it that far unless you're doing at least something right. So a couple things with Goodman and I think Goodman would even say this about themselves, and that is they are.
I would call more of the Ford or Chevrolet of the industry versus say you know they're, you know they're, not a Mercedes. You know like some of the other brands. Try to be they. You know they try to pride themselves on not having any bells and whistles or any of the extras.
I don't even think they make an inverter system. Yet I could be wrong on that, but I think, as the making of this video they're, you know they're starting to get into some communicating technology, but they don't even have a true inverter system. Yet they do have variable speed, air handlers and all that good stuff and what they you know. What they've tried to do is become the company that is more about reliability and less about the bells and whistles you know, so they don't have a lot of the other.
You know fancy things that some of the other manufacturers have, but what they do have is a good warranty and good equipment. So that's that's kind of the good stuff. I guess now. Let's talk about the bad because they have gotten a little bit of a reputation.
If you're not aware in the industry - and I think you know, there's a reason for that and I think ultimately it boils down to who installs it and I you know, I'm sure everybody says they're great, oh yeah, we do the job top notch and what we Find that one of almost a daily basis is, you know, somebody went with the quote-unquote cheap guy and then they wish they didn't. You know so you know we've put in a bunch of Goodman's and when we put them in, we don't hear back from customers in a good way. But at the same time we've gone behind other companies that have installed a Goodman and had tons of issues. Because of the installation, so why does that give Goodman a bad name? Well, unlike some of the other brands, Goodman has made their brand very accessible. They you know they don't restrict, who can install their equipment? Now they may say they do, but they don't. This proof is in the pudding: we've got suppliers that you could be any Tom, Dick or Harry that come off the street and they'll sell you a Goodman system. They won't sell you a lot of the other brands, but they will sell you a Goodman, and so that's that's part of it. I think you know, I think the reason they've gotten the reputation that they have is you know all again.
We've installed them. I think they're a great brand if they're installed properly they're they're more of what I would call a builder-grade. You know competing with some of those other brands that are all about. You know making a system at bottom dollar costs, but because of the the accessibility of being able to buy them online being able to go to a supplier and buy them.
That's really hurt the reputation in my opinion. So what does this matter to you? Well, I would say this: if you're considering Goodman for your next home installation, I would say you need to do your homework on who's going to install it, and you know, don't have some stand in a van, that's what we call them. You know just folks that you know they're not a licensed and insured heating and air company. That's gon na.
Do it right. You know a Griffin air. I've got guys they've been doing this, their entire adult life. This is not something they do on the side for beer money.
This is something that they've hung their hat on. They've made a career of it, and it's something that you can be sure of. If we install your system, it's gon na be right and you're not gon na have any issues. So I could say that confidently, because it we've done it time after time.
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Goodmans are like Chevrolets…parts are available. You're correct!
Being in this HVAC trade for over 20 years and seeing every brand available I am glad to say that Goodman equipment is garbage! Always has been and always will be! Shame on anyone who believes they are “good” units and shame on anyone who pushes their brand.
can you recommend any installers for cary, nc?
While I agree with you that there is a big problem with anyone being able to buy and install Goodman, I can't stand behind their brand. Thier older models were better and more reliable but the stuff they sell now is complete junk. This coming from a tech who has to make repairs on a daily bases. Here is a short list of regular problems I find with these units that have nothing to do with installation:
High and or low voltage shorts in heat pump models that often cause loss of refrigerant charge due to arc.
BTU output problems even after verifying air flow, metering devices, and weighed in charge.
Refrigerant leaks on top of the condenser coils because of small diameter tubing and flimsy construction with the fan top. Melted fan relay boards inside air handlers. Having to remove the entire blower assembly just to check a capacitor which often results in techs skipping it. Refrigerant leaks on the evaporater coil process stub. All around poor access to any internal component. Let's not forget about the refrigerant burn from the crappie pressure taps, especially on the package units. The list goes on. Sure other manufacturers have thier share of problems but I absolutely despise this product and advise any homeowner who is going to use a licensed contractor to ask for alternatives. There are reduced priced versions of better manufacturers like Arco air(Carrier) or Run tru(Trane).
We have an old ac unit, 19 years old, we had fan motor go out, and I just had a hose freeze, turns out filter was dirty after a month, and it was a tad low on both hoses, I was looking on what size we need for 1200 sq feet, looks like 2 ton, 1 ton for 600 sq feet, good makes 2.5 ton.
Goodman condenser clogged. Tech cut open the point where the larger pipe reduces to smaller and found 5 prices of circular copper discs stacked inside it. Called goodman, they don't want anything to do with it.
Hold the damn camera still!!! Making me sea sick! Service area Kanata??
I've purchased my last 3 systems from online wholesalers selling Goodman. I've only done the easy part of ductwork. I have used a good tech to do the technical work as it's not something you want as this guy states… Get someone with this as his lifetime trade to do your work. I have had no problems with the 3 systems I have had installed by a professional HVAC technician.
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My first home (purchased in 1990) had an old Janitrol system which was in place for nearly 40 years. It was still running fine when I replaced it. Problem was more with the A-Coil smelling musty and we were putting the home up for sale, so we replaced it.
100 percent true! Homeowner here. Had a Goodman installed 7 years ago to replace the system at that time. The NEW unit had a really bad compressor bang on startup. Had installer come out muliple times to resolve. After about the third time out, he told us that was the way it worked. He stopped taking our calls. So we lived with it until we hired another service company. Not sure what they did, but no more banging on startup.
Did u say Tom hairy dck?
Thanks for demystifying the reputation issues around Goodman. I had never heard of them until I needed to replace my 30 year old Rheem along with an old Quattro furnace–now obsolete. I'm also glad folks commented on your video to share their positive experiences with Goodman brand. We'll see how it goes! Thanks again for being authentic and real with your post!
I'm finding out by several HVAC sources that the new HVAC products will not last as long as previous makes. I have to laugh at this idea especially when the manufactures are selling 10 year and lifetime warranties. Are they all planning on going out of business by then? Not likely so, why are techs saying after 15 years expect to replace them? I have a 30 year old 4 ton Amana R22 SEER 10 that has its original R22 charge and not once has needed a run capacitor or a fan motor. It just runs and runs. Maybe because we keep it clean and away from leaves, dirt and weather? The day it needs changed, we'll be looking for a 20 SEER long before considering any expensive solar panels.
The biggest complaint I have with HVAC quotes are the price is not broken down, at all. Just one final figure of XYZ so the customer cannot tell if most of the cost is in the hardware, fabraications or in labor. I cannot give my business to anyone who cannot break it down to materials, labor and anything custom that's quoted. This is what turns the customer in a very sour way as they aren't getting a real quotation on whats being done other than make, model, size and total cost which hides all of the other costs. No one gets a full description of what is being contracted. I know of licensed house painters who give better quotes to give more understanding of what is happening within the contract to the job. Service area Orleans??
I'm a bit more north in PA, and looking at Amana (which I think is the same as goodman) and wanted your thoughts. Was looking at the AMCV96 Furnace and ASX16 Air Conditional paired with the TXV-60 coil; any thoughts or recommendations. Thanks. Are you in Nepean ?
I had a buddy that dog cussed Goodman. Said everyone in their neighborhood had problems. Well the same contractor put them all in so that should have told him something. Ha. My house is 17 years old and the gas furnace is a Goodman. I've owned the house for 6 years and I haven't had a problem with it. Oddly enough the outside a/c unit is a Rheem and it's the original unit too. Not sure why the contractor went with different brands….perhaps cost. The Rheem will need to be replaced soon tho. The contractor I've used over the years have a good reputation. They primarily install Goodman and Bryant. They say there is really not one brand better than another but they do like Goodman because parts are easier to come by.
So true, I have a Goodman HVAC unit, having issues, 4 days after the warranty expired… I did not call the installers, I tackled this job myself when I started poking around at the install… Talk about a piss poor job! The reason I was having issues to begin with! Not Goodman, the HVAC outfit that installed it. As far as Goodman, the parts are easy to find, and the units are easy to work on.
The installer, I have nothing good to say, and they are still in business, licensed and insured. The crap alone I discovered under the electrical tape… I will fix it myself, warranty or no warranty. If they would have done the job properly the first time… They are not coming back in my house, and they damn sure are not going to get any more of my business. I should have been an HVAC tech, I would own the company by now.
I bought a new Goodman 16 seer system in 2015 and new air handler no problems love this system get a reputable installer.
In 2011, I replaced my (2) 47 yo systems with 2 Goodman 2.5 ton 12 SEER units…from circuit breakers to cutoffs, to air handlers, etc…everything. I had 3 modifications made: Larger filter boxes, TXVs and sight glasses with moisture detectors installed. Otherwise the systems were as simple as possible…single stage, no WiFi controls, etc. I watched the installations VERY carefully (I have a license) and the tech did a very good job. This is absolutely CRITICAL! There is only ONE way to do a system installation and each of many small details is vitally important to longevity. MANY installations are not correctly done and failures result. Unfortunately they are often attributed to the equipment. Consumers simply don't know. As to "maintenance", I do nothing at all except keep the area around the condensers clean, check the condenser coils to be sure that air flows freely ( do not use harsh cleaners and NEVER chlorine around any aluminum coils). I never allow "annual checkups" or any such things. I do check supply and return temps as general indicators of function. That's it. If I could change anything about the systems I have it would be thicker steel for the cases. However they show no signs of wear. They sit on isolators to protect them from contact with the concrete pad. If you want added "insurance" for your systems, keep a spare start/run capacitor handy so you won't become a victim of "cap bandits".
Goodman products suck. Their coils leak left and right, and rust like you wouldn't believe. The housing on their evaporators rust, and so do the screws on the housing. The only decent component in Goodman products is the Copeland compressor, the rest of the unit is garbage. I have been burned by Goodman twice already, never again.
Looking for good hvac company to buy and install a attic air handler. Do you have any advice where to look for a reputable company? Im in the Dallas, Tx area.
100% correct installation and maintenance is priority . i'm no pro but i'm a construction contractor that installed my own 2.5 heat pump r22 unit and same unit on my brothers house over 25 years ago , both systems . they are running great still and over the years i've only replaced the run capacitors on both. Service area Ottawa??
Installed a 5-ton Goodman unit 12 years ago and have not had any issues. The compressor is a little loud, that’s all.
I agree with what you said about the installers. After I bought a house, I became concerned about its Goodman heat pump. It seems to be hammering. I called a reputable HVAC firm to have it checked out. My suspicion proved correct. There was too much freon, I was told, probably because is shipped with extra (which is OK), and the installer did not bleed that off.
I'd love to hear your advice about how to extend the life of heat pumps. For cooling, for instance, I run mine first thing in the morning when it is still cool out. I chill my house a bit extra by letting it run continuously rather than going on and off. Then I cut it off and let my home coast through the heat of mid-day. For that it helps to have good insulation.
Goodman keeps prices competitive, and anyone can buy which some HVAC don't like, so when someone asks about Goodman they diss on it to keep prices high. Its like windows installers diss on big box store windows because their half price. My Goodman is 24 years old and only had the capacitor go out twice.
Goodman is the biggest piece of trash in existence, my heating and air guy convinced me it was a good product. So he installs a 16 seer heat pump. Had a 10 seer Lennox. You will save money on your electric bill, he says. Same size unit 2 and a half tons. Electric bill doubles, set at 73 in winter house falls to 55, in summer temperature goes up to 81 on average some days it is 83. Goodman will not do anything he has been back 6 times. If you value your sanity, do not buy Goodman
Had a Goodman install by a reputable dealer last year. Thermal expansion valve has failed and its been week and two days and they still cant get the part. I see all the comments about his unit but for a valve to fail this early and trouble getting the part has me VERY skeptical about this unit.
I live in us 1400 square-foot home may be a little under and System is a trane heat pump and the air handler in the attic I think is original 1985 I moved in the house early June 2001 the outside unit it’s also trane 1998. I’ve had to replace the capacitor wants the outside unit and two blowers on the air handler I think all of this has reached its end of life because the power bill is going up and it does not cool as well or heat quite as well and I’ve had to get recharged Freon r 22 A couple of times and it needs it again a part-time installer or AC guy who was recommended to me by my uncle told me that my system was shot and it needs to be replaced. Financially it has been so tough and I’m scared to death at what it’s going to cost and being able to afford it to replace the system he gave me a price of $6800 for a goodman and $7200 for a oxbox. Obviously the Goodman it’s cheaper but I’m not so sure on the reliability since this trane lasted for so long. The Goodman warranty is 10 years and I think the oxbox is seven years which is made by trane. He says he can’t get the trane. i’m just not sure about this guy. My unit outside is it XE 1000 and I’d like to get something a little more efficient he claims that a 14 seer Goodman would be much more efficient with colder air during the summer and warmer air during the winter. I mentioned about the multi speed systems and he said don’t bother just get the multi speed air handler. Any opinions and suggestions would be welcome. Are you in Barrhaven ?
This information is VERY accurate! I remember the old "Junk a troll", when Goodman took over they went from the worse to the Best. In the Houston area where it gets not just Hot, but Humid too. The Goodman are strong as a rock, and the 95 percent gas furnace is so toasty warm in the winter, with a Lifetime warranty on the heat exchanger, and a dual speed fan. WOW, Goodman is awesome and i have used for 30 years, with excellent comfort.
Can you elaborate on the installation that’s caused bad system
I have a house built 1959 1,200 square feet and the technician told me that for my house I need a 4-ton unit.
Not in Florida you have to be a licensed contractor to be able to buy a air conditioner. Back in the day we in the trade called them Janet junk. Yes your right it has a lot to do with the install. I sell Rheem as my low end system. Lennox is my high end i try to stay away from Trane and Carrier they are not the same as they used to be.
i was interested in your guide. is there an update to one dated 2012?
According to Consumers Laboratories Goodman is the worst air conditioner on the market it is many times more likely than anything else to breakdown it has many built-in flaws including the pickle dryer that clogs every 3 years and you have to pay somebody $1,000 to undo it .it is the worst air conditioner on the market and any contractor who sells it sells it because it's half the price of everything else but is he giving you his customer a good deal. Goodman is Goodman and a reliable air conditioner only cost about 10% more. The bulk of the cost of your installation is the time it takes to do it not to Brand you buy so you may as well buy a more reliable one.
Thank you for not being a robot and reading a script. I have had one installed her in TX for a few years and knew nothing about them. Thanks Service area Barrhaven??
You suck bro, all you talk about was you, I didn’t hear any reviews on the unit…
Trying to get my 4 ton to operate on high stage cool, legacy mode, only works on low stage, any videos on wiring instructions
Just subscribed,good video,you said exactly what i tell all my customers,it realy comes down to who installs it,ive installed a ton of goodmans and never had any issues,i say the same the thing they get a bad name because they sell to anybody
This is great stuff I wish I knew a year ago. I have had a headache with a goodman for the last year and I suspect the installation was bad somehow. Knowing the installer only sells Goodman told me a lot I wish I knew before
I just don’t understand why they use such cheap capacitors it seems they only last 5 to 8 years . I know others use the same but if the customer does not turn it off I have had compressor fail
Heat pumps are traditionally dogs no?
Ok Are you in Ottawa ?
Goodman sells a High Efficiency Heat Pump/AC unit with inverter technology. GVZC20 or GVXC20 with SWING compressor (Daikin tech…5 ton AC unit uses Scroll) with heavy gauge galvanized steel cabinet. Their communicating technology (ComfortBridge) is built into the furnace/air handler allowing one to use a standard thermostat. Lifetime compressor limited warranty (for as long as you own your home). Are you in Kanata ?
At the end of the day the brand doesn't really matter that much is the person that installs it that can make or break a system.
Goodman SUCKS ! PERIOD…Thinner metal and Leaking Condenser Coils ….Stick with Carrier Products. Are you in Orleans ?
Really bad luck with IPC . Rheem / Ruud shorty AH coils are thin Trane / carrier / Lenox complex circuit cards . GOODMAN tiny basic circuit card that can be rheemed out if need be . The ECM motor has the delay cycle in it. Price point can buy 2 for one in some case's and they all are 10 year if registered online.
Do you install in MD?
What do you like, Goodman 3 ton heat pump or Träne. 16 seer 2 stage