This was a service call on a walk in freezer drain that was leaking water all over the floor, I found that the drain line had frozen and split in several sections, i replaced the entire drain, heater and re insulated it.
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So today, we're here working on a walk-in freezer and the complaint is, is that they've got ice all over the floor. So super nice in this corner we've got a giant puddle of ice. My assumption is, and we're gon na pull this insulation off. That we've got a broken drain line with a busted drain line heater.

It doesn't sound like it's frozen, but we're gon na go through it and try to figure this out. So my assumption is that's here in this corner, because we've got a large accumulation of ice and unless this floor was extremely unlevel, it could be dripping over here and running this way. But I don't think that's the case. So I think that we've got a busted drain line right here, because if you look up to the top of the walk and it's not coming from, there doesn't look like it's coming from the drain: pan.

Okay, so we pulled off the insulation and look at what we found right in the corner where we thought it was going to be so. It looks like the drain was plugged up. It's actually not plugged up right now, though, so that's interesting, so we're gon na get this thing repaired and then I don't care if this heater is good or not, we're gon na go ahead and replace this heater door to it just to be safe, because we Don't want to have to come back on this, we'll inspect the rest of the pipe and see we may just replace that section right there more than likely and obviously get a water hose on this and blow this drain out. Okay, so we pulled all the insulation off we're gon na go ahead and redo this whole drain line, because we found several breaks in it.

If you follow it, we're looking okay here, but once we come down here, we've got this break. There's another break. There's another break over here like it's just multiples, there's one down there, so it's gon na be easier for us just to cut this drain line and redo it all we'll put a new heater on it. Like I said, and then the trick is that we're gon na take as this is a three quarter inch drain line, we're gon na take ancient and 8id insulation, and it's gon na fit perfectly over this and seal perfectly over the drain line heater.

Instead of trying to wrap three-quarter inch insulation so we'll get that going right now, so we're gon na start just demoing this. If we tried to just repair the pieces, it would take us longer and also this drain. Peter has memory in it now, there's been wrapped. So long so when we try to rewrap it, it's just going to be a nightmare, so we just I brought all new stuff.

So so we got the drain line all taken out, and this is what we're finding once we get over here. It's actually frozen right into here too. So what we're gon na do is go ahead and drill a big enough hole through the wall that our insulation can actually run through, or at least the heater can run through and we'll wrap the heater all the way through into the walk-in cooler here, a foot Or so this is a walk-in cooler over here and that's our drain line coming through right there. So we're gon na make it big enough to where the heaters can actually come through.
So we're just getting ready to pipe this. We did our best to get the ice up off the floor and then we went ahead and drilled the hole big enough. We're not gon na push the insulation through the wall, but we drilled it big enough to where we can push the whole drain line through the wall with the heater around it and then we'll connect it on the other side and insulate both sides of it. So and then we'll spray foam that to seal up the penetration that way, we can actually get the heater running through the wall, but you got to make sure that your hole is big enough, that the heaters not going to touch so it doesn't shore it out Or anything so now we're just gon na mock up the pipe.

So you can see we put the end on there and then we wrap it about every two and a half three inches zip tie it it's going through the wall, we're gon na insulate it. This is going into the cooler, so it doesn't need to run the full length just needs to. Basically, if you can penetrate as much after the wall as possible. Okay, so we got it all wrapped around.

It was a two-person job. It was a pain in the butt. You notice that, as I get closer to this corner, I go tighter on my turns, because I want to keep the corners warm it's my personal preference, then if I pan out you see it separates a little bit, then, as I get up to the top corner, I keep it a little bit more go right up to here and then I'm gon na go ahead and put an end cut on here and then we're gon na run it into this coil. We'll get that ice up there defrosted too we're gon na hook it to in and for because I want this thing heating the drain line when it's in the freeze mode, personal preference.

I don't see the point in heating it when it's in the heating mode, because the water's coming off the coil warm and dripping down the drain line. What I want that heater and my theory is, is I want that heater to heat any spots where we might have a slow flow and it might freeze so now we're gon na insulate it and hook the end kit on it. So I came up into here. I insulated all the lines like I said, inch underneath insulation, so it fits perfectly around there.

It seals off the pipe we're gon na put a support, strap on here. The heaters ran, it's hooked up, it's hooked up to four and in terminal, so it runs in the freeze mode. It's running right now I get one amp across the heater, which is good. We're gon na give this ice melted and get this unit into a defrost.

While we're cleaning up there's some ice on the other side too, and that's it so we're just kind of in cleanup mode down did really good insulating everything. So it's nice and good. We can run and expose like this a little bit. It's not a big deal.

It doesn't get burning hot or anything, it's just a very low, so we're good, just kind of clean it up. So we got the unit in defrost. Now we're just gon na test the defrost heaters you notice, you've got heaters running to the back, so the top two black lines touch a minute. There's your heater.
So this these top two is one heater. These two are one heater. Those two are one heater and then there's also a heater in the pan. So altogether one two three: they have four heaters in this thing and you want to see amp draw across all of them and I do so we're good.

So just put your clamp on there tests and draw don't let it touch the heating element, good, good, good, good. Okay, all right! So we're getting this thing back together. We've got their fries back where they go we'll. Let them do the rest of their organizing, but we are gon na dig into this, because the side of this thing looks like it's all: frozen up and there's giant cracks and the blades old school blades.

You can see they'll, probably change that blade out form. It's been hitting the ice as what it's been. Do it there's ice in the expansion of section real good, so they get it right up in there y'all back in there. So we'll get that ice taken out defrosted, it's draining like it should be.

We have it in a long, deep boss temporarily. We just took the X terminal off the defrost clock and put it in a 50 minute defrost. That way, while we were kind of putting things back together, it would just you know, get some of the ice out. That's it.

I think we're gon na call this one quit be done. The ice in the expansion valve section more than likely was from a freeze up that someone never got into the side over there because it's not on any other parts of the coil. So all right, so this was a service call on a walk-in freezer that had ice all over the floor. The customer had called and they were just complaining.

So when I came out, I kind of had a hunch, and this was actually the second time I'd been out. I'd been previous to diagnose. I had brought back this time heater, cable and everything that I needed, because I had a really good idea that it was a busted drain line and my suspicions were confirmed, as you guys saw in the video once I went ahead and pulled all the insulation off. We found multiple breaks in the drain lines, so it was just easier to go ahead and replace everything and start from scratch, as opposed to trying to repair all the broken spots.

The labor would have been just you know just about the same so so we went ahead and replaced the entire drain line, replaced the entire heater and then re insulated. The entire thing and, like I said in the video, my personal preference, the heater, is wired up to the cooling circuit, so 2 4 and the n-terminal that way the heater runs when it's in freeze mode and then when it's in defrost mode, there's no need for The heater to run because the water is warm dripping down the drain line. My theory behind that is, is that just in case there's a low spot or something like that in the drain, or even a slight restriction. I don't want that water to freeze, essentially okay, and it's only gon na freeze.
Theoretically, when it's in the freeze mode. You know, I guess it's possible in the heat mode, but you guys get the point. Okay, that's it! It wasn't anything too technical. It's just a time consuming job these drain line heaters you just kind of take your time and do it right.

Wrapping them is kind of a pain in the butt and then also, if you've ever done, the cut-to-fit drain line heater. I think it's made by Ray pack, you, the end kits, are kind of silly too, that you got to follow the procedures and the instructions thoroughly to get the end kit you know, put on there properly and then the electrical termination, on the other end put on Properly but other than that, that's pretty much it guys. Okay, hey! I just want to say thanks a lot for taking the time to watch these videos. I really appreciate you guys doing that, and I really appreciate the feedback you guys have been leaving me.

I've been getting, you know, video requests and I will say, video requests are a little difficult for me because I film these, as I get service calls, I don't go out with the intent of finding a service, call that I can film a certain particular video. You understand what I'm saying, so you know if, if, if you guys make a request, you know I'll keep it in mind to try to film one of those if I ever come on it, but it's not like. I can just go film that video. I do.

These, like I said as the service calls come in, but thanks a lot for that guys, and you know right now. Next to me, you'll see some other channels that are popping up. I suggest you guys give those channels a few and maybe consider subscribing to them. They got some great content out there and we'll see you guys on the next one: okay,.


41 thoughts on “Walk in freezer drain leaking water”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matthew Gregory says:

    So many problems it seems for walk in freezers and they wear and tear they go through and the rest factor

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bert Bergers says:

    No wonder it breaks when it is only supported by the coupling to the drain pan and hangs probably counterlevel. As a former plumber, used to use a wall or hanging bracket every two-ish feet on all sorts of pipes, i allways wonder about A/C installations without a bracket anywhere (expect the linesets on the roofs)

    There is no control on level, or vibrationfatigue with so few brackets. IS my thougt at least.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars JoJo Morgan says:

    Science says warmer water freezes faster because of more space between molecules……

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars J. K. says:

    In Europe you'll have the drain heaters inside the pipes. It will also only run during the defrost. Interesting to the see the different methods. Service area Barrhaven??

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars p horner says:

    I hated working in freezers…had same problem. No help.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars dwarden3 says:

    I've always used 2" PVC to run through the wall as protection, and ran all my tube/heater wire/insulation unbroken through it. I hate spray foam with a passion. A little silicone and done. Are you in Nepean ?

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Keith Markstrom says:

    Might want to rethink the strategy to only heat in cooling mode. Defrost is when water is flowing through the drain.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Oskar Johnsen says:

    That drain line is made wrong! It need to have a proper tilt al the way. No straight horizontal portions. A short power outage and its gone..cracked

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars J. R. says:

    I have a good question for you- Pee trap in the cooler? A sr. tech (30yrs) I worked with always put one in the cooler. But younger techs (10yrs) who are sr. to me thought that was useless. What do you think? Thanks…. Be safe out there.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars J. R. says:

    You like 120v or 240v type? Or do you stock both and let the coil dictate that? I know sr. techs that like factory pre made lengths better. They say they last longer???They just order them as they need them. But it adds time & down time to the repair.

    Thanks for the video. It's a good one!

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Clifford Pace says:

    Thank you soo much for the info!! Would you please give an answer to this question of how many feet to wrap per foot of copper. Thanks Clifford.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MyAC Doctor says:

    Is there temperature switch for the strip heater? say, when it reaches to 100F the switch opens the power? Or the heater itself has a built in temperature switch sensor? Happy New Year!

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars pretty cure Forever says:

    How do people expect the things to work when they're boxes everywhere and then not to mention all the boxes next to the piping Are you in Orleans ?

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars yolo Jr says:

    Hi man always great content, can you keep in mind More about makeup air and buildings pressure, also I donโ€™t do ductwork but wonder if low static is also an issue . Thanks

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alexander Lewis says:

    Thank you for the video,,, I have been in this type of situation many times,, with evaporators much higher up , and frozen food stacked up high,, with difficult access,,, Nice neat job,,..,, The drain pipe at the back has plenty of water drop,, but on the side wall,, i think a bit more water drop would help the flow… Just a small point.. Service area Ottawa??

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Erber says:

    I really like your videos, I got out of the trade to work in refineries. Now Iโ€™m getting back into the trade and these videos are very useful. I like the way you explain things. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hola! JMG Refrigeration says:

    It drives me nuts when guys get drain line heaters way longer than needed and wrap the line like crazy. I wrap a tracer line on the bottom side of the pipe and zip tie it tight, thatโ€™s really all thatโ€™s needed if you have the line insulated well.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chris Reilly says:

    That's great customer service, being proactive instead of reactive. Get the job done fast, keep the clients happy.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Leonardo Morellato says:

    put insulator in that heater cable, is for a mechanical reason, last longer.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tom Peplow says:

    i usually use a hotter drain line heater and push the it through the drain rather than around it and use compression fittings for the corners, also means you dont have to run it exposed, just drop it through the drain pan

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars LJ Little J says:

    Make sure you use 240 volt heat tape from the evaporator and 120 volt from a wall socket, typically found that way.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EastxTim says:

    Great work I really enjoy your thorough work ethic great job

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MrIroxnoah says:

    You can even see where someone put a bucket to catch the dripping water lol, it's encased in ice Service area Kanata??

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Gillies says:

    Too bad you couldn't run it out the back and around the unit .

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars dads , Cavaliers says:

    Rule of thumb,get the fzr line out short and fast as possible. Cant stand clrs that run through fzr ppl looking for trouble. Nice work!

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars dads , Cavaliers says:

    Was there standing water in cooler line due a plugged trap outside the cooler box?

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EFD620G says:

    I would have investigated the possibility of running the drain out the back of the box and eliminate all that drain in the box. Even if it has to come back into the cooler from outside it's a better setup. Long drains in a freezer are always a headache

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Leon Bogon says:

    also boxes and crap leaning against wii make pitch otherway–secure w /anchors next time

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Leon Bogon says:

    looked like that long run to O.S. did not have enough pitch–Never had a ff box drain that didn't eventually freeze up-job security

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jlwhitt77 says:

    I'm guessing the heat strip runs on 110v as well as this evaporator? N is your neutral and 4 is line for the fans in a call? The units I work on are 208/230, this wouldn't work.

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MN SHP says:

    could you use pex pipe instead of copper, or is copper needed for heat conduction

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars chris says:

    what did you wipe on the joint right after you soldered it?

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Noel Snyder says:

    My first job is going to be HVAC its always fascinated me. I'm 14 right now but as soon as I'm old enough I'm starting training

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Timothy Whieldon says:

    all of these drain lines need to be in PEX and a proper heat tape, not those BS things. Also you never wrap a heater tape in a coil like that! For water lines it needs to be a strait run on the OUTSIDE of the pipe and for drain, it needs to be a strait line on the INSIDE of the pipe!, its a drain, use a cleanout clear pTrap or a T on the end open at both sides for the trap and snake the heat tape on the INSIDE and cap off the Copper tee's with some electrical putty

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Maxi says:

    do all freezers and coolers of restaurants in america look so dirty Are you in Ottawa ?

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars marty says:

    You are a very good instructor sir!! Either that or I'm mesmerized with your voice. Does your wife EVER win an argument??

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Frymiester says:

    That brings back some terrible memories. I had a school where the installer ran a 1/2" drain for the walk in cooler into the walk in freezer and tee'd into the freezer drain with a single drain line heater. Numerous problems, return trips etc. I wasn't the lead man at the time so I didn't get to fix it right, but I got to spend all the time in the freezer fixing it wrong. Finally he retired and I got to do it properly.

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Justin Rothwell says:

    I know you said you shoot vids as the jobs come up, but I'd love to see a call on an enthalpy wheel or desiccant dehumidifier if you ever run into them. Keep up the great work!

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Toy says:

    Do you use water or refrigeration cooper pipe nice job Service area Nepean??

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars drcolster says:

    Talk about a very long internal drain pipe.. install should of been planned better to have drain going out back or left side.. but there may have been other circumstances… i personally make a top hat capping to cover drains like that… or use 11/8" pipe and put drain heater inside,copper tee at each end allows cable to come out…top job anyhow…

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars danny daghavarian says:

    Um, you know you can run the drain inside the pipe…….

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