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This video is brought to you by sportlin quality integrity and tradition. Well, we got a call on a walk-in cooler. That's not working right, they're, saying it's like 50 degrees in here. Let's get back up into here, see what we got going on uh.

It's not iced up, there's a digital stat right here. It says 50 degrees, so yeah looks like the coil's a little bit dirty, but we're gon na have to go up under the roof because it looks like it's calling. Okay, so we come up onto the roof. We've got a couple different, condensing units here.

This is our unit in question. Well, that's not good. Condenser fan motors are running, but it's cold condenser. So what i mean by it has a cold condenser is when the compressor runs right.

It's moving heat. Okay, the whole refrigeration cycle is moving heat from down in the evaporator up to the unit, and then you also have the heat of compression. So, with the heat from the refrigerant that is absorbed down at the evaporator and the heat of compression, that the compressor is creating, the condenser typically is a lot warmer than the ambient temperatures. Okay.

So when you walk up to this unit and you find that the condenser is cold, but the fan motors are running, there's a major problem there, so that's the whole point that i'm trying to make here so yeah, that's not good at all. We have to get this guy opened up, get all the panels taken off, see what we can find all right. Both condenser fan motors are running. The compressor is not the compressor is warm, but it's not burning hot, but it's definitely warm um, we're gon na start by checking voltage and we're gon na get some probes on this guy to see.

If there's gas in the system definitely got a strong vibration, this equipment is really beat down. It's like our compressor contactors down here, so we'll get in on that real quick. All right got the field piece. Sc 480 right here, we're gon na check incoming voltage line.

One to two 209, two to three 209, one to three: 206 okay, so we have three phase power coming in, let's check the load side of the contactor one to two 63 volts: that's not good! Two to three 109 volts; that's not good, and one. Two. Three 207 volts. So that's a problem: let's look for a voltage drop across the contactor line.

One has zero line. Two has a hundred and twenty uh volts uh, measured across the contact, and now so we've got a massive voltage drop. Honestly. I bet you it's going to be a bad contactor, but um we're going to go ahead and power cycle the unit we'll show not power cycle, but we'll shut it down.

Okay and then we're going to open up that contactor and have a look inside there and see what's going on in there, that's not allowing the voltage to pass through it. The fact that we have good incoming voltage is a good sign. That means that we have three phase power coming into the unit, but it's just not exiting the contactor. More than likely it's going to be a failed contact or pitted out contacts or something all right over here.
This contactor we pulled it open and uh. It's really pitted up in there really bad there you go so we're sending uh or we went downstairs to go, get a new contactor for this guy and uh. We'll hope that that's all that's wrong with it. We'll have to see.

So we got the old contactor out, we're still currently wiring in the new one. What we found uh, obviously look at the points. They're completely pitted out huge voltage drop across them. That's an issue, but all the little connectors were bad several of them, so we're replacing a lot of the connectors because they were loose um and they just weren't making a good, solid connection anymore.

All right we're getting big picture here. Okay, we're taking the time we're trying to figure out why the contactor failed and what potentially caused it or other problems that can be part of this and or create other problems later loose connections at the contactor. That's some big picture stuff you're solving some headaches later by looking at the big picture, so we're currently doing that we've got the new contactor in, but we're having to fix the connectors and and then we're gon na hope that when we start it up, the compressor Restarts, that's the hope, all right. If we did everything right, which we think we did, we double and triple checked it.

Everything's wired back in it's a mess down there, but we should be good to go to turn it on. So one two three: please don't blow up compressors running nothing blew up so we're gon na. Let the system run for a while. Now it's gon na be under a very, very heavy load, we're to go ahead and while we're letting it run we're going to probe up, we've got a giant mess up here, we're going to get some joblink probes on this guy and then we can analyze the System, but because we just turned it on we're going to let it run for a bit before we try to cycle it off again, we'll clean up wires and everything after we're done all right.

The system's been running for a few minutes. It's still 47 degrees in the box, i'm using the fieldpiece joblink app currently right now we have 19 degrees, evaporator superheat 18 degrees, but it's still really high in temps. So the valve is flooding right. Now, it's opening.

We need to give it some time to stabilize out now again that is evaporator superheat, okay, so we're going to let it run for a little bit. Let it bring the box temp down and then we'll test. Some more features um checking to make sure the defrost clock pumps it down and all that good stuff we're gon na. Let it run for a bit.

So i came down here to check on the box. It's about 45 degrees um. It's struggling to come down to temp, but i predict that the box has been down, meaning that that contactor has been bad for probably the whole day. I'd say because uh they were closed on thanksgiving, so today is uh friday november 26th, the day after thanksgiving.
So i predict this went down the night before thanksgiving is what i'm thinking all right. This equipment's doing everything it can it's 43 degrees. According to this, in the box and um heat is uh a little bit high 17 degrees 15 degrees. It's moving.

It's not horrible! For still being 45 degrees, it's still got to come down, so we just got to let it go. I'm going to seriously talk to the customer about replacing this equipment. This vibration is going to cause a leak. Eventually, this stuff is just beat down.

These condenser fan motors - you guys, can't see it but they're vibrating, really bad, but um. Everything else is good, so yeah, i don't really have much more to say. Um contactor is good. I guess the last thing we need to do is just test the defrost.

So we're gon na click it into defrost and make sure that it pumps down. So you can see on the job link app. You can watch it as it's happening, so we should see that start dropping and we want to see it shut off because we messed with the wiring for everything. So we want to make sure we didn't, you know screw something up, so we want to see the actual shutdown.

So it's dropping. Let's give it a second. You see, like we lost connection with something for a minute, but the cool thing is: is it just retries and reconnects? So it's a cool thing about the joblink app also, i probably didn't say this, but we are running a clear sight, glass, the entire time. So i don't see a problem with the charge, we're just waiting so notice a second ago it climbed up to like 210 psi.

I have a feeling that that uh, that receiver is slightly like really close to the top like it was struggling to pump down because now it's kicking butt should be shutting off here any second, and if it's not, we may need to adjust that pressure control yeah. I'm going to adjust the pressure control just a little bit because i don't really want to get below 10 psi. These compressors don't like doing that. Also you see how this fan motors, stopping before that fan motor.

That could be an indication that the bearings are going bad, but okay, i'm going to make a quick adjustment on the pressure control and then other than that this thing's doing everything it can so we're going to tell them to keep an eye on it and i'm Going to strongly urge them to consider us replacing this equipment because it's just beat down. Sometimes these calls can be difficult calls. Sometimes they can be easy calls, but it's also very easy for an easy call to become a difficult call right. So i just went around a whole confusing thing there, but always start with your basics.

Okay, you walk up and you check the symptoms. In this situation i felt a cold condenser. I was like something's, not right. We started doing voltage checks.

Obviously, we found a bad contactor. Okay, don't assume that it's just a contactor look further! Now i evaluated the situation. I gave the customer a big picture diagnosis. I also repaired a couple things: the loose connectors.
Those are so important and easy to overlook. You think it's not that big of a deal, but those connections need to be tight and, if they're not they're, going to lead to a high temperature situation, which is more than likely going to lead to an electrical failure of some sort. Okay also contactors have a shelf life. Okay.

What that number is. It just depends on the the components and the things that they're made with, but realistically contactors fail. Okay, um, they have a life cycle and they do need to be replaced. So we need to keep on top of that kind of stuff.

Now this particular customer doesn't do routine preventative maintenance. So here's a sign. Here's your sign kind of a situation right. You know they kind of get what they get but doing routine preventative maintenances and the commercial side i mean even on the residential side.

Sales are easy if you just open your eyes and open your ears and just check what you're supposed to check. You know sales. Don't have to be sleazy, you don't have to be selling death to grandmas or any of that stuff. You can simply just open your eyes and evaluate what's there and give them real, factual, um, honest information and let them make the decisions.

Okay. In this situation, we replace the contactor. It's not that difficult. I looked at a lot of other issues and we gave them a big picture quote and we'll see if they end up replacing all the equipment.

They certainly would be smart if they did. But you know what, if they don't it's? Okay right! I really appreciate you guys making it to the end of the video you're amazing. The support that you all have given me has been awesome. Uh.

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47 thoughts on “Reactive maintenance can be risky”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars take the 101 to Tarzana says:

    Another good one. Thanks Chris for taking the time to put these videos together. Nice tough the small pauses to give a brief explanation as to your thinking.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Frank Mashione says:

    Good video

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Wilfred van Norel says:

    I kust keep on being puzzled the many times you work cooling systems with R22. R22 (and R12 and soms others) is not allowed in the Netherlands for decades. Even R404a is about to be put on the list of refrigerants which aren't allowed anymore.

    R22 isn't allowed because of the ozon depletion. R404a has a top high GWP (global warming potential)

    The U.S.A. doesn't mind about those things?

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pat's Texas Style says:

    I believe blissful ignorance is the only way some of our customers sleep at night when they have thousands of dollars of probuct in equipment that's on its way out sometimes it's our obligation to enlighten them

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pat's Texas Style says:

    I noticed a lot of 15 min defrost on the time clock . which tells me the unit has been struggling not cycling to get it's off cycle defrost

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Isaac Barradas says:

    Hi๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿผ I really enjoy watching your videos!! I have one question, what brand of heating cable do you use for walk-in freezer evaporator drain pipe?

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars peter hansen says:

    No Pity.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jerry Davis says:

    I like the short ones! Makes it easy to get our HVACR fix in a pinch! ๐Ÿ˜Š Are you in Nepean ?

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars paulinator216 says:

    just wondering, being that you work and live in California do you get the carbon credits on your business when you replace a contactor that has failed due to excessive carbon build up and pitting on the contacts. carbon credits are carbon credits right?

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Mooney says:

    Selling death to Grandma's- hahaha. You must buy this surge protector or you will die.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CrabmanSteve says:

    Preventative maintenance saves so much money later on. It's wild

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nagarajan Perumal says:

    Seeing a dead Compressor is surely a worst nightmare

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alan Torrance says:

    I am a total outsider, but I find your sessions interesting โ€” I have been watching for about a year โ€” and rarely, if ever, have you "lost me". Who knows when, if ever, the knowledge will come in useful. We have a Panasonic domestic heat-pump, and I do most of the regular cleaning of filters and screens. Just this year, for the first time in about 7 years, we had a service technician come to check and comment on the operating temperatures (all OK) and with an eye perhaps to replacing it with a larger unit, as we were operating pretty much on its maximum capability. The cleaning he did was just the same as what I had been doing, and he suggested the unit was still good almost for sure for quite a few more years.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars BlackSoap361 says:

    Emergency repairs are always more expensive than scheduled maintenance.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Eassyheat/ Cooling says:

    Thanks again for the videos!
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    Stay safe.
    Retired (werk'n)keyboard super tech. Wear your safety glasses!

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Walker says:

    Good job Chris.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dr. J says:

    Good evaluation, good follow through ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป Service area Barrhaven??

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Russ Lehman says:

    Your customer is lucky that the compressor motor wasn't killed by being run under voltage.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Storm Huffman says:

    "We went downstairs…"
    You mean your apprentice went downstairs. Acting like a sparky Chris? Haha. Are you in Kanata ?

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Emil Falck says:

    Greetings from milwaukee Wisconsin
    Thank you for your videos
    12/16/2021

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Waylon Wells says:

    ๐Ÿ‘

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Timothy Sauder says:

    Awesome content. I'm a new service technician in the field, watching your videos when I get home from work has helped me understand a lot more of what's going on, In the nitty gritty. You've encouraged me to do better quality work.
    Also been rocking your HVAC beanie everyday. Keep up the quality bro. Your videos are awesome

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mainj54 says:

    More than likely dirt and grit under contacts creating high resistance and arcing over a period of time. Always see a lot of dirt in my condensing units control boxes .

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jacob Foxworth says:

    Not sure if it was just me but the left side condenser fan seemed to be spinning a little slower than the other. I think you're right about that one going bad. Service area Orleans??

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ty Huffman says:

    Reactive maintenance is expensive in many ways, lost opportunity is just one, the fact that it's difficult to predict future events so "failure" is a wildcard and that is another cost. Intentionally running equipment in ways it was not designed for is really pushing luck. Here is an example, run to failure on a Joy Fan means the blades can become shrapnel. Another example, running a cooling fan to failure can cause it to become shrapnel and destroy the cooling tower. The cost of damage and potential harm to anyone nearby are costs that no one wants to shoulder. Condition based maintenance is very cheap. Every unit should get a service visit once or twice a year, where vibration levels, and ultrasonic scans, and IR photos are at least a part of the semi yearly servicing. The cost of an IR scan of the building and electrics can easily pay for itself in the first few years to most. A building IR scan will identify areas where outside air is getting in. By fixing the areas identified can reduce pests and lower heating and cooling costs. Here's an ultrasonic example, I used a Fluke ii900 acoustic imager and in about 3 hours identified $13,000 worth of air and steam leaks in a utility area. Also note that a hidden air leak on air driven equipment can cause it to experience intermittent failures due to not getting enough air at the right pressure. Vibration monitoring can make servicing the equipment pretty much all scheduled, vibration monitoring reduces emergency maintenance calls while shifting those calls to scheduled downtime. Vibration monitoring reduces the costs of many repairs because bearings are lubed rather than motors replaced, belts are replaced prior to requiring an emergency call. Small examples.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Christopher Smith says:

    Seems like you are sponsored by fieldpiece. You have to disclose that according to FTC guidelines

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars amtrak1007 says:

    I really appreciate your dedication to seeing a complete fix. Yes the contractor was bad, however you took the time to go through the crimped spade connectors. Why? because those being damaged would get us right back to where we started. Incoming power problems. Not a glorious part of the repair by any means, but one that keeps pride in the work you do. Props.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Green Lint says:

    Another insightful big picture diagnosis. Good job.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Cose Jortez says:

    Nice job on video!

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars iRdMoose says:

    In October 2011, my parents had a brand new heat pump HVAC installed in their home. As part of the system install we pre-purchased a bi-annual PM package. The most recent service technician came in for our winter service and said, "Your coils are the cleanest I have ever seen!" The system is performing just as well in 2021 as it did when we installed it in 2011. In those 10 years we have had one service call for a minor warranty issue, and that was it. Stay on top of your PM and your equipment will last FAR longer and perform like new until stuff wears out because it's been used rather than dying prematurely because it's been ignored. It's just like changing the oil in your car. Service area Nepean??

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alex Gordon says:

    I had an air compressor at an office leaking air bad and was filled with water. Had they maintained it properly I could have saved it, but by the time I touched it the thing completely failed and they went down. Had to buy new compressor for $8,000 plus another $500 in labor. Are you in Barrhaven ?

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kevin Poore says:

    Got to love the loose contact Sally it kills everything especially contacted and transformers and relays and whole circuit boards

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kevin Poore says:

    Well I hope everybody in YouTube land is having a good Thursday before the Thursday before Christmas LOL

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Big Tom Callahan says:

    beat down for sure. that unit has seen some things. rode hard and put away wet.

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bryan Collins says:

    Been wanting to say this for awhile. Iโ€™m currently enrolled in an online HVAC/R school and Iโ€™ve been watching your videos from the start of my schooling. I cannot express to you how much you have brought clarity and reason to the subject matter Iโ€™m in the process of learning. Your teaching good standards and my hope is to model your standards once I get into the field. Seriously, I canโ€™t thank you enough for making these videos. Keep it up brother.

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars I Eat Trees. K? says:

    If those fan motors and the compressor are 3 phase with the contactor looking like that you very well had single phase conditions on those motors which will severely damage the windings. Should have a megger to test them.

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matthew Gregory says:

    I am in AZ I guess itโ€™s near California and I feel like this is really the mids of there winter so I guess this is heating season now so I guess these guys are giving heat now

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Harry Dickson says:

    ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CrimFerret says:

    Is it possible that the poorly installed connectors actually played a part in the wear on the contactor? With all that vibration, I could totally see intermittants and mini arcs happening in those frequently. If you open the box and it looks like Shaky Lou did the wiring, there's a good chance they didn't follow best practices and I'd be checking things like that just to avoid having to make another trip out down the line.

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars uxwbill says:

    It was definitely possible to see the one motor wobbling in the background when you were showing the tablet.

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jj Mn says:

    Cool vid!

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars randomrazr says:

    how so? Are you in Orleans ?

  43. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars DR Cuthbert says:

    Great video Chris loving the new feature of your voice explaining the situation and troubleshooting?

  44. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Steve Urbach says:

    Simple Big Picture Diag: Look for discolored connections. If they were not your failure, THEY WILL BE :/

  45. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Carlos Garcia says:

    ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ”ฅ. Great break down with pausing the videos. Always waiting for your next. Video. Happy Holidays. Service area Ottawa??

  46. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brian T says:

    i miss the smell of refrigerant in the morning

  47. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jason Johnson says:

    Thanks for the video Chris. I always look forward to watching them. Definitely my favorite YT channel.

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