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This video is brought to you by Sporland quality, integrity and tradition. It has been a long week. Today might be the hottest day and go figure. I'm heading out to the Coachella Valley which is our low desert and it's insanely hot so let's get out there and uh, hope we don't.
uh, melt on the roof, huh? Well we've got a little package unit here. I Bet you this is. yeah, this looks like a five ton and they're saying it's not working. Now some back history.
I Had a service technician out here about two months ago and they had blown fuses and we're going to open this up because I haven't seen this unit but my understanding was he found the contactor wires had shorted out I think you said something. art to ground like it was just a burnt out mess in there. So we replaced that and then it's been running and then they just put in another work order saying it's a call back. it's down again so who knows.
let's open this up. I Doubt it's a call back, but we'll see. So it looks like this is the contactor that was replaced. probably like a blower motor contactor or something.
but look at this unit just being out in the desert. the sand everywhere is just a mess. So let's uh, wait a minute. What is that? Because there's that contactor.
and then there's an auxiliary contact. Usually auxiliary contacts go to crankcase heaters. That's interesting. Well, first and foremost, let's check to see if the fuses are blown.
I Already see a lot of things about this unit that I don't like. This thing's a giant mess. Let's test right here. So that's line voltage coming in so that means the breaker's not tripped.
And let's go ahead and check load voltage going out. it's not going out that that is very loose. by the way. look at the discoloration on the disconnect knives.
It's not making a good connection, so this is extremely loose. When I pulled it out, you could feel it and look at the discoloration difference. So right off the bat I don't like that disconnect switch and I don't think it's making a good connection. so that's problem number one.
But there's a lot of other stuff going on with this old piece of junk unit too. All right. got the meter set to tone. Okay, we're just checking to see if the fuses are good.
That one's bad. that one's good. So this fuse is bad. Um, all right.
let's uh, finish checking the unit out. It is gonna be stupid hot today. Another thing. uh well.
first off, it is a hundred degrees and it is 7 53 in the morning. I Guarantee we're going to hit 115 plus today. So uh. next thing I do find comical is that this unit's never had gas heat hooked up to it the gas valve.
It's never been hooked up. Uh, this unit was sold way before I started doing this restaurant and yeah, they don't need it. I mean really, just put a straight cool in here. But uh, all right.
So I'm gonna go get my air blower. We're gonna blow this out. Do a preliminary investigation, open up everything. Just look for any reasons why a fuse might blow. It's nasty, foreign. So one thing I already see right off the bat is these condenser fan motor wires when people use Universal condenser fan motors. these wires are broken, completely broken, and I can see wire through the broken insulation. So there's so many places that that could be a short.
I Mean there's so many things on these units, they're just junk. Like they really need to change this unit. it's in bad bad shape. so I don't even know if you can get one at this point right now.
but I could I could take a five-ton York straight cool right here. same curved. Dimensions I Believe they still make the same unit. So all right, quick inspection says that that Copeland compressor needs a 80 Microfarad 370 run capacitor.
This has a turbo capacitor in it. The capacitor is reading about 75 microfarads, so it's just a little bit more than five percent low. so that's suspect, right? But that's not completely bad, so we're just going to keep on going doing a little inspection of the compressor terminals. don't I mean it doesn't look horrible.
There's a little black stuff in there, but I I don't think that's anything I Didn't really see any issues there, but there, is some Rust around the Um connectors. Uh, you know, certainly the wires in here are just a mess everywhere. Um, it's just this unit is just trashed. You can see multiple repairs like it really is time to replace this unit.
But I got to do something to see if I can get them cooling. but we're going to still keep checking. We're going to open up this contactor, open this guy up. We still got to open up the blower side.
but I mean look at everything like wires. You know? uh, ground is not labeled, but whatever. Um, I mean everything is just a mess in here. There's no power.
Um, yeah, this thing is just a dumpster fire. really. The run capacitor for the condenser fan motor doesn't look good. It looks a little crooked right there, like it's starting to swell out or something, but it's right within range.
It says minus five percent and we're just above the five percent. but that definitely doesn't look good. So again, it's just I Mean where do you start and where do you stop on this? I mean right now I'd like to change both those capacitors, but is that going to solve the problem? I Don't know, you know. So we're just going to keep on going and just get a running list of things.
It's going to be hard, but the compressor contactor has some pitting going on on this terminal. in this terminal. it's a little black below the contact points. I've seen a lot worse.
Um, it's not enough to say that that's the soul problem, so that's getting added to the list. Um, crank it. You can't investigate these. so I have no idea what's going on in here.
I mean you can check for resistance across it when it's pulled in or something. but I mean everything's probably full of sand. This uh blower motor capacitor is a 15. it's reading just under 14 which is more than five percent loss. I Mean where do you? This whole thing is just filthy This unit. You could tell this was added to the building after the fact because the inside in here is just a mess. blower. Wheels Dirty.
Not much you can do to prevent dirty blower. Wheels Here though. I mean this thing's just a giant dumpster fire. I Mean there could be something going on in here that I can't see.
that's where all the electrical is I Mean this thing is just a mess. All right. let's run an insulation test on the compressor. We're gonna do it at 500 volts.
Oh yeah, that's interesting. Testing really low. Really really low. Um yeah, that's testing really really low.
so that's not a good sign. I Mean it's just again. Where do you stop compressors testing Low capacitors are messed up. Uh, let's test the the motor commencement.
It would be a miracle if this condenser fan motor tested good because of all the broken insulation. But let's go ahead and run a test on this at 500 volts too. Wow! The condenser fan motor is testing good. Greater than 550 Mega Ohms at 527 volts.
Go figure on that one, right? And another thing too, insulation tests on compressors. You've got to be careful because there's a lot of variables that can affect an insulation test. Uh, the temperature of the internals of the compressor is a huge Factor Moisture contamination is a huge Factor You can see incorrect readings when the compressor is really cold. You want to kind of test it as it's operating now.
I'm actually out in the desert. It's over 100 degrees. That compressor is probably 140 degrees. It's currently 103 degrees right now.
So uh, that compressor is hot. But um, so I'm not worried about that. Uh, I think we got a lot of stuff going on here I'm currently calling the supply house scene if we can find a new package unit. more than likely what I'm going to go ahead and do right now uh, is, go ahead and get all new capacitors and uh, fix tape up the wires on the condenser fan motor.
Uh, you know where you reverse the speeds and stuff I'll tape all that stuff up and we're going to try to fire this guy and see if we can get it to run. maybe through the weekend. We got a three-day weekend right now. Um, and uh, if I can get them through the weekend, that would be fantastic.
Let's see. Went ahead and got new capacitors I Tried to manipulate this guy so hopefully it makes a better connection. I'm not going to go about changing the disconnect right now. Um, uh, put a new capacitor on the blower too.
Let's uh, hope it doesn't blow up. huh? One two three, please don't blow up. and let's get the meter out and check voltage, see if we've got actual voltage coming in. So we've got voltage coming in now and we're just waiting on the thermostat to give it a call for cooling. All right, it is running and I had to call the EMS company turn the unit to a full call for cool. Um, let's just see what we're running. As far as current goes, right now, 30 amps doesn't seem abnormal. Um, compressor running about 20 amps doesn't seem horrible.
It's about 108 up here now and mind you, it's only 9 30 in the morning, so that's how hot it gets out here. We got a 46 Supply and the return is going to be like 30 degrees. This guy has some undersized depth work, so um, but I know this guy's working. It's doing everything it can.
So at this point what I'm going to do is I'm going to talk to the customer. Um, I'm going to try to get a new unit if I can. Again, it's really hard to find units, but this is a residential style. It's not a commercial.
We've been having a heck of a time finding commercial units, but this is a residential. I could either take I mean really? I I guess I could even do a heat pump if I needed to I Prefer not to though because they're going to have to update the electrical if I do a heat pump more than likely. um, but uh, I mean I could take a straight cool I could take the gas heat and just not hook it up again. I mean really, this customer probably doesn't care.
they just want Cooling So this is an older five ton. York I mean it's doing everything it can. We, you know, got a laundry list of issues: It's Just Junk 73 degree return. So yeah, little around 30 degree temperature differential across the unit certainly needs a lot of love, but that's all we're going to give it for now until we decide where to go.
Let's hope it makes it through the weekend. Basically, you know something's going on in that compressor. I mean just everything. This unit is just trash I can only do so much with equipment that is just done I can certainly put a new compressor in it.
pull the blower, change the condenser fan motor, you know, but at what point do you just stop? This is an old R22 unit. It's just not in good shape, you know? I Mean it really really is just beat down. So it's really time to replace this equipment. I'm currently working with the customer trying to get them to approve a replacement on this unit, but unfortunately, replacement is not going to be the easiest of tasks because it was never installed and set up properly from the get-go So the ductwork is undersized.
it doesn't have a true return like it's just a giant dumpster fire. So who knows what's going to happen. Are we going to make it through the summer? You know I don't know. You know, it's just one of those things.
so we'll just have to wait and see. But of course you always want to take your time, go through the equipment, even if it's a lost cause. Come up with a true list of problems. I'm not just going. Oh yeah, the compressor's testing bad. I Mean, you know we're going through everything. We're pointing out that the condenser fan motor wires are completely Sun rotted. It's time to replace that.
You know we need to. uh, fix electrical wiring. We need a new disconnect switch on it. Uh, in reality, we you know that that main compressor contactor, even though it wasn't in horrible shape, probably should change that and then put a compressor new.
R22 You know it's just like but but you know. is that unit really worth? You know, eight thousand dollars worth of work? No, not really. But then again, with the price of new units these days, it's kind of sickening. So who knows, you know.
But all I can do is give the customer the information. I'm not going to them saying I absolutely flat out will not repair this unit I would repair it if they want me to. Heck yeah. I'd probably make more money off of repairing it than I would installing a new unit.
Um, so I'm totally willing to fix it if that's what they want to do. It's just a matter of them figuring it out. You know what's worth it. So I give them a replacement cost and I give them a repair cost and then I let them make the decisions on that.
You know it's completely up to them. Uh, it's still working, you know. So at this point you know they have to make the decision. Where do they want to go? You know? Um, I Really appreciate you guys making it to the end of the video.
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Great job!!
If that unit was a person,it'd be a 101yo in a nursing home,on a ventilator,both legs amputated,only one lung,several strokes under the belt,time for the big AC junkyard in the sky.😁
how you at 407C systems in a Bus?
I dont suspect caps that are "slightly " out of range. I've never seen that be the cause of a blown fuse, maybe a cap 30% + out of range, not 10% or below. Are you in Nepean ?
That condensor fan wiring looked horrible and somehow it managed to test good. Even exposed wire.
I would love 103 with low humidity.
We are 106 with a humidity of over 70%. That kicks your arse!!
You did good! It's VERY difficult trying to fix and old clunker, because the customer wants you to own it forever and that isn't going to happen. Two months is not your responsibility- I write on the invoice the time I will warranty my work and for that unit- none!
And wow! Whats with all the trash on the side of the road? Man, people are nothing but noisy and dirty!
you give the customer an estimate then they complain about the price, then you try to explain to them that its a old pos unit that needs to be junked, then they decide to fix it any way.
I get it..Switch it out 😅
I don't know anything about air conditioners. I don't even live in a place with a particularly warm climate (New Zealand). But I really enjoy your videos, your work ethic, and learning about something I didn't know was so interesting. Thanks for all the effort.
As a wearer of contact lenses, my eyes started watering just watching the dust being blown out at the beginning of this video. Service area Barrhaven??
Good video thanks for making it.
I am confused why you would tape the fan wires.
With those cheap connecters I would cut them off then add shrink wrap to the wires and then put new connectors on it. Service area Ottawa??
The early morning view out your van ❤
I think now the unit could be called "good as new" york.
This is so sad. Had someone else condemn an entire R22 residential split system based on a compressor not starting correctly. I didn't have much of a say in the matter and had nothing to do with condemning it. When it was replaced, I had the condenser unit saved so I could autopsy it at the shop. I found that the capacitor was wired incorrectly within the first few seconds of inspecting it. So sad. It was in great condition. Ruined my mood the rest of the day because it's so friggin sad.
Pure coincidence i was on the roof yesterday doing triage on one of these units, so far a bad thermostat, but the ibm is shutting off. I pretty much told my boss we need to change every capacitor on the roof. My old hvac guy seems to have abandoned us, so im putting a basic hvac class and a whole lot of hvacr videos to work
What’s the Fluke model # ? “ isolation tester”
I’m new to hvac currently in the residential field but with the help of your videos I’m hoping to get to the commercial field after getting some experience👍🏽
Hey Doctor this 102 year old man needs a heart transplant,a new liver oh yeah I almost forgot his kidneys are bad too!
Gran respeto para las personas con honestidad en el rubro. Gracias por el esfuerzo y sacrificio para filmar todo esto con el calor y la incomodidad!
Bomb that York unit. It's not worth to repair at all. That unit is expired Are you in Orleans ?
Hey bro! bout a year and a half into my HVAC career in hilton head SC and I havent received that much formal training but i am doing pretty good, mainly maintenances and small repairs but i appreciate your videos because they help me in my own servicing, i pride myself on doing the best i can and am thankful for my support system at work but im doing my best to build my knowledge and be able to handle more and more things! Your videos help me with knowing how to word things and say things in a more professional manner. cheers!
I like your approach to troubleshooting the issue(s) to find the fault. In this case no one issue that stood out but a lot of small issues which could all add up to the reason the fuse blew. I would really like to have seen you put a plug in the gas valve though.
great work. started watching around the start of plandemic. as im in training i have learded a lot of tips and tricks from you. i also watch overtime funny funny funny
nice analysis start to finish; end of lifespan equipment without a doubt..wires to compr contactor looked loose and fatigued.Too many previous repairs to ensure reliability.
Nice megger! 💵💰
Yeah, 100F at sunrise. I seriously slow down at 80F and sunny. Don’t know how you do it.
I have been learning from your skills and i would like to see more cook line drawers and open air case units i dont think i have seen any videos of yours with that yet
Enjoyed the video Chris! Keep up the hard work! really enjoy seeing how you diagnose and repair equipment
sorry but i swear you just make videos to be a moaning miserable old man !
Cool video Chris Are you in Ottawa ?
That road looks like some 3rd world country. Though, great video as always!
That was a lot of finding other things to suspicion when the only actual fault found, pertaining to the primary complaint(blown fuse), was the loose connection on the disconnect, which got minimal mention.
I'm an hvac contractor in GA and when you said commercial units are hard to find I started laughing. Spent all day on the phone looking for 7.5 ton split hp… No bells or whistles at all…. This is after 4 weeks turned into 16+ weeks from the factory.
Thank goodness I hold TN license and have a truck to drive to Nashville! Shipping costs can make a man sick.
Chris, I'd loan you my magic wand to fix that unit, but the metric batteries to run it are really hard to find, especially post COVID, so I think you're on your own.😂
Great Video. Thank you for sharing. I'm new to HVAC-R. I'm watching your video so I can learn more about HVAC-R.
Just wanted to say thank you, I’ve been watching your videos for years and they definitely have made me a stronger technician. It’s not only the technical stuff, it’s the way you think and pay attention to small detail that changed my way off thinking and looking at jobs as a whole instead of just jimmy rigging it cool until it doesn’t. My goal now is to fully assess each system I go to and decide what it the best course of action to not have to worry about another repair for years. Are you in Kanata ?
In my opinion as an electrical guy, you did a little over-thinking on this one. 🙂
Most likely the basic problem was that fuse disconnect. Fuses are thermal devices. They go open because they melt. Heat makes things melt. They can melt in the middle of the fuse link where they are supposed to, or the soft solder holding the fuse link to the end cap can melt if for some reason the end cap gets very hot. IMHO those blackened lugs was enough to make me believe that it could have generated more than enough heat to cause one or both fuses to go open.
I would have gently sanded down those blackened connections to get back to clean copper, since copper oxides are pretty darn good insulators. Ideally I'd use some wet or dry sandpaper, but if all I had was garnet paper, I'd use it. Then I'd clean the contacts by at least wiping them down, but ideally with some contact cleaner. I'd also spray contact cleaner into the receptacle side to make at least a pretense of cleaning that side.
Finally I would have checked voltage drop across the fuse block with the unit running. More than a few volts drop would indicate a possibility for a lot of temperature rise.
I learn something every time. The sand is a problem we don't see back east usually, and the extream temperatures 95 t0 100 is the max around here.
I know these videos are intended for your employees, but I really enjoy them as "edutainment". I always say there's nothing more popular than watching other people work.
I started watching your channel a few years ago out of curiosity about this commercial refrigeration equipment. Thanks to you I have gained an understanding of all the components and how they work. That is a long way from doing useful work so your job is safe Chris.
so its time for a New York?
Great job and I love your videos
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Good old opening from car side view Service area Kanata??