Service call on a Beer walk i not working, when I arrived the unit had a blown fuse and i went thru all the systems operations to find the source. Its always important to attempt to solve the problem the first time, fuses don't just blow for no reason.
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So the complaint is that the walk-in beer walking is about 50 degrees managers, saying that the fans had been off all day. I can't remember if they said they came on at some point: we're at right now, no display on the digital readout. Both units are off so came up onto the roof before I did anything downstairs just to see. What's going on, disconnect switches on defrost timer looks like it just came out of defrost, but condensing, and it's not running I've not applied service gauges or even use.

My electrical meter yet so I was like to do just a little pre inspection see if the fan motor spin they do feel the compressor does not feel warm, so it hasn't been running for a while. So we're gon na get the meter out start checking voltage. So let's go ahead and see if we can find here, I'm gon na check for a three phase voltage coming in on the contactor interesting we've got single phase voltage, so we're going to check the ground. That's line one to ground line two to ground line three ground and I'm just simply testing on this contactor from line one to ground, and I get nothing so we're missing a leg so shut this guy off test in here.

So we got going on it's test. Voltage step back that you guys a get dear here, testing line, one two line: two on to line three line: three line one, so we got voltage incoming, but we don't have voltage going out so obvious we're going to check fuses. Let me go ahead and put my meter on tone. Okay, let's check across the fuse fuze number one is good.

Fuze number two is bad. She is number three is good, so we've got a blown fuse, so I'm not just gon na replace that fuse. Okay, before I go any further, I'm gon na find that line voltage see what it goes to, because I always kind of try to tell people yeah. We could just throw a fuse in there and see if it blows again, but I'd like to see I'm going to test the compressor make sure it's not grounded out.

I'm going to test the condenser fan motors, I'm going to test each way to see now the quick way to do this is to go to the load side of the contactor and test it to ground. Let me get in here and test from each load leg to ground load like three two ground: nothing load leg to to ground; nothing load, leg, one to ground; nothing! So there's nothing! That's an obvious short, but I am going to tell you one thing. Look at this defrost timer. This is something we want to remember and think about notice that it looks like it just came out of defrost, let's look down at the bottom of the defrost timer.

This is a cooler, but look at that. They got an ex terminal and they're wired on number three, so this looks like it's gon na be electric heat for the defrost. So the fact that we've got a blown fuse, the fact that we're just out of defrost before I replace that views, I'm going to check my electrics heaters to make sure, because it's plausible that the unit blew the fuse when it was in defrost. So that's what we're gon na go next again, all this before I'm gon na change fuses, because why waste a fuse? Why potentially blow a main breaker? You know we're gon na we're gon na double check everything before we even replace the fuse.
I opened up all the evaporator coils and did the same test where I owned out each terminal to ground, and I got nothing so that means that I have no obvious grounded out wires doesn't mean I don't have a short somewhere still open up everything. Mind you that still annoyed harness right. There is not being used same thing, went over here and check each terminal to ground. To make sure I didn't have any continuity.

I don't so now. I'm gon na open up the evaporator coils inspect the wiring. I already noticed this and I don't like this - that could be a problem. It's a very common thing, but don't look like it's shorted.

We will repair that, but I'm just gon na go through and inspect everything spin, all the motors obvious and then, if I can't find anything obvious, then I'm gon na go ahead and put fuses in it and turn the unit back on and see. If I can simulate what happened, whether or not it happened in defrost or not okay, so I went ahead. I didn't save spared you the agony and pulled out the fan blades on the other evaporator inspected, everything, nothing obvious. I mean there was that little spot where the wires look like they rubbed over there, but it didn't look like it actually broke the jacket, so I just taped him up and risa cured them, so they're not rubbing on the bottom of the drain, pan anymore.

So at this point nothing is jumping out at me, but one thing I did notice is that there's no silhouette valve in that coil. If we come over here, there's no cylinder valve in this coil, but this temperature controller that you see right here, is controlling a solenoid valve somewhere more than likely it's on top of the box, and I do need to get up on top of there because there Should be a common liquid line and then it's gon na tee off to both coils, more than likely there's a power coming out of that temperature controller, going up to wherever the Silla Knight valves that I did not see it on the roof. However, I will go back up and inspect one more time, so I want to get up to that solenoid valve just to make sure something didn't short out on that and then after that I'll go ahead and replace the fuses and then just turn the power back On and see if I can get it to trip the breaker, if I can't find something at the solenoid valve so but again I know this is painstaking, but I got to go through this because trust me from experience. You don't want to just change fuses because that one time where it's the worst case scenario the rings of being a catastrophe, because you replaced a fuse on something that had a direct Shore.

And we could talk about that later. But it can lead to all kinds of problems, so you you know it always helps to have somewhat not perfect but good organization, so that when it comes time to getting what you need you've got, it looks like I got: 15 amp fuses, 20 amp fuses. I think, what's in there's a 25 but I'll take the 20s up see if that'll help us for now. You don't want to go over the maximum view size.
Those are 30s rather roll with the 20s first. So on the nameplate it says maximum overcurrent protection, 25 amps, I'm gon na point out something just because you see a fuse in there doesn't mean that it's correct, so don't just use. What's in there, there's nothing worse than the excuse of well, I put back in what was in there. We as technicians got to make sure that we're checking everything out so, like I said in my truck, I didn't have 25 amps.

I had 30, 20 and 15. So I'm obviously for troubleshooting purposes gon na put in a 20, because if we look at the unit more than likely for the time being until I can get the right fuses, that will give me by at least a troubleshoot, because defrost heaters are max 19 amps Yeah, so it should be good enough for troubleshooting we'll find out right now. So I'm going to change these fuses. Please pull her out.

I get it in there. There we go okay, first infuses! In there we go okay, it's got some fuses in there again. The unit is out of defrost at the moment. Another thing that I'm noticing too is that timer's really hard to turn it's very, very difficult.

It's all bound up with sand. It's interesting, okay, so turn power on see what happens. So this thing has a digital control. So it's not necessarily going to turn right on.

I mean I'm holding the contact Ren. So it's not calling you compressor runs, but it's family-run eggs gon na be an interesting one. So what I'm gon na do, while I'm waiting for it to turn on, is I'm gon na go ahead and gage up. I've got the JobLink probes here.

We're gon na use those right now temporarily and see we can do the gauges on. I came down here. Just look at the evaporators now that I replaced the fuses still quick inspect, both evap fans are running and my thermostat, so ESD is anti short-cycle delay, so it has a little delay. Usually it's like a minute or two.

There is a way to bypass that. I can't remember so we're just gon na wait for a minute, so it's currently 52 degrees in here and everything's running at the moment, which is kind of a bummer, because this will make troubleshooting a little bit harder because it's not going to jump out in our Face and say this is your problem, so we're gon na have to you, know, evaluate the system, run it through all the tests, defrost everything you know to try to either get it to happen again or to try to find things that are bad. That's that's! Where we're at right now so as far as I service call goes walk-in freezer, I'm sorry, mayor, walkin, there's! Why call that a walk-in freezer was it's a medium temp cooler, but they have electric defrost evaporator coils. So when you see electric defrost, I automatically think walk-in freezer regardless.
So to recap the call the first thing it happened when I got there. So let's do a little recap. The original service call was near walk-in, not tempting. So when I arrived first thing I did spoke to, the manager asked her.

What the symptoms were, what was going on? She said the evaporator coils were not running, the fans were not glowing and they haven't been since yesterday, their box temp, when I did arrive, was about 47 degrees immediately went onto the roof found out that the unit. In fact, was electric defrost down at the evaporator coils, which was a little odd because it is a cooler system, medium temperature, the Box setpoint, is about thirty five degrees. Usually when you see that you typically don't see electric defrost but there's some rare cases. This particular customer really wants to keep their beer walkin that about they want their beer as cold as possible.

So they really like to keep their beer walking down in the 32 degree range 33 degree rings they like to skate the line of freezing their kegs. I'm not a fan of that because then you get nuisance, calls with my beers freezing my beers freezing, so I tend to set their temperatures up at about 35. That's where this particular one was and so anyways. When I arrived, I found blown fuse on the B leg as a boy that happened to be the leg that controlled the thermostat.

That was actually like the control circuit. So before I replace the fuse, went through everything as much as I could to make sure. I didn't have anything that was grounded all the terminals that compressor the condenser fan motors. I basically put my meter on continuity and checked.

Every terminal II could be ground because, from my experience, you can just throw fuses in there see if it blows a fuse again and that very rare, very rare case if it is a direct shard. It causes a big catastrophe and I have had to happen where, instead of checking to see, if I had a grounded compressor, I just replaced the fuse to see if it would blow again whenever place the fuse. It blew again. But it blew the me and then on top of that this is another situation, then, on top of that, when it blew the main, the breaker 1-9.

So I blew an entire panels me that controlled all their AC is in that particular building, and this was a very rare circuit breaker that they couldn't get for a day. It was a disaster. So that's why I say step back to my service call today. That's why I say before you replace the fuses go through at home, everything out to make sure that there's nothing grounded, nothing obvious.

I went through all the electrical inspected. All the wires couldn't find anything wrong. So at that point I went ahead and replace the fuse is all free. I don't replace just one fuse change all three and then went through all unit operations to make sure everything was working properly.
Everything was working, properly, walk, started, coming down to temperature and I let it run for a little while, because the Box temp was at 47 degrees, I needed to get that box temp down. I needed to get the evaporator Tim actually down below 20 degrees to be able to initiate defrost, because it's electric heat and test the heaters. So I had to let it run basically come all the way down to temperature. Then I initiate a defrost and when I initiated defrost actually found that the defrost clock was sticking in which you know you saw in the video where it was hard to turn.

Now I don't like that, and you know I can guess and try to predict the reason why the fuse blew would have been something to do with that defrost clock running slow. I highly doubt it though I think that defrost clock was a whole nother issue, but regardless the defrost clock needed to be replaced. So I replace the defrost clock check the heaters. Everything checked out.

Fine, I did give myself a little disclaimer when I spoke to the manager and just said hey, you know I did not find an electrical short that jumped out of my face and said this is why I'm blowing the fuse. I did find a defrost clock. That was bad, but you know I kind of told her there couldn't still be something going on, but I've done everything in my power short of sitting there for seven hours and watch the inn and operate to make sure that it wasn't going to happen again. I'm pointing that out because be as thorough as possible cover your ass just to be safe other than that everything checked out.

Okay.

46 thoughts on “Beer walk in not working”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars one trooper says:

    Thanks for the videos really enjoy them .. appreciate taking the time out ur busy schedule to make them

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars dynamic zero says:

    And from this video a legend was born

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matthew Gregory says:

    When in doubt pull them out

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars usrevenge says:

    Don't mind me decided to watch every video in order.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Rivas says:

    I’m so glad I watched this video again after the “beer walk in not cooling” call yesterday night. I realized I could’ve been more thorough in my trouble-shooting. I only did a quick check for any direct shorts, and although I didn’t find anything I could’ve also checked the Evaps wiring too. This is a good wake up call! I have to be more thorough next time.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars bentlikeitsmaker says:

    Had that issue had a 60 amp splitter someone put 40 amp fuse in It well replaced it and hit power pop went the welder but then again we figured it was already bad and is what took out the splitter was a 16k machine

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Shane S. says:

    I appreciate the insight you've shared across all of your videos. Though I'm not in the HVACR business (maybe someday), it's awesome to learn more about how refrigeration and such works, and the proper techniques and troubleshooting approaches – keeping the big picture in mind is beneficial with electrical and software engineering, too!

    I heard of your channel from Technology Connections about 1.5 months ago, and as of now I've caught up with pretty much every non-livestream video. It was well worth it, and I look forward to your journey onwards. You've gotten better at presenting on film, but your wisdom (including acknowledging when one doesn't know) has impressed throughout.

    Thank you!

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Greg Mercil says:

    So this is where it all began! 😀

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jarhead shooter says:

    Great analysis chris! We don't just replace fuses either and we don't leave spares in the box for customers! Many of my customers are high occupancy buildings and the liability is to great!

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ke6gwf - Ben Blackburn says:

    Who else scrolled ALLLLLLL the way back here after the livestream to see if it was as bad as he thinks? Lol

    It's not!
    I can tell that you didn't have any practice working and holding the phone, and it's much more polished now, but you still did a great job.

    I will say that though I agree with you that fuses don't fail for no reason, most of the time, every once in a while you run into a faulty fuse, or one that fatigued from vibration. Could also be a fluke, like a power company brown out or switching event while the heaters were on, or during the compressor start in rush current spike.

    Or, if the defrost clock is sticky, maybe the contacts stuck and started the compressor before turning off the heater? Depends if it's a double throw, or seperate contacts on a cam.

    Anyway, yes, always assume that there is a cause that you need to locate, because most of the time there is! Lol

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Erik Andreassen says:

    Awesome still catching up. Didn't realise how long he''s done videos, his troubleshooting methods are awesome not many people can go through a process to a result know that one from experience. It's great building/installing a new product but figuring what's gone wrong with a pre-installed product take a special person, my brother (retired) is one as a maintenance engineer not all things are straight and simple. Kudos for those that can because they keep the rest of us going (well hopefully). Are you in Barrhaven ?

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joseph M Orost says:

    Nice! Did you go back and put in 25s?

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jozef Cunningham says:

    I love this chanel Service area Kanata??

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Christopher Kidwell says:

    Not true. Fuses will blow 'for no reason' if they are badly made, defective to begin with, etc.
    They don't need a short in order to blow, I know that from experience with fuses in various other electronics.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Greg M says:

    A419 my favorite controller!

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chad says:

    My name is kiiiiiiiiiiiiid rock

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars KQP Twin says:

    Do you ever mega your motors ?

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SImpleSnoop says:

    Chris did you have even older videos than this?

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CeilingFan Music says:

    One thing you can do to check for shorts is this.
    Get a few 100w lights. Cenect them across the fuse terminals of the blowen fuse. If theres a short the light will just light up
    Some faults are voltage depindent and will not show up until power is applied.
    This works grate for me when im trubleshooting.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ronald Zeigler says:

    I worked on a ice machine at long john silvers that have glycol system with a bad controller same thing . Service area Ottawa??

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Find Continuity says:

    The ol ' I noticed the temp going up at 7 am and the fans haven't worked all day" so by 5 pm they decide to call. Every bloody time.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars sweetsavage77 says:

    Change the fuse. If the main goes it was bad and would have went anyway. That’s what they’re made to do. If fizz blows again THEN waist two hours of your employers money and your time taking everything apart and tested. Always have to search and search till you justify a fat bill seems to me. I could be wrong but doubt it

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars D Har says:

    nice video man, thorough approach. Them shorts are a bitch to find sometimes.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chau Nguyen says:

    Thank you really awesome explanations!

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Daniel Vasquez says:

    My first fix was my own AC unit, it was just a fuse that was not working. I bought a cheap Multi Meter at Harbor Freight to check the electrical.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars OG X says:

    It's good to see I'm not the only one that struggles to line up the fuses when putting them in lol

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alvaro Turrubiartes says:

    Had a similar problem but did not blow the main. Took a week for the short to show its face. Checked every wire, and the short was happening intermittently which was making a whole lot more difficult.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Red Angry Bird says:

    Thanks man, I like your recaps, I am learning heaps. Cheers.

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars First Second says:

    There is one beer missing.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ricardo Javier Ramos Morua says:

    Did you say you spent 7 hours on that call?

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars tinhbanhuu says:

    perfect

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars D Rodriguez says:

    In the beginning when you said you have single phase voltage. The way I understand it is it would still be 3 phase but only two out of three legs. I was hopping you could give me some insight Are you in Kanata ?

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars vipleather says:

    Everything exposed like that might be a concern. What happened to the lids? I’ve seen situations where power company’s have a malfunction and can do havoc on local public services. I had a transformer single phasing at a hotel I worked at and they eventually replaced it. Maybe ?? Service area Orleans??

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars StartUP Outdoors says:

    Who the hell thumbs down. Every video is so good he’s doing everything 1 handed and is on point with his diagnosis

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars AKA HVAC says:

    Always close the panel on the disconnect before turning it back on… or at least move to the side

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tomas Membrila says:

    You are very intelligent and knowledgeable. I Love your videos. Love your channel 👍.

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fredrik G says:

    it was probably the heater coil cable rubbing that did the short. Are you in Nepean ?

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Manoj Bhoyar says:

    Nice video sir
    Thanks for sharing knowledge Service area Barrhaven??

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ruben Castillo says:

    Pull ur other hand out of ur ass n use both hands 2 on meater

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars RJ says:

    Some of these people on here nitpicking your video crack me up. They obviously haven’t had employees or done the actual field work. If they have done either they would realize your a rare technician that actually tries to do the job correctly the first time and to look to try and prevent the future problem calls. Keep up the excellent work. If you were here in Oklahoma City I’d definitely try to hire you!

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Noah Barnette says:

    I went to sleep and woke up to this playing still don’t know what it is lol

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sean Young says:

    This isn’t my field but I run across 3 phase in IT work. Why do you replace all the fuses? To keep it consistent? Or the cost is so low might as well replace all of them ?

  43. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars noname says:

    Hey awesome video, can you post a list of the tools you use.

  44. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Clifton Winkler says:

    why did you change all the fuses Are you in Orleans ?

  45. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars inglouser says:

    I'm highly interested in this trade and your videos are a great source for information for newbies such as myself. I hope to keep watching your videos to make myself the best technician I can be once I can get my foot in the door. Thanks for all you do!!

  46. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 404 Refrigeration & HVAC Services says:

    Good video Chris. I agree completely with your approach – many times I’ve had customers replace a fuse to get the machine running again, not even giving any consideration to the idea that fuses don’t just blow for no reason whatsoever… there’s always a reason why the fuse blew, and it’s the technician’s job to find the reason why.

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