Foreign, foreign foreign foreign foreign hello hello we are live coming to you live from Virginia answering all your heating and air questions as every week live here at 8 30 Eastern So if you're not here on the East Coast find out what time that is for you. Of course we've got Arch from the West Coast so he knows what time it is on his uh in his time zone. Welcome to Bob Gary Gill Mark Good to see you everybody! Um thought I Would start tonight's show out with a little story uh again before we dive into this. If you have any questions, feel free to drop those in the chat.

A lot of times there's some other Pros on here live as well and if I don't know the answer to your question, perhaps one of them will. Sometimes there's different answers too. You know different opinions on certain matters, right? But I Thought: I Would start tonight's uh, show out with an interesting story I Found this story. Let's see, it's on a website called The Energy Mix and it starts out reluctant.

U.S Car dealers and HVAC installers could slow electrification and so there's this push right now. There's this push in our country and not just our country, but in a lot of countries for electrification and some consumers are pushing back. Some of you may be pushing back. You don't want to drive an electric car, maybe you like your gas car, you know, or truck, and uh, you also might like your oil or gas heat and you don't want to make this switch to electrification And so I Thought the story was interesting because it pointed out not just that consumers are a you know part of this, but the HVAC installers themselves are a part of this, right? So if you can't find a heating and air company or installer to install the product that you want, then that you know really lessens your options as a consumer, you know.

And I help folks on our website. New HVAC HVAC Uh Guide New HVAC Guide.com and where we help people through the process of you know, buying a heating and air system, helping them, you know, try to avoid some of the problems that homeowners face when they're going through that process and trying to help them through that and educating them and so on. And um, one of the things that we'll run into sometimes is I'll have customers on that website or you know consumers say I Can't find anybody in my area that will sell a particular brand or particular product and you know. So if they've got, let's say 20 companies in their area and none of those companies want to do what they want, you know one, none of those companies want to install a heat pump.

for example, then that customer can't have a heat pump. You know, unless they want to have it installed by somebody that doesn't know what they're doing. or you know, try to install it themselves. You know there's some DIY options out there and then of course that brings on a whole set of problems, right? So getting back to our story here, even it reads even as U.S Consumers increasingly Embrace electric vehicles and heat pumps.

Supply chain bottlenecks may arise from established networks of fossil far fossil car dealers and HVAC installers who are still heavily invested in Legacy Technologies We've ran into that here on our YouTube channel we've had guys say hey I don't want to sell High Sear heat pump systems inverter systems I I'm gonna sell what I want to sell You know I don't care what the consumer wants or what the what the industry is going towards I think I know my customers better than you know than the manufacturers or the government I know my cons my my customers better than them I've done the math and the math just doesn't work. That's what some of them will say and so you know they are. As this article just said, heavily invested in those Legacy Technologies The concern emerging in the U.S may actually point to a difference between the U.S and Canadian markets. Over the weekend, Clean Energy Canada reported that EV demand is still surging and supplies are still insufficient in Canada.

So wow, So that points out another point when we in the U.S are looking at how other countries are moving towards, say, electric vehicles and they're having issues making that switch. You know that's might be something that plays a role in this as well. The Vancouver based added that data based on showroom sales paints in incomplete picture of EVS Quote have upended the traditional dealership model unquote that applied to Internal Combustion Engines, Internal Combustion Vehicles and the US government support for Ev makers and buyers standardization of charging technology blah blah blah I Don't not really I Don't really care about the car side of this article I I Thought it was more interesting the HVAC side of this here we go: Heat pump uptake also risks being slowed by in quote Incumbent: Network Unquote: pushing back against new technology American Households brought more heat pumps than American Households bought more heat pumps than gas furnaces for the first time ever last year. But heating ventilation and air conditioning contractors reluctance to learn the installation guidelines could slow things down.

Let's see. so what are your thoughts on this guys? You know as as we go through this article, what are your thoughts you know? Are there? Have you run into this? Have you seen some contractors saying hey, I Don't care where the industry's heading I Don't care that you want this newer technology I'm not going to sell it. Have you run into that? I'm very curious. Um, Quote contractors may not be familiar with the latest options.

They may have existing sales Channel relationships limiting their access to the latest and greatest and they fear bad reviews. Unquote writes Bloomberg Recognizing the urgent need for installer education, the U.S Department of Energy is now heavily involved in the training established and upcoming. HVAC Professionals on heat pump technology assisting in almost 80 percent of all HVAC training programs in the country. Wow.

I didn't even know, so that's interesting right there that the Doe it says is assisting in almost 80 percent of all HVAC training programs ensuring all systems go on. EV and heat pump adoption will be critical to reaching Net Zero by 2050 targets Bloomberg Noted of the U.S 194 trillion dollars in investment that Bloomberg Nef estimates will estimates will need it I Can't read tonight guys. I Can't read every week right estimates will be needed to hit that Target 51 percent will be spent on these two technologies. So yeah.

I Just thought that was an interesting Um article. as as we've uh talked about in the past, you know with you know the the fact that there are some Heating and Air Guys Whether it's you know they don't want to make the switch. Maybe it's they feel like they know better, maybe they have you know, done the math and they think that there's there's no upside to paying the extra money for some of these systems. and I Think that that may have been a valid argument in the past, but as Tom has gone on, we're starting to see a uh, more budget-friendly inverter systems coming out there, right? We've done videos on the Dyke and Fit and with the some of the rebates that they have in place and some of the other programs and I'm sure there's other systems out there too.

We just as you guys know, that's what I sell and a lot of you know anyway. you may not know that, but um, they are. You know, at times, less expensive than installing a single stage system. You know you can actually spend less money in the end and have a extremely higher, more efficient system in the end.

Extremely quieter. Extremely. Lots of things you know. So anyway, uh, looks like we've got some new faces here.

Bernie B from Long Beach California welcome to the show Arch Says from getting estimates it seems the majority of HVAC contractors weren't Keen asking questions about different models of heat pumps and gave estimates for what they wanted to install. It's a good point. Arch You know if they either believe in what they're selling or they have some sort of agreement in place, there are Brands out there that say Hey if you're going to sell our product, you've got to sell a certain amount of our products for us to allow you to even have access to our equipment. Good or bad, That is a a part of our industry.

So um, so maybe that's part of that too. but you know there's always a chance that they may have just said that because they do believe in the in the product or brand that they are pushing right? Ed says good evening hey Ed Welcome to the show home Rapid Repair Howdy Howdy good friend of mine Arch says our house is all electric So the decision was made for us when we bought our house. which is better for us because the only alternative is propane here where we live. Yeah, propane.

It's funny because there are times when propane has gone down in price in the past and I have seen more of a you know folks say I want propane? You know they'll They'll almost shift towards that and we all know that just like gasoline, propane can go back up just as quickly and and it has at times. and so we have customers that if they do have a furnace, if they have a propane furnace then a lot of times they will go what we call dual fuel which is basically a heat pump that will run on those mild days and then um, where you live Arch if you had a heat pump though, even with gas backup which is what a dual fuel system is um You probably wouldn't see the gas kick on all that often I wouldn't think uh Ryan says I Haven't run into people not offering heat pumps or inverters, but have had contractors speak against dual fuel setups not refusing to install though. so interesting. Um considering I just went over dual fuel I I uh I'm wondering what they uh, were saying against that Ryan please share that I'm just out just out of curiosity is that you know something that they uh I don't know I mean why would they? Why would they be against that? That's interesting Um Ryan said I Have had one contractor say that he recommends single stage because they are simple to work on and less costly in his experience, but he would still quote a higher efficiency system.

Yeah, that is an argument that a lot of guys will say. You know they'll say, well, it's more expensive, it's more expensive to repair a higher end system and um, you know that actually is true. Um, and it's a valid argument. but my, you usually my rebuttal to that is first of all, a lot of these systems are coming with 10 12 year warranties and so you know the part cost doesn't even become a factor until later on.

and you know you've saved so much money over the years that by the time that time comes, um, you know it's it. You know is usually not quite as as big of a deciding factor. Now you know you could always point out little Parts here and there that do just simply cost more and I can think of one brand in particular that they just think their parts are made of gold I think but um, that being said, I think that. um I think first of all, the the parts themselves, they don't In my opinion.

In my experience, they don't fail as often. Control boards might be the one exception to that rule. but I mean when it comes to inverter compressors, do they go bad? Sure, but not as often. I've seen a lot of single stage and two-stage compressors fail and very, very few inverter systems have failing compressors.

You know that, and that's there's I Think there's a couple reasons for that. I think number one: I think that there's just less of them out there in general. but I also think that they do hold up better. Um, you know they just last longer, you know if if installed correctly.

I think an inverter compressor will last the life of the system. Um, that may be a controversial um opinion, but I I've just they just don't fail that often they're they're not as often. Anyway, in my experience, let's see: John says Josh Do you feel the dike and fit is unusually good at humidity control in Mid-Atlantic the past few weeks? Or it's mostly a function of it being an inverter variable speed? F In and communicating fan and communicating I Think that uh, you know the fit itself has the same technology that a really high-end um uh oh I moved a cable out of the way and then my computer or my camera went blank bear with me. Guys, it would not be a live show if I didn't have an issue I Swear.

Hang on guys. I Watched some other live shows and they don't have the issues that I have. So I need to get better at this stuff. Uh, hopefully you guys can see me now.

Uh, but I I think just the the plain and simple John is uh, the Dike and Fit seems to have the same technology that a higher end inverter system a 20 Seer for example has. It has that same communicating inverter technology and so in general they just dehumidify better. I Can tell you that, um, there are tests being done trying to compare those and that might be something we might be able to show in a later video where we're going to try to compare the fit in general to. you know some of these non-communicated inverter systems and show how much better at dehumidification that they are.

Um, and then you know, maybe even show a comparison with a single stage system as well. So let's see. let me see if I can adjust this too. Come on there We go get my fat face in the center here.

Art says all the estimates we were given were for single stage 13.4 and 14 Seer Package Heat pumps Arch when are you going to pull the trigger pal? You've been getting uh quotes for a long time. Ed says my only option is geothermal or heat pumps had geothermal but both systems failed due to acidic well water. ouch Yeah I think there's uh things. we don't do a lot of work on geothermal so I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I know all there is to know but I know you can treat those systems with different types of chemicals to extend the life of those.

the acidity and things like that and the hardness and a lot of the water that we use Arch says I laughed the other day when a saw on I think it's I I saw an advertisement for propane and a clean and economical fuel source. I've never seen propane reasonably priced here in Arizona yeah I mean I don't I've seen it go up and down. There have been times as I said where I saw propane seem to come down a little bit. you know, just like we saw gasoline come down a few years ago.

You know sometimes there's things going on in the world that will affect gas prices and propane seems to do the same. Our heat pump never our heat pump never didn't a very good job heating our house. went in got Bell 40 degrees Times Like These we wish we had natural gas furnace Ed says I travel a lot and I since I put in a mini split I see many install everywhere and nowadays yeah my uh my wife laughs she says she never even noticed heating and Air systems until she met me and for wait we haven't done it in a while. but one thing we used to do is I'm such a nerd.

We would be out on like you know, a date or something, we'd just be out in public and we would see heating and air systems far away and try to guess what brand it is just from the look of the system you know? So you get up closer and you see what brand it actually is. So it's funny how that works. It's sort of like if you buy a car. if you go buy you know a Jeep tomorrow how many Jeeps you notice on the road that you never noticed before? Um and same goes for if you buy you know uh a Ford Focus you know you start noticing all the other Ford focuses John says do you still install Goodman and Amana since Dyken bought them I noticed Daikin has equal now re released the fit to a Mana as the s model version seems identical.

Yes, it is identical. It does not have the same controller it doesn't have the Daikin one but it is basically the same uh specs and Tech it's basically a fit relabeled. Um, do I still install them I don't We installed Goodman for a long time as our Builder grade brand. Um and so it made the switch to Daikin quite easy when I was able to make that switch.

A true story. I've never installed in a Mana I've worked on a bunch of them. Um, there's not a real good supplier in our area for Amana and I only know of one other company that ever installed them, so there's just not as many around here. Arch says Josh You need to convince Daikin to make a fit to replace package heat pump.

You'd be surprised that all the houses and businesses that have rooftop package heat pumps. Yeah! Arch I Think that they're so focused on the you know the the switches with the A2l, refrigerants and everything. but I do know that that's something that I I don't think it's just Daikin I Think you're going to see more brands in the future in general start coming out with more Technologies Whether it be inverter or just some other form of being more efficient, you're going to see more heat pumps going that I mean heat pumps? Uh, package systems going that route I Think you're going to see that just because the minimums you know for the efficiencies will eventually go up anyway. But um, but I think that that will probably happen someday Arch Just not tomorrow.

Emery says what is the most expensive HVAC system on the market uh I don't know the answer to that I've never, but um I would guess I could probably guess what brand it belongs to, but I'm not going to do that. There's one brand that it just seems like they think that you know their parts and their everything is just outrageously priced. It seems like to me I mean you know there's guys selling their stuff so maybe they disagree. But yeah, SFL says new codes coming for AC always John says I Noticed the dike in communicating traditional format has a higher CO2 Max 22 than the fit Max 17 for some same tonnage.

Is this a function of the size of the condenser outside? Yes, it's It's all about the size of the coil. Um, let me look at one thing. There's one thing that I know that you guys don't because of my trip to Daikin And let me look up real quick and see if I'm allowed to share that. Give me just a second.

we have a new video. We have a video coming with some of the new products anyway. Um, yes I can talk about it according to this email. So I hope I hope that's true because I'm about to spill the beans on something.

So when we went to our Daikin trip, I'm gonna give you guys first access just because John is asking. uh I can tell you that Daikin is working on and it will be coming out soon. Um, in fact I think they have already announced it. uh in certain circles.

Um, but I don't know if it's on their website yet, but they are coming out with their with what they're calling the Enhanced Fit and so it's going to be a higher efficiency rating. It's going to meet some of the Inflation Reduction Act standards and that will be a part of a video we have coming up with. um so I almost feel like I'm doing something wrong. uh, throwing this news out there.

but I think they have announced it so it's not like I'm telling you anything that ha they haven't kind of sprinkled out there a little bit. I just don't think it's on their website yet. if it, maybe it is and maybe I'm wrong. but um, but yeah.

so they're working on what they're calling the Enhanced Fit and it's going to be still a side discharge unit. For those of you that don't know what the fit looks like, give me just a second images. So if you guys see my screen this is this is kind of what a dike and fit looks like. it's a side discharge unit.

It still works. It's not a mini split. Some people see these side discharge units and they think they're mini splits but um, it's a conventional it can be paired with as an AC or heat pump and they are like I said coming out with what they're calling the Enhanced Fit very soon. Uh, let's see Brian says I listen to you, read my text and cringe I'm I sometimes if I if I see a typo and I'm reading, you know what you guys are typing.

um then I'll you know I'll try to just fill in what I think it says but sometimes I'm just I struggle understanding what some of the things are saying. you know and unfortunately we are live. So Tech Junkie says John could be that there's other things that are done too. The fit is just that.

it fits. Brian says Daikin one is overpriced stat Bosch has a good package unit Cyclone Laundry uh Brian I'm curious if you've looked at some of, uh, the higher end stats from um I'm not going to mention any other brands, but there's a few other brands that I think are quite overpriced on their stats as well. Cyclone Laundry says looking to replace a five-ton package unit and considering a two head mini split system but was told by one vendor that the CFM output will be much less. Is this true? Looking to replace a five-ton package unit considering a two head wonders? So I think what you're saying is you currently have a five ton ducted system and you're going to be replacing it with a it says a two head mini split system so I don't know if those are ducted or ductless but it says you're saying that they're saying that they won't have the same CFM so the same air being pumped out of them and and and and in short, the answer to that question is yes, uh, that is true.

Um, but there's a reason for that. So many splits and all inverter systems in general uh ramp down at times so they're just barely running at times unlike an older single stage system which I'm assuming your package unit was. And so these systems instead of these up down up down in energy where these these spikes and energy. they're meant to figure out how to keep your temperature in your house and then run at the lowest speed possible.

Still removing humidity from the home. Still, you know, keeping you know if you if you install a five ton mini split system, it'll still have the same capacity as a five ton. Anything else, five tons is five tons. It's just the operation is different.

So when variable speed fans first came out, a lot of us heating and air guys had this um, this task in front of us of educating consumers that hey, if you're used to your curtains blowing back every time the system turns on, well that is no longer going to happen, that this system is at times going to just barely be running. In fact, there were a a while there where if you didn't educate the consumer about that then they may even be unhappy. And so now I think times are changed and people are more um you know, used to those types of products and so they're not quite as unhappy when they notice that a system is not blowing us as long as it's keeping temperature right. they're okay with it not blowing back their curtains.

but you know just from your question I'm assuming that that's what you're saying and and yes, so mini split or any inverter system is going to at times just barely be running. Tech Junkie says: have you ever have you ever know the Daikin one thermostat to be incorrect? Issues with Temp Swings Today the unit has maintained 74. It's now 76 but the unit is still running and cooling. We have had a few Daikin ones that we've had to replace and luckily when they're not working correctly Daikin has never they.

you know they don't give us a hard time. You know some Brands when you you know they want you to get on the phone with tech support and then tech support doesn't want to answer their phones and you got to sit there and wait. And some some houses we service, we don't even get good cell phone reception. so I mean it's just a giant battle.

whereas with Daikin when we see one of the thermostats malfunctioning, we just get a new thermostat, throw it on the wall, make sure it's going to run correctly, and then just return the old one under warranty Arch says I Haven't gotten any quotes since June and we're using a couple affordable heat pumps. It was just it was. it was the hottest July on record Yeah! Arch If you made it through this year, uh shoot you. You might just be fine with some window units because this year at least here in Virginia we just had uh this past weekend the hottest days I think they said in in decades like we we tied some record back in the 1800s or so I don't know I don't know how they do all that but I know it was hot I mean the heat index it was 108.

uh one day Jason welcome to the show says not sure about residential I'm heavy commercial and Daikin are some of the better ones I Really like their WMC Chiller and the Turbo core compressors I uh I'm the other way around pal I don't even know what those are I know what a chiller is but I've never worked on any of that stuff. My dad actually works in a Daikin applied Factory so he's he works in one of the custom commercial factories where they make their units here in Virginia So pretty cool and it I didn't get into heating and air because he worked there and he didn't start working there because I started a heating and air company. It just kind of worked out how we both took different paths in life and ended up still in some way working for the same company. although I don't work for Daikin I do sell their stuff Emery says Linux Ed says Mitsubishi Oh you guys y'all are guessing on the brands that I'm glazing over Gary says Josh Wanted to say congrats on your video presentation for the Daikin facility.

Great work! Will there be a part two? I Was just asked that today there won't necessarily be a part two to that particular video, but there is going to be a part two, three, four, five. maybe even up to say 15 or 20 videos because in that video you're seeing clips of say, interviews that we did. We're going to show more in-depth videos of some of those folks and I'm actually going to be going back to the factory to do some other cool things here coming up. they've got a podcast that they've invited me to speak on, which is kind of cool, you know.

I I Have to pinch myself that you know that they would even invite me to something like that I grew up in a trailer park so you know the uh, it's not hard to be humble about some of this. you know it's it's just crazy. but um, they've also so that'll be uh, next month and then also in October We're going to be going back down for an event that they're doing for some, um, some of their potential dealers so that'll be fun and um, and I hope to get even more footage. I'm taking cameras with me when I go and uh, they're probably they're probably they'll get tired of it after a while.

I'll just be sticking a camera in their face constantly. but um, no, it's it's just it's definitely been. it's been cool. It was cool to do that video and we're gonna do more videos just from that one trip.

Um I've already got a couple lined up I've just got to get and it's a long story. but I've got to get a few things in a lined up. Um, and so anyway Brian says sometimes your prices are related to the relationship with the vendor. That's very true.

Very very true. So this one brand that I keep bringing up that: I'm not too too keen on their pricing I've got dealers in our area that sell that brand well. they've got to be selling it for a reason. So the only thing I can assume is they must get better pricing than I do because the pricing that they give me as someone that's not a dealer um I think is, uh, astonishing at times to be honest with you.

when their part. like for example, if I were to order a heat kit tomorrow for one of their systems, it's literally three and four times the price that some of the other brands sell. And you might say, well, Josh their heat kits are that much better. No, they're not, they're just not.

Ryan says part one: How do you feel about flat rate prices I Really recently made two high cost Home Improvement standby generator, water heater and I knew the price of the units and didn't mind paying an expert. And then part two I knew the price of the units by simply searching online. In the HVAC industry, it seems like the manufacturers Distributors and contractors had the unit prices from the customers. and then oh, part three: no transparency I don't need itemized lists, just the cost of the unit itself.

and I understand overhead and profit I Just want to know what I'm buying? Yeah I Think there's pros and cons to uh flat rate pricing? uh I Can tell you that a lot of brands or a lot of companies go to Flat Rate when they have figured in all their costs and profit is the other thing you know. So they they are trying to come up with a price that they are you know, creating profit and and the I think there it works two ways. So the first way is the company can say to the customer look, this is my price to do this job. Whether it's going to take me 10 minutes or 10 hours, this is our price and you know it eliminates where customers might say because if you're charging them time and material, the customer might say oh well, you charged me for two hours but you're really only here for an hour and 29 minutes, you know.

So that's that's another reason some guys will look at flat rate. I Can tell you at our company we do flat rate for some things and and it's not even like a flat rate book we just give them an upfront price like this is going to be our price no matter how long it takes us and then on some things we don't know what we're about to get into so we'll we will do a a time and material price where we'll say hey you know the the meter's running we're gonna get we're going to dive into this and we're going to do it the best way we can as fast as we can. but uh this is going to be one of those ones that we just can't give you an upfront price. and so I think the other argument that a lot of heating and air guys make with the whole flat rate pricing is they feel that they're penalized to be better at their job.

Now you guys may disagree with this as a homeowner I That's fine I'm just trying to tell you the argument that I've heard made and the story that a lot of guys will tell is how these companies will hire. There's this story this this old Fable of this boat where nobody could get the motor running in this boat. it's gigantic ship and and so they hired all these people and they couldn't get it running, couldn't get it running and then all of a sudden this old timer shows up and takes a little hammer and pecks on the side and gets it running within 10 minutes and then sends them a bill for four thousand dollars and so they said well Look, you were only here for three minutes and and and the Fable reads well, you didn't pay me for my time, you paid me for what I know. So the point is, a lot of guys will argue I get better as time goes on at my job.

So now I can do a job in 10 minutes that it used to take me 10 hours years ago and so you're not paying for my time, you're paying for the work that I did I've gotten really fast at what I do and so that's why they will argue and say that they're going to charge a flat rate price for the same job. so I don't know. Again, you can argue against that. Um I will say and the last thing I'll say on that subject is there are companies out there that come up with these flat rate books.

Um, flat rate? Um, tactics, Sales tactics where they will have almost like a good, better best and and all that and and all that's fine. You know companies do what they need to do to make money and stay in business, but I do think that there are companies out there that are teaching Heating and Air Guys how to take advantage of people right or wrong, you may. As a pro, you may disagree with that. but I think if you go into a house and the control board's bad and you have a price to replace the control board, a price to replace the control board plus a bunch of other items that are not necessarily broken and and then all these you know, higher tiers and their flat rate book.

Um, when they're replacing parts that don't necessarily need to be replaced as a sales tactic I I Do think that that's a little disingenuous. That's just my feeling. A lot of people can disagree with that, but that's just how I feel to me. If the Control Board needs to be replaced and you just charge a high price to fix that, then you just charge a high price to fix that and and and just be transparent with the customer.

You just say hey, you know the control Ward's bad And here's the price of the control board. and I'm a I'm a premium company and this is what I charge to replace that part. I'm not going to have any fancy sales tactics you you? if you want that, you know that's not me. I'm expensive.

but you know there's a reason why I'm expensive. I'm good at what I do is is is the idea that some guy. So anyway I'll get off all that but you kind of made me go down a rabbit hole there. Ryan uh, which you are good at you.

You've done that to me a couple times. but I uh, that's just my feeling. and I know we're getting behind on some comments here. So I'm sure some of you guys might be weighing in on this too, but it's just how I feel about it.

I think that, uh, there. There are a few companies out there where they're teaching guys how to take advantage of people and that's just how I feel um, right or wrong? You know, my whole my whole YouTube channel is to try to combat that and and educate homeowners a little better, you know? But some of these guys are. You know they're just I don't I just don't think I think it's a little skeezy. You know when they do their conferences and invite heating and air companies in and teach them how to take advantage of people, they're not teaching them how to fix air conditioners better.

They're teaching them how to have fancy sales tactics and take advantage of homeowners. To me, it's a little distant. it's just it's a little dirty. I Mean that's just me Arch says if my wife doesn't divorce me, we're waiting until the Federal Point of Purchase rebates come out on the energy efficient heat pumps.

Plan on buying a two-stage 15.2 CR2 or Seer but it's I'm sure that's sear too heat pump if it qualifies. I'm sure she won't Arch you sound like a great guy. She'll stick around. Bucky Welcome to the show I Don't think I've seen your name before any experience with the DZ non-vc What advantages does The Fit have over it? Uh, yes, we we've installed several of those and I I Think the main thing that the Fit has is that it's smaller.

It's it will fit in some places that the Dz9 will not. Um, so the Dz9 is basically the newer version of the Dz20s that we used to install a bunch of and now we've installed several of the Dz9s and they're basically you know the you know, they're basically the same unit. There might be a few upgrades, but they're just. they now have a 19 Point whatever.

19.3 CR2 rating? Uh Inver still inverter and all of that. But the the fit really is. It's more budget friendly and it's a smaller unit smaller coil. That's why it's got a lower sear rating and of course it's side discharge.

But um, other than that, you know the Dz9 is going to be more efficient. You know, because it's a higher Seer system Tech Junkie says I'd buy something much more efficient than that Jason says I'll work on a lot of Vrv34s Brian says overpriced stats is not good for this group Emery says can I use an evaporator coil that is size larger than the condenser. Yes, a lot of companies do that to get higher sear ratings. Brian says Bosch five ton is nice package I am not uh late I have not installed one of those Bosch package units but I have worked on one and I think they're pretty sweet.

yeah American Patriot Welcome to the show says I Want to thank you for the information on this channel. You saved me so much money, headache and frustration. Thank you again I Really appreciate everything. You definitely know your info.

Thanks pal! Appreciate that I Don't know if I know everything but I know enough to uh, get in trouble Tech Junkie says Cyclone whatever the end result is, five ton is never the answer in a residential setting. Um well I mean I think if the house calls for five tons then it probably needs five tons Ryan says the contractor spoke out about the dual fuel system because it's more expensive up front to install. His experience seems to say heat pumps are more expensive to run in my area. yeah, but they're not that much more that they're not that much more.

and if you're gonna save money in my experience, You're Gonna Save Now again, if it's natural gas, that's different. Natural gas is still cheap these days, but if it's LP I've got customers that putting in a dual fuel system. They've saved hundreds hundreds with a with an S hundreds of dollars per month by switching to a Uh to a dual fuel system, um obviously I can't guarantee that for every house and every situation but that uh I've had multiple customers do that. I'm going to take a quick break from the comments here.

We uh usually have segments where we will do. you know, breakout segments where we'll focus on other things. Uh, sometimes I do goofy inventions sometimes I do ask the audience questions and that's what we're going to do tonight. So tonight I'm gonna ask you what is the uh, worst Hva I Think we asked this question a week or two ago, but I'm going to ask it again.

Please share a an HVAC Horror Story maybe a story of something that you've had that you've dealt with with your heating and air system or a heating and air company share us with with us at an HVAC Horror Story Um and uh, love to hear about that. Jason says the building I'm going to tomorrow is all Daikin that has Vrv, four Rtus 100 ton split systems. Good luck pal! that's uh, some of those can be a head scratcher but I know they also have. You know you guys have some software and things like that that you can use to do troubleshooting.

Hopefully it's just a trip breaker Tech Junkie says Ryan that is a calculation you can do, but you need to know your BTU usage. It's likely about the same and I could see the future of being expensive for anything other than electric. Arch says Tech junkie if it's within our budget and reliable I'll look into a higher sear package unit. however I really don't want a unit with all the bells and whistles because it will be costlier to fix.

Alex says do you recommend an AC slim style inverter for a central AC central air system or would you recommend going with a regular single stage Square AC Style Alex that's a loaded question I would probably defer to your local contractors I can tell you if you were a customer of mine, that would be an easy answer and I would probably tell you to take a look at the dike and fit because we sell Daikin and Daikin uh fits. Are you know they're inverters, They're communicating technology, They're efficient, they're quiet, they're um, much more comfortable because they don't up and down constantly and they dehumidify better. That's my my quick answer. but I think ultimately Alex you just need to get um, some quotes.

You need to find the best contractor in your area and then go with what they recommend. Brian says big issue with new tight houses. They don't need to cool as much the AC has been. only the AC has been the only dehumidifier.

in a humid cool day. muggy occurs Jason says it's been 109 here in Austin Texas heat index of 121. wow, that's crazy yeah I was in Houston uh for Daikin the Daikin trip a couple weeks ago and the the heat index was almost 110. So I can't imagine what 121 feels like.

you guys man, y'all are powering through Tech Junkie says I was privileged to be a part of the dehumidification webinar with Brian Orr and a lady from Santa Fe Dehumidifiers a real eye-opener how new units are actually working. Dehu is now a requirement in my opinion. Interesting, of course, that's what Santa Fe Dehumidifiers is going to say. Just kidding Brian says what about air-to-water heat pumps I think uh, it depends on the situation, but um, that's something we see a whole lot more over in.

Europe Although we are seeing them, um, more and more over here. um I think one of you the other night, uh, commented on one that you had installed or or at least quoted. so I don't think they're as prevalent here and I don't necessarily think that's a good thing. but I think that guys install and and sell what they're used to as well.

John says Josh Is the enhanced fit going to skew their sensible to latent calling ratio to impress feds like other manufacturers, but leave consumers struggling to deal with humidity? No. I think the enhanced fit is just going to be a much more efficient, larger coil probably version of the fit. Uh, Tech Junkie says Brian stupid expensor for What Little it offers John says it's time to buy a dime at a dehumidifier, there is no way around that a higher efficiency unit John says is the enhance fit oh did I go backwards? This is the same question I must have went backwards Chuck Tech Junkie says besides, a dehumidifier with ventilation will offer much more than a solo AC heat pump system Brian says let me know when I'll try to get a dealer to pay for it I can visit I'm gonna maybe even skip over some of y'all's comments to each other. He must be talking about a train I'm not talking about train when I'm talking about the pricing Debbie says 407c is a better option.

better option for what I think 407c isn't that a I think that's a drop in for R22 or replacement. Yeah, it's an R22 replacement Richard says I have a 19 year old air flow unit can I still get compressors for the unit? If so, where uh I don't know pal? um, airflow there flow. Let's see it says that's a Linux product I I've never heard of that brand. to be completely honest with you.

Um, we don't have that brand in my area. but that doesn't mean that it's good or bad, it just means I've never heard of it. Um, and it's also not uncommon for companies to sell you know the same products under rebranded names. Um and I'm trying to find their website.

Airflow is an economical brand of HVAC HVAC units produced by Linux The Airflow product line includes gas furnaces, blah blah blah blah yeah. I Don't know pal. I mean 19 years, uh old? it? so I Can tell you that if it was made by some Brands it probably wouldn't be available. but you know you can try with your local Linux supplier um or some of their brands you know.

so maybe maybe it cross references with say a Duquesne or Armstrong Um, you know and that and the same part will go in there. Jason says 407c with Poe oil? Yes, mineral oil? No. John says are you a fan of preheating for humidity control rather than a supplemental dehumidifier? Um I mean in our area, it's very humid. so if if a home needs a dehumidifier, there are things we can do to get the heating and air system to dehumidify better.

Um, sometimes getting that refrigerant spot on one. you know we've had customers that their systems. you know, whether the sub cools off or whatever reason. uh, maybe the the coils are dirty.

Whatever the reason is, it's not dehumidifying better. We can sometimes adjust airflow and also, you know, clean the coils and things like that to try to get that system to dehumidify better. Um, but in the end, in my area, if they need a dehumidifier, a lot of times they need a dehumidifier. Debbie says best brand with that refrigerant is what I'm seeking.

Um, yeah we don't, We don't install that. uh R22 equipment around here Debbie So I I'm not sure where you're located. um, but you know we're we install Daikin which you know they're going to be doing R32 Um so I'm not really sure. um Brian says we should do lunch I agree Brian let me know.

reach out to uh Griffin air or at my office and uh, maybe we can hook that up. Um Tech junkie says why do you want 407c Yeah, I'm not I'm confused on that too. Jason says knowing where to strike at 39 Chase's says next year is 25 years in the HVAC trade. Congrats pal! Do something on your bucket list.

Man, life is short. Um, let's see, dehumidifiers are so energy efficient loud Etc I think you probably mean not energy or yeah, yeah, right. sorry. I read it wrong.

Energy inefficient. I actually agree with you on that. Um, foreign. at least some of them anyway.

Some of them can be quite pricey at times, but some again sometimes folks. um, you know, sometimes folks need what they need. You know Brian says nice hat thanks Brian If we do lunch, I'll bring you a hat just remind me Cyclone says thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences I Enjoy listening in and always trying to learn. Thank you for your kind words.

um Brown says I don't and can't sell off government anything Arch says I'll talk to an HVAC contractor who said he took seminars on how to upsell as customers but said he recommends the lowest Seer units to his residential customers because of the lower price. Yeah, I mean here's the thing. so you guys are bringing back that, bringing back up the pricing and the selling and all of that I don't think I think it's okay to say to a consumer hey, I'm going to recommend a higher end product or a higher price as long as you have a good reason for it you know? Um, but simply recommending that they replace Parts on their system that are not broken to make more money. Um I just think is a little dirty you know? Or if you're trying to sell them a heating and air system when they don't necessarily need a heating and air system yet, you know that's just a little dirty.

That's I mean that's I don't know I I Unfortunately, a lot of those guys are the reason our industry sometimes gets a bad name and a lot of you guys know that because you tell me, uh, Emery says how does a dual fuel system work Um, so that's a loaded question. I Can tell you in general, you know there's exceptions to every rule, but basically a dual fuel system is a typically a heat pump system outside and then some sort of fossil fuel backup. Um, so whether that could be gas, it could be oil, it could be some sort of hydronics. Things like that.

But usually I would say in our area usually it's going to be some sort of gas furnace backup and so what it'll do is it'll run off that heat pump and then it'll have a lockout temperature. So if it gets below a certain temperature, a balance point temperature. We even did a video talking about figuring out what your house what that balance point temperature is and so let's just say it's 30 degrees. So if it gets below 30 degrees, it's going to run gas.

If it gets above 30 degrees and you have it in heating mode, it's going to run off of heat pump. Um, so that's in a snapshot how a dual fuel system works. Jason says my co-worker stepped on a fire sprinkler line, flooded the whole house. 275 thousand dollars in damage.

That's pretty crazy. That must be a nice house for them to have sprinklers in the house and it being almost three hundred thousand dollars in damage. Brian says what is your service area? Um, so we live in Middlesex and we in Virginia and we service everywhere within an hour for the most part. Um, and so we have some customers in King William Um, even though that's a little far for us and we do have some customers down in the West Point New Kent areas so we don't come to quite quite to Richmond or Mechanicsville So um Tech Junkie says five tons for a home is outrageous and if it needs one, then it likely can be done with two smaller and more efficient quiet units.

Some five ton units don't even put out five tons. Yeah, I don't know, pal. I Mean we we see Five Tone systems from time to time in our area. but I agree.

I mean especially if it's a a house with an upstairs and downstairs? I'm gonna do two. you know, like a three and a two, or a two and a half or whatever whatever the the house calls for. but um, you know, sometimes the system was installed that way and you know, maybe it's a five-ton system with zoning? maybe it's no zoning, and maybe it's just a big home with high ceilings. You know, just depends.

Brian says reheat is cheaper than is cheap dehumidifier I installed the air to water heat pump John Says can anyone identify an excellent consultant to do a manual? J D Most contractors in my area either refuse to do so, disparage, or fake them. John I've got a guy. Um, if you reach out to our office, I've got a guy that um I will tell you we get a lot of YouTube calls and my office will sometimes ignore them because we get so many people just call and they're like I need to talk to Josh and I've got questions and so she'll usually send them to our website. new HVAC Guide New Hvacguide.com Um, but you know I just don't have time to run a company and answer every time somebody calls.

but John if you call and tell her, tell her you know that I said for you to call and that you're just looking for the guy that does manual J um calculations we can hook you up with somebody Bird Dog says I'm looking for a variable speed 4 ton without all the bells and whistles in Houston what brand is more Bare Bones without all of the extras uh I mean there are several Brands It's not even a brand thing so even the higher end brands are going to have you know systems that are less bells and whistles. so I would focus more on finding a good contractor and going with a you know, just tell them I Want a simple system I Don't want bells and whistles I don't want I don't want you know? get Give me the give me the thermostat with the bulb on it uh Arch says I don't have any personal HVAC horror stories to comment on but a local HVAC salesman told me one of the big heavy set technicians foot went through a customer's flat roof. Oh my gosh man. I uh I'm sure they um the customer probably expected the technician to pay for that, but you know is that technician really responsible if the if the roof is so weak I don't know I don't know, maybe you guys might disagree Carl says water source heat pumps are a big thing in Southern California Um Bird dog says I have two units a three ton and a and the other is a four ton.

Ed says the geothermal unit had put in from a HVAC company. They didn't braise the line very well and had a very slow leak and they couldn't find the leak. Paid to have it topped off a couple of times. Tell them to add some dye in there, they'll find that leak.

Um, airflow is a Linux Builder model Ed says they finally figured it out but at one point said if I got maintenance it would be easier to find the leak. Let's see I'm just going to skip through y'all some of y'all's comments and see if there's a question in here. Brian Welcome to the show says poor in Michigan What does it cost to replace a carrier evaporator panel? um it just depends. Every Market's different.

Uh, see if you can get a couple quotes you know without having them come to your house. maybe you can even give them the model number and tell them what's wrong and uh, maybe they can give you a at least give you a ballpark figure what that part's going to cost and overall, um Blazer says how do you tell which way the blower in a air handler furnace is supposed to spin? Sometimes they spin backwards. Some Motors are Um reversible so that has happened before. Um or if a motor actually starts to fail, it will sometimes spin backwards.

You know the Um I've seen capacitor Replacements fix that but a lot of times you know the the motor starting to fail. if the original OEM motor is not reversible and it's running backwards a lot of times, that's a sign that it's either failing or about to completely fail. Um American Patriot says well because of you I saved over 3 000 and I appreciate it sir. Nice.

Three thousand dollars. That's great I'm glad to hear that. Um, seeing if I see any more questions in your comments, bear with me. I'm going through a lot of your comments I got a little behind tonight and I don't have a person.

Some of these folks that do these Um shows they um, have a moderator and I just don't have one unfortunately. Um, this comment says do you work for J and B and I'm not familiar unless you're talking about JB Associates Jay and B J and B I don't know I just searched that seeing if it's something I don't know J and B Let's see yeah I'm not seeing uh I don't know what that is pal. Can you give me a little more context? Um, oh Jason you weren't even talking to me. Geez.

I'm I'm a dummy Um Brian says send me the map it's on our website. Um Lenny has a company that borders you Bucky says thank you for the Insight I've been following a while trying to get informed before my Goodman system installed in 2002 dies nice man. You got 21 years on that system. You got your money's worth.

Emory says how come when a system oversized it satisfies the thermostat setting fast and fails to remove humidity. It just simply boils down to it's not running long enough to get that humidity um, out of the house. you know. So it's not actually a dehumidifier.

it's not meant to. Um I think just in by default because of how they work, they dehumidifier from the house, but if that system is oversized and it dehumidifies too fast, you have short cycling and you also have humidity problems. Ryan says what forces the air to flow through the vents harder? What forces the air to the fan speed only or a combination of blower fan speed settings and a tonnage and tonnage of the unit. Yeah, I mean the the.

Obviously the fan speeds and the fan itself plays a big role in that. but there is other things such as um, velocity and duck sizing that can play a role. I Actually saw a tip from a guy this past week and I swore I wouldn't talk about this. but I Saw a guy on a heating and air comp on a website for heating and air techs and he said that ducks can never be oversized and I didn't say any.

I mean I obviously didn't comment on it. I Don't feel like fighting, but uh, I actually disagree with that to a point and the commercial guys would definitely disagree with that now. I I Think to a point when it comes to the return. that is actually true that you know you can oversize the return.

It's no problem. But if you oversize some of your supply ducks, that's when you start having issues where the ducks or the vents that are further from the unit aren't getting enough air, you know. So imagine if you're going to blow through a straw, right? and then all of a sudden you cut a gigantic hole in the side of that straw. you're going to have less air coming out the end of that straw because some of it is now escaping.

and the bigger you cut that hole, the more air vents that are closer to that unit and it's lessening the velocity or the amount of air that's being pushed to those ducts that are further away from the unit. So I'm not sure where he was going with that. Maybe some of you guys saw that if you follow some of the heating and air stuff I Don't know. Maybe some of you heating and air guys might even disagree with me.

but I just thought that was an odd thing for him to say. Um, and he's he was actually representing Akka which is you know, supposed to be the you know, the setting the standard for a lot of guys. Ryan says Horror Story A contractor sent me this picture as proof of their work to install a mini split I ran away. we all have.

we've done that before, right? Emery says can outdoor fans spin backwards? Uh, yes, you know, especially if they're reversible. Um, a couple you guys are talk chatting at each other. Okay, I think we're pretty caught up here. Um, if you do have any questions, any more heating and Air questions, feel free to drop those in the chat.

We're going to be wrapping up here shortly, but we wrap up every show the same way. and so if you've never joined us before or if you're one of our regulars, feel free to join in as well. And so every week we shout out those good companies across the United States and Canada that are doing things right. So if you have a good Heating and Air company in your area that does things good, does things right, feel free to give them a shout out.

Give them a shout out on our show. you have my permission to shout out a good Heating and Air company and also shout out where they are located um, in the country. So that way you can, um, you know, give them some love. You know, maybe somebody in your area might come across your comment shouting out this good company and uh, you know you might even send them a few businesses I mean if few business a little business.

So anyway, I'm trying to read your comments and talk. My dad used to always make fun of me and say I couldn't walk, walk, and chew bubble gum at the same time and multitasking is not my thing. So Bird dog says reflex uh of conventional AC I think he's saying or a conventional AC unit. You know that's a tough question I think that uh I would go with the better contractor I definitely would not go with the reflex if I did.

if I was going to be that company's one of their first com customers installing that unit. um I wouldn't want to be anybody's guinea pig. Whereas you know conventional systems single stage systems, um, you know you might be able to get it straight or whatever. So the grief Flex I Think inverter systems across the board are better in general than a single stage system.

but again, I wouldn't want to be anybody's guinea pig. And the other thing I would just throw out there is I Don't think any of these non-communicating inverter systems are as good as a communicating invertish system. so there are guys out there trying to pretend like they are, but they're just not. Um John says make up air codes are arguably appropriately obsessed with makeup air for a kitchen cooktop vent.

But why is there no concern of dryer vents? They exhaust about 100 CFM that runs for one or two hours. It's a good point. Definitely a good point, especially when you're talking about uh, commercial stuff. Bob says if I survive the heat I'll see you next week.

Happy selling! Thanks Bob Um Emery says meant to ask you but the seeding I think I think you're saying ceiling is leaking and stained. Could that do be due to a faulty HVAC drain pan. Yes, it could be. Um, usually you should have some sort of drain secondary drain pan underneath that system to catch that water.

and if you've got water coming through your ceiling I Would definitely call a pro and get that straight before you have a bigger problem on your hands. Um Ryan says I sent an image of the mini split install to your email. Let me know what you think of that installation I ignored the quote after that I would I will definitely show that on a future show. uh Ryan um if uh, if it's good and it sounds like it is um Ed says Mr cool Just kidding I live eight miles from Ingram's and work in the same industrial park.

No comment on them. Um yeah. so again, if you know of any good heating and air companies out there contractors Ed not uh, not these brands that are uh, posers I shouldn't have said that. um I think that.

uh I will say that I think it's great when you have, there are companies out there trying to come up with better Solutions or more solutions for homeowners. but I just don't think that that is a good company to be doing it in my opinion. Um, and I'm just not going to say why, but they're just. they're just uh I think they're they're uh, they're doing a lot of things that to a lot of people.

let's put it that way. I've got I've got customers of mine that called us and spent a lot of money um and and have been in my opinion taken advantage of we'll We'll say that Emery says what do I do if someone else someone does unlicensed HVAC work You mean on your home. If they did something wrong, you can, um, you can you know if they've done something illegal, you can sue them, you know, or whatever. but if if you're just saying you know of someone out there doing unlicensed HVAC work.

it depends on what state you're in. Some states are stricter than others and some of them, um, will even put people in jail if they're doing things they're not supposed to. so you know if you're asking, who should you call if you want to tattle on them. It depends on where you're at and and all of that.

But I don't know I know of companies running around here that are not licensed and they're doing stuff they shouldn't but I uh I I don't know I don't tattle. but I do think that that it's It's unfortunate because homeowners are a lot of times the ones that pay for it. you know they. But anyway, it's kind of a weird.

um do they pretend to be licensed? Brian says yeah, Some of them will even put license and insured on their credit I mean on their business cards and they're not? Um I know of a company around here that does that and they're not a heating and air company. They do other stuff, but they do. They are not licensed and insured. It's not a good thing.

So anyway, um yeah, and that's why it's okay. if you're a homeowner to ask, you know, hey, can I see your license and insurance? Um, and if you don't want to have that weird awkward, you know if you're the homeowner and you're like, well, I don't want to really start off on the wrong foot and piss off my potential heating and air guy that I could have do business with for years and years to come. um, then just tell them your cousin who lives in another state that does heating and air told you to ask them for it. You know, most companies legit companies with multiple employees.

That's not usually who's doing that stuff. it's the uh, it's the guys that are you know Moonlighting or You know Mom and Pop shops just make make Even even if they're a gigantic company, they should not have a problem with you asking I wouldn't have a problem with it if somebody said hey I need to see a COI a certificate of insurance and I need to see a proof of your uh license. In my state, you can look anybody up right now you can look me up right now on their website and so I wish every state was like that. Um, and you could find out immediately if a company actually is licensed Carl says is Plumbing a part of HVAC work there Plumbing is its own other license.

so we have plumbers, heating and air, electrical and gas fitting and now they've actually they used to be just those four and now they've added a whole bunch more here in Virginia like septic services where they have to have their own license to do that. So anyway, this has by far been our biggest show. More people have been on this live show than any other live show we've done and so that must mean I'm saying something right? probably not you. You know it definitely ain't because of these looks.

um but I do want to say thank you to you guys if you are tuning in and you are not a subscriber. Please Subscribe Uh, we're going to be doing some really cool things coming up and you don't want to miss that. um, things that, um, nobody else is doing things in the heating and air industry. We did the Daikin trip showed you guys behind the scenes and their factory and we're also going to be doing some other things.

Boom! I'm hitting you guys with a little bit of a little teaser. uh I've got another thing that we're going to be doing soon. Um, that showing homeowners a part of our industry that you don't normally get to see either. So stay tuned on that and um, and uh, and so on.

So Brian I don't know what that means? Uh Anyway, so nobody shouted out any good companies tonight. so I'm