Hello, everybody how you all doing tonight, hopefully I'm coming in loud and clear, and you guys can hear me. Okay, you know I usually upload a video Mondays and Fridays and I didn't upload one. On Monday I mean I'm Friday and we had a. I had sent out a post that we had a lightning storm here, and everything has been kooky ever since that my house didn't take a lightning strike, but I just some weird stuff, like I, you know it must destruct somewhere nearby, because I lost a dimmer switch In my garage, I lost a dimmer switch in this office that I'm sitting in right now, the audio on my mixing board went out.

It's just been a cluster F, so anyways kind of pulling my hair out over the weekend, trying to figure it all out and I got a temporary fix on it. So at least we got some audio now but like, for instance, I'm not wearing my headphones right. Now because my headphones aren't working, it's like what a mess so lesson learned, I'm going to when I upgrade some equipment, I'm gon na be getting some surge protectors as if those are really going to help with lightning but hey. I guess anything's better than nothing.

So we will see it's kind of strange, because here in Southern California, we still rarely have lightning. You know nothing like in the Midwest what you guys get, but it's just interesting. Just just so happened the way that it did so see everybody in the cha, hey guys how y'all doing had a little conversation going before the video just kind of talking about drains and different things. You know the video that I uploaded today was on a package unit, and that was actually a request that someone had had.

They wanted me to talk about the need for a p-trap and a negative versus positive air pressure drain system. I'm gon na be honest with you on the commercial side, it's very, very rare that I see a positive pressure drain or a drain pan. That's under positive pressure. Lennox had won many many years ago, a long time ago on some of the really old package units and we had nothing but problems with them where the traps would dry up, and it was just a headache.

I don't know if that's why people have gone away from the trend of using a positive airflow on the the drains. You know who knows, but you know I just thought it was important for people to understand why, on the package units we have to have P traps on majority of them. I should say: okay so and, like I talked about the like, I talked about in the video. You know it's just it's very important that we have a P trap and we understand why we need to have a P trap on our package units.

Okay, especially like I mentioned in the video because on some of the older carrier packaged units, even though the drain was still on the negative air pressure side, they had an internal trap. So you didn't want to add another trap to that, because then it would just be redundant and it could potentially cause problems. So you do have to understand what you're working on you can't just go slap something on there. I think one of the more common things that I see out here is when people don't understand what they're doing when they're, making a trap if they even make a trap and then they'll take the clean out and they won't cap it because the clean out being On the negative air pressure side of the trap, they won't cap, it or they'll, leave it open and then here we as service techs come along.

I have to solve water leak issues, and you know most of the time you just got to plug up a clean. Oh so excuse me so yeah that was a little bit exciting for me over the weekend, just trying to figure out this computer stuff and dealing with all that, but other than that things are going good. You know in the chat I had some questions about. Why I used copper, actually got an email and a couple comments on the YouTube videos too here in Southern California, the Sun is so brutal that PVC drains don't last very long.

They'll get you a year two and you know for some customers. That's probably okay, but me personally, I usually don't give them the option and I just pipe the drains in copper, because I don't want to have to deal with the problems later of a broken trap or when we go out to do a preventative maintenance and we're Pulling the hose past the drain and someone catches it and then rips the trap apart. I don't want the liability, even though it's not my fault, that's hard, explaining that's the cut so when and if possible, I always do my drains in copper and then obviously you guys can see that you know I spent some extra time and went a little crazy On that drain, but you got to understand that's a drain done after the fact you know. If this I don't do new installations, but if I was doing new installations, the customer wouldn't want to pay for a drain like that.

They just want the quickest easiest thing. They could possibly do, but on the flip side, you know when it comes to service. That's that's the hard thing to make customers understand when you're doing installation. They just want the cheapest best fastest.

You know - and they want it to last forever, but they don't necessarily want it to be serviceable. So if we could go out and do a drain like I did on this system with multiple clean outs and multiple unions, every single time, heck yeah - let's do it, but you know I'm practical and I realize that drain cost the customer like 90 bucks. So, just for the drain, with all the fittings and everything that I used on, I those those unions are like $ 12. Each they're, nuts, Home Depot's get an arm and a leg for them.

So it's not practical to do it on the install, but you know win and if possible, it's the best way to do it. So that way you can you can you know service, it better, see the guys in the chat. Hey there, Billy how you doing today. Hey guys, yeah, do me a favor HVAC James on the job made a good point.

You guys hit the thumbs-up button on the video guys that really helps me out. I'd appreciate it. If you guys could do that so for the people just coming in, we were just kind of recapping a little bit about the drains. Okay, I was kind of addressing a few questions.

I'll go over the quick ones. Real quick was copper drain lines. That's a real big thing out here because of the Sun. The Sun comes and kills everything in the heat and they just dry the drain lines out and they break so we tend to use copper another one in it's always something that I've been curious about too.

When I see other people's videos and other people's pictures, I noticed that the Midwest and back east you guys drain your condensate drains on the roof without running them down. You know through the building or anything like that out here. I honestly don't do enough installs to know the code exactly, but I was doing some a little bit of research right now and I couldn't really find a code saying you had to drain them into a drain. But I did find a code saying that if you had like, for instance, a 90 system or something like that, it has to be drained into the drain because uh you know of the combustible materials that could potentially are not combustible.

But the you know that what am I trying to say you know the the drain, the condensation from the combustible gases. I should say if you had a furnace that had a ninety percent. I know you have to be draining those you can't be draining those on the ground because that'll eat holes in the roof, but you know my ACS that I'm doing even still there always plumbed down into the building, we hardly ever drain them onto the roof. Every once in a while will drain into like a roof drain, we specifically have a code that says you can't drain onto a walkway, so, for instance, if I drain them to a roof drain, most of the time those come out into like planners and different things And then eventually, because we have so much condensation here because of the heat eventually it'll, overflow, the planners and then it'll go out onto the sidewalk.

So I do know that we can't do that. So you know some restaurants. They won't realize they'll have a primary and a secondary roof trained and the primary will plug up and then the secondary will typically drain onto the ground down by the parking lot and then that'll drain all over the street and that's a massive code violation. So you know yeah, we we typically out here, see our drains going into plumbing lines and then going down into the sewers.

That's like a common thing and, like I said I always thought it was kind of funny, because I see everybody else on you know in the Midwest and back east just draining them onto the roof. So it's interesting too. I almost wonder if we have like different roofing standards because all of our roofs leak water constantly out here, I'm sure it has something to do with the heat and the dry air that we have. But I mean constantly I'm seeing customers having to redo their roofs and do all kinds of stuff to him.

So you know if, if I was to drain just a drain on to the roof, I'd be worried about roof leak. You know, but we also don't get that much rain here, so I imagine there's something different in there, but I bet you anything. It has something to do with the dry, warm air that we have here and probably messes up the roof or something like that. So we've just recently started getting into the trend of using those.

What are those rubber roofs that is it PTO, material or whatever that horrible white stuff that blinds you. That's like the new trend right now, because before we just had like the roof, tar paper, stuff or whatever, I don't know what that stuff's called, but just usually a mess but yeah. The new trend is, is those rubber roofs and those are cool, but then they suck when you're doing work on the roof, because then you're responsible for putting holes in the roof all over the place or you're installing stuff or you drop. You know sharp objects and it's like then it penetrates the roof.

So not a super big fan of those for that reason, but so so yeah I just kind of recap'd about the drains draining onto the roof. Pvc drain lines kind of covered that a little bit but yeah, just not a big fan, but I will say I did mention in the comments. I really do appreciate an easy trap. Just for the simplicity of being able to see in the drain line.

You know the easy traps with the clear lines they don't last very long. I have like two customers that have them on the roof and I'll be honest with you. They come out of the AC, go through the plastic, easy trap, and then they go into copper and I've actually replaced them multiple times with just the easy traps. Just because I like the way that they work, even though I realized that, if I put copper in there, it would last a lot longer there's something about those easy traps that I like just being able to clean them out and see inside of them.

But they do get sun damage really quick being outside. I don't even know if they're supposed to be outside to be honest with you, because I don't know how UV protected they are or anything, but that's just a big thing out here. You know we got a lot of codes about the Sun, the UV stuff. You know our insulation supposed to be UV rated and all that fancy stuff you're supposed to paint your insulation.

We hardly ever do it, but you know if you're doing a new install and exposing it. They want you to do all that good stuff, because the Sun just destroys it quick style so yeah. So that's kind of it about the drains guys unless anybody else had any questions about the drains. I don't think there's a whole lot to cover on those.

I will say: I'm interested, don't know if any of you guys in the chat have used them, but I'm interested in that new setup where they are someone I've seen it on social media. It's that drain that it it's got like multiple tees and then one's going to the positive air pressure side and then one's going to the negative air pressure side and I'm sure there's a name for it. Someone the chat, will probably come up with it. I've seen them done on some packaged units.

It looks kind of interesting to me. I don't know how well they work they're supposed to like prevent, clogs or something by using the positive pressure, it's kind of whatever read about it. So I thought that was interesting. Jeff, could you use conduit as a drain? No, are you talking about like galvanized conduit or something like that? No because it would rest out real, quick, dude we'd.

Destroy that hydro pump. Is that what that drain systems called, I don't know yeah. I could look and see if I could pull it up. I can google it real, quick and see if I can pull this goofy thing up.

I don't even know what to call it, though, hang on a second. Let me see if I can find the name of this thing, what a see wow, that's not it yeah! I don't know the name of it. I'm not gon na sit here and look forever on the internet. I probably would have been better prepared.

Have this drain set up, I I know there's a it's interesting too. If you've seen them, though I'll keep in the comments, maybe someone will come up with the name of it or something like that, but it's an interesting drain mechanism that it uh. It's got all kinds of pipes running all over the place and it's supposed to like prevent the trap from getting plugged up or something like that. So yeah thought it's interesting, but so orange popsicle.

You asked if I have to cover the PVC pipe for UV protection. I'm sure that you do you guys, I honestly, don't know a lot of the codes, because I don't do new installations, so I really don't have to deal with that stuff too much. I'm trying to think, though, but I mean I've seen new installs come with PVC drains. I just know that they suck but yeah.

I honestly don't know the the legal codes and stuff okay, John, so there's no trap on it. Do you know what it's called I'd? Be interested to know what that thing is called hey. I've seen some pictures of it, but Hg you're, not you'll amen. We've only been going for a few minutes only for 12 minutes man.

So no big deal no worries. It's all good dude, we'll probably come up. Sean price - I'm gon na answer a couple questions here, guys before I get way behind Sean price. You asked what my HVAC probes are they're the field piece: smart probes, it's the field, piece, job link, probes.

I was a big fan of measure, quick and I'm sorry, big fan of the I manifold and I have like way too much money invested in all their products, but I haven't been a fan lately with the software and everything that they got going on. So I jumped ship bought into the field piece, JobLink probes, and I have to say that I am blown away with the connectivity and how great the connection is, I will still say: I've said it before the I connect wireless probes still have the potential to have Better range because you can repeat them so meaning that you can connect one probe to another to another to another and I can go through a five-story building, no joke. If you you know set, but you have to put the probes all you know every story and different things, but the field piece I've gone up, two stories in a commercial building and and been inside of an aluminum walk-in box and still got connection. So I I'm the field piece ones are kicking ass right now, and field piece has really been working on a lot of their cool stuff going on, I believe.

Actually I know that they just worked on multiple probes on the field piece software. I don't think it's quite come over to measure quick yet, but I know measure clicks on the way, but I know if the field piece probes are working with measure quick, I'm just talking about the multiple probes with the field piece stuff, but I could be wrong. I just don't know for sure if they're going with measure quick yet but but um yeah HVAC, I did i manifold dude, it's embarrassing for me to say, but I'm I'm into it for at least thirty five hundred close to four grand over the years, not all At once, but over the years little bits at a time yeah I bought way into that stuff. So but the repeaters they weren't great for me man.

They they last forever but anyways field, piece job link, that's what I use great prices. I have no affiliation with true tech tools, but they have great prices on true tech tools. Comm and you can also use Brian ORS offer code, get schooled all one word or you can use tool pros. Podcast, I think Billy is that what yours is there's a couple different offer codes.

I know Billy's in here, so you can use his code. You can use Brian code, you can use shoptalk, I'm pretty sure they have a code too. So everybody I'll get you some kind of percentage off and you get a great price on that and a lot of times with true tech tools. Again, I'm not affiliated with them, but a lot of times they have free shipping.

If your orders are over a certain amount, so I really like to use true tech tools for that stuff. So yeah, I don't Felix. Are you talking about the job link? I mean the the I manifold stuff, I don't regret buying it. I it's still great.

I'm just I've been disappointed ever since they came out with a new update, but I will say just like I said the last time I honestly haven't given them enough of a chance. Yet I saw the new app and I was completely turned off by it and I honestly haven't turned him on since the new app came out. So I just didn't like the way the app looked since they updated it. But I have not even connected the probes to it yet to give it a fair shot.

So I don't want to talk crap about him completely. I just ever since the whole Jim Bergman thing happened. I got a little bit sour on that and you know, but I know that's water under the bridge and he's doing fine with it now so, but that just kind of soured me a little bit on that whole. I manifold thing but anyways on to the next thing: yeah Steve lab has a code too.

So yeah everybody there's all kinds of different offer codes out there. So just any of your favorite youtubers, you know give them a look on their content and they'll. Tell you what their offer codes are whatnot. They get some kind of credit, I'm sure for that.

So I've just always used Bryan's or shop talks, but you know Billy's is on here too you can use tool pros. All of those so they'll all get you a good deal on those on another note too, with true tech tools. Now that we're talking about it, they have these black rubber gloves that I use like crazy. We buy them by the case.

They're called black mamba, gloves. They're black nitrile, also like the best rubber gloves I've been able to find one of my local supply house has had them, but they were way too much money in shrew tech tools. I think my local supply house was. It was way like 25 or 30 dollars.

A box and I think, true, tech tool for like $ 11, a box. Don't quote me on that, but yeah those black nitrile gloves are called black mama gloves. I use those go through those like crazy at our company, so good stuff, the I'm just kind of go through the comments here and see if I'm missing anything yeah Andrew Hicks, you know, honestly, I want to try out the spoilin. The smart pro are ones is that the ones you have like the fancy ones.

I want to try those out, but none of my supply houses carry him and I'm the kind of person that likes to see them before I buy them. Nobody has them. You have to order them all. Some of my supply houses have the ones that aren't the the newer longer range ones, they have the old ones, but I don't want to buy those ones I want to.

I want to see the the the long range ones I'd be tempted to buy the spoilin ones, but I'd really like them to work with measure quick, so Rick, you didn't miss anything yet man, we were just kind of talking about drains. Today I uploaded a video for those of you guys that are just coming in just kind of recap: real quick. I uploaded a video on a package unit with a plugged up drain, but then, throughout the video I explained the need for a p-trap on a drain. Pan that has a negative air pressure pole on it and why we need those and that's what we were just kind of going over a little bit so not really too much.

It's been actually kind of cooler out here. You know we're in our winter right now. So it's like 65 degrees. Sorry guys hate to say that to you, but we're in our winter right now, so we're all in our sweaters and jackets and beanies, and everything and the AC calls have been slowing down.

But they still come in every once in a while, but you know we do refrigeration, so refrigeration has been keeping us pretty busy. So what scale do I use? Brian ocotilla asked me I hopefully I'm pronouncing that right, dude right now. I actually have the field piece. Wireless, the newest wireless scale, I kind of went through a bunch of them.

I was really digging the ackee tools gosh. I wish to me the part number and model number the actual scale for a while, but I constantly had problems with it. Getting wet with the a cute old scale, I would set it down on the ground in water, you know or like on the floor in a restaurant, and it would short out - and I sent it in two times and got it replaced, and I finally just bought The field peace scale - I honestly was a little leery about the field piece scale, just because it's wireless, but it works great. I had one time where it lost connection and I lost my measurements right in the middle of weighing in like a six ounce charge, which kind of pissed me off, but um other than that.

It's it's doing great. You know with the ability to communicate with the app it's pretty cool, so yeah, just the field piece Wireless scale, it's what I'm using right now comes in a cool carrying case again. Sorry guys that you know I didn't have all these part numbers and different things. So I don't.

I wasn't prepared to talk about these tools, but yeah SRS 3. That sounds about right. So excuse me, radhe. You said you had problems with field piece with the scale or with their tools.

I've had really good luck with field piece. I will say that I have one advantage and that field piece is local to me: they're about 45 minutes from my house, so I'll go by their fact or their their main office. If I ever have a problem with a tool and then just swap it out on site - and I don't have to worry about shaping and stuff, but I've heard nothing but great things about everybody else that has to deal with field piece, and so you know, I Guess to each their own, some people don't like their stuff. I like it.

I love the field piece loaded, clamp meter, that's the one that I have, that does phase rotation. I love that thing for when I'm doing startups and different things, so dig that. So let me see so another thing I kind of wanted to cover was in my recent video too. I talked about my system that I was working on having an internet controlled, thermostat personal opinion, not a fan of them.

This one used the bei web internet controlled thermostat and again I don't want to talk too much crap on them, because I haven't really given them a fair chance, but the one time I logged into their system it's ridiculously hard to try to figure their stuff out. It was just too complicated, but I will say that give them the benefit of the doubt. When I logged in the customer got me the information they had three locations on their dashboard. Two of them went to, of which I don't service, so I was a little hesitant to play around in the app too much because I didn't want to mess up other locations AC systems so like I wanted to the way that the restaurant had the their dashboard Set up for Bay web was, they had.

You know multiple different schedules and different things, and it was really confusing and I just wanted to go in and delete everything and start over and redo everything. But I was afraid to because they had two other locations and I didn't want to mess up their system. But I just I don't know it just wasn't really a fan of it. So I understand energy management.

I understand the need for it, but it's kind of funny in restaurants. I I don't really see it being too useful I'd, rather to be honest with you I'd, rather just the units control the the systems and just having a you know, occupied signal coming from downstairs. I'd prefer that you know, if you get into like the Linux l-series, you can run those units in standalone mode where you can set the you know the the cooling and the heating set points, and then the ACS just get an occupied signal from downstairs. I think that's the best way to go because then, if you want to take the the control away from the customer, you know the the actual restaurant staff and different things you know do that just go standalone mode.

I'd rather do that than a fancy energy management system that we can't control and that's confusing and there's nothing worse. I don't really do a lot of big giant controls or anything like that, but you know there's nothing worse than opening up an AC to troubleshoot it and see a giant controls package and know that, like they got a call the controls company to deal with stuff That just seems so ass-backwards it's like I'm the HVAC technician. I should be able to get in here and figure this out, but I know those things are so complex and they have so much stuff tied in Jeff. You said: what's a cloud-based thermostat Bay web, so basically it's like an energy management system.

That's this particular one, but there's several but Bay web. They have hardware on-site, they have a thermostat on site and the the logic or the the algorithm that runs. The thermostat comes from the internet, so the thermostat does have the ability to run itself within certain parameters if they lost internet connection or something like that. But it's just not the greatest thing so, like let's say you downstairs, you do have like a keypad that you can adjust, but it's only temporary adjustments and then after so much time it goes back to the the Internet, cloud-based thermostats logic but, for instance, the system That I was working on again.

This is the first time I've logged into Bay web. So I don't know if there's more to it or whatnot, but when I logged into their internet portal the the building the way it was set up for the r2 units, I wasn't able to go auto changeover between heating and cooling. Now, I'm sure am i, given the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure that it's the way that the customer has their system programmed, but it was just, I thought so stupid that you had to go in there and physically change it from heating to cooling. Again, the the restaurant managers have no ability to do this.

It's on a facilities level. They had to log into the Bay web dashboard and change it from heating to cooling, and I know that they do that, because I can see in the in the history. That is one thing they give you. As you can see history.

I can see history basically, every December they have to go turn the heaters on, you know, put them into heat mode, which I just think is silly. I think we should be able to have automatic change over John McMaster. You say that drain is called cost guard. I'm gon na look that up right now see if we can pull that up.

Okay, oh you, yeah doesn't have a p-trap, that's interesting! Let me pull it up here, see if I can go to their website, see if there's any pictures, I don't think I'm not gon na show a video, because I don't have the audio figured out, I'm pretty lame and I don't have it set up to where We can do audio on my hangouts. Let's see if I can find a good visual here, yeah see I'm not finding a good visual up there we go. That's that looks like a decent one. Let's see if that works.

Okay, so let me try to screen share here and I'll see if I can show you guys what we are talking about. So this is the one that I've seen. This is called cost guard. You can see right here it my understanding and someone in the chat.

I have never used these okay, but I've. I've heard that essentially - and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the positive air pressure clears the clogs out of the drain. Is that the case? That's what I've heard. So I've heard that it constantly keeps the drain clean and it doesn't need a p-trap that way.

So I think they're interesting, I'm gon na look into it and see, but don't know if, if any of you guys have ever worked with that, so yeah I've just seen pictures of them. I haven't seen them. You know in the field or anything like that. I'm gon na do a little more research.

I probably should have done that before I shared it in here, but oh well, I'm gon na go and turn the screenshare off, but yeah so cost guard condensate drain seal looks interesting, so yeah John, have you ever used that have you ever seen them out in The field um, while we're hey, guys, hey familia, how you doing hey, I wanted to say something guys. I wanted to say thanks a lot because I just broke 8,000 subscribers and that's all because of you guys. You guys are the ones that are subscribing to my channel and sharing my content. I really really appreciate that it's really cool how this can all happen as fast as it did.

I mean really my channel just took off in July, like I started it last year, but I really didn't start uploading until February and I might have had like 200 subscribers in July, maybe 300 and then it just exploded and it's kind of insane just blows. My mind that that you guys like this content so much so just want to say thank you guys very much. I really appreciate that so superior. You said you can't use any smart probe gauges because your cell phone going off and you really don't want to bring the iPad to every call so yeah I get that you know that is kind of frustrating.

So thank you guys. I appreciate it yeah I get it. You know the smart probes are a little frustrating, because at times you know you, you do run into problems. So you know, with with your cell phone and different things like, for instance, I'll tell you you know with the field piece ones.

I love them to death, but if you're talking on a Bluetooth, while you're trying to use the the smart probes with your phone, it's not going to drive it don't work right because it interferes with the Bluetooth and it messes things up. So you got to turn your Bluetooth device off if you're gon na use the field piece once so. You know that is kind of a bummer. I'm sure that they'll work on something and make it better, but there's times where the field piece ones are just my absolute favorite, because you can get him into some super tiny places that was even hard to get the stub gauges into because the field piece have That 45 degree angle on them.

I think that they're great so really like that. So, Oh Joshua meadows yeah, you! You asked me about the 220. If it was only breaking one leg of power, you were the one that asked in my video right that one yeah I I think I had a bad connection or something I vaguely remember that something happening there. Oh, I was getting.

I was doing that be the reason why I was getting that reading on that particular video. That was the one where I had a walk-in freezer defrost heater that shorted out against the evaporator line yeah. So something was giving me a back feed because of that electrical short, and I believe that's why I was getting that with that weird reading or something inside there. So yeah, hey Geoffrey! Thank you very much man.

I really appreciate that. Hvac our Knoxville, what's going on dude, so yeah covered that I got like a little. I always have this little notepad right here with all my notes that I want to talk about so kind of just going through those seeing what I needed to cover. The last thing I wanted to cover was: I have some questions.

I know a lot of you guys - I noticed are usually in here, but there's a few of her that are new, so I've been getting a lot of questions about I've, been getting a lot of questions about, starting in the trade becoming an apprentice. How to go to school, how much you're gon na make? Okay, I'm gon na start off by saying different areas are gon na change. Okay, here in Southern California, a new technician coming out of school is probably gon na start on the high end at eighteen dollars. An hour on the low end at sixteen dollars an hour, that's typically what you're gon na start at and that's in my sector.

Okay, I'm not talking for residential companies, I'm in a commercial company, but if I was gon na hire a new hire apprentice he's gon na start somewhere between 16 to 18, an hour more than likely and that's finished school okay, you're gon. Na top out I mean the sky is kind of the limit. You know you're gon na top out at probably 45 dollars an hour, maybe 50, if your really doesn't stink. That's when you're gon na start getting into Union company territory when you're gon na be pushing $ 50 an hour.

Private companies you're not really gon na see that unless you're a service manager, that's when you'll you'll start seeing the the fifty something dollars an hour range. But more than likely, when you go to become a service manager, you're gon na end up going salary. So not always, but you know so - there's definitely plenty of money to be made in this trade. As far as schooling, I'm a fan of any kind of schooling, you can get I'm a fan personally of Community College and the reason why I like Community College is because you don't have to pay for it all up one all at once.

You can do you know semester at a time essentially, and you can do school while you work, so basically you can work during the day go to school at night. That's my that's the way that I did it and I'm a fan of that. Not saying that you have to do it that way, but I find that the easiest, because you can have a normal day, job working a full-time job still making ends meet and go to school at nighttime, again guys, I'm just covering this for the people that asks All these questions the the starting pay I talked about and sorry I lost my train of thought there for a minute but um as far as hiring people without experience me personally, I've done it. You know our trade right now is really hurting for technicians.

So anytime we can get someone new, that's interested in the trade we're gon na jump on that, but you're gon na have to you know. I will say that we have, even though we have a shortage on technicians. We have a lot of new people coming into the trade right now. Okay, so there's a lot of people knocking on our door.

Saying hey! I want a new job. I want a job on a job, so we do kind of you know pick and choose from those people, okay, and that kind of goes all the way across the board. Personally, if you're new and you're wanting to get into this trade, I would suggest that start going to school. Do night college or night classes at a community college, get a semester done or be halfway done with a semester and then go knock on some doors and say: hey, I'm really interested in HVAC to show commitment.

I've already started going to school. I'd like to come be an apprentice, I think. That's the best way to get in a lot of people complain that oh man, nobody will hire me without experience. It's not necessarily that you don't have experience.

It's probably a lot of factors is that you're not showing Drive you're just knocking on the door, saying you want a ton of money. You know so be humble, be willing to learn a big thing that I find problems in the trade schools more so than the community colleges is that the trade schools tend to groom them. Thinking that they're gon na make 2530 dollars an hour starting out, and that is not gon na happen for an apprentice or a new technician coming in I'm sorry, it's just not so you know you got to work your way up. I realize that that's a problem here in California because you know the cost of living is high, but you know what I can't afford to pay someone $ 30 an hour to learn.

It's just not feasible. For me, you know so - and I know that happens to other companies too, so just wanted to kind of cover that, because that was a few questions that I had so kind of go back through here and see what I got in the chat here, guys see What else is going on all right? What did I miss anybody post? Any questions that I needed to miss. Did it just going through here HVAC in South Carolina thanks a lot man. I appreciate it.

I'm trying and just tried, like I say, all the time guys. I'm just trying to share the little bit of knowledge that I have so if I can spread the the knowledge, then that makes it easier for the next guy, so I'm always trying to think of the next guy okay going down through here. How long does it take to finish school school? Well, okay, so the community colleges aren't they a two-year program. I think if you were to go full-time, I think it's a two-year program.

I think if you do it at Community College and that's also including that's also including a general education, so I think you can get it done in about a year and a half. If you went straight or maybe a year, I honestly don't know for sure, but I mean you don't have to finish school like right away. I should say you know you should you could you could just like I said start going to school, then go knock on some doors, get hired and then work your way up. You know and then you'll you'll learn as you're going to school.

I I found that the best way for me so, okay, I'm going to keep going down through here, okay, Paul dieter yeah. I mean that I felt that was the best for me to do it. That way, because I could learn - and then you know it if I had questions at work or I saw something that I'd go to school and then we could talk about it there too, so yeah Brian Milburn. I strongly recommend dick wars book any of you guys that are interested commercial refrigeration for air conditioning technicians, bye, dick Wars.

That's, for I mean that's, that's even for beginner texts, but that'll really help with technicians that already know air conditioning or know a little bit about air conditioning, because it skips some of the fundamentals essentially or it just covers enough of the fundamentals and just kind of Dives into the refrigeration stuff - and that is a great book I personally have set it on a couple other livestreams. I personally had a chance to talk to dick, worse great guy I've taken a class of his online. That was great life. That was really cool too.

So really really: cool guy, very knowledgeable dude. So I'm okay going down through here, I saw a comment: John McMaster, pneumatic seal trap. So I'll have to look that up. Dude! I'm gon na write that on my list right here things to check out oops.

As far as coming up, I've got I'm working on some more videos right now, guys I'm editing a hoshizaki ice machine, video, Kai rack, glycol system, video, walk-in, cooler, videos, all kinds of stuff, I'm working on editing, so we'll have those coming up here shortly. Yeah there Hg, you said such a broad range on school. There definitely is a broad range and there's a lot of bad schools out there too. So that's why I just don't, want you guys to go, spend an arm and a leg and get a crappy education.

So be cautious about that: okay, don't just listen to what the school has to say. I'm sure there's good trade schools too, and I'm gon na differentiate make you understand. I consider a trade school one of the private colleges that you pay for versus a community college. Education: okay: I know that some people would say Community College is a trade school too, but I consider trade schools to be a private college that you pay upfront for the entire thing kind of a deal.

Okay, not knocking trade schools. There's a lot of trade schools though, and there's bad ones mixed in with the good ones, so just be cautious about spending your money. You know and just because you're getting you know, money from the government doesn't mean you're, not gon na have to pay it back. Cuz, a lot of people I notice - are getting from the trade schools they're getting re-education.

You know a government assistance and different things and a lot of times you got to pay that stuff back. So you got to be cautious about those those fancy things. So alright keep on going down here, guys see what else I'm missing here. Do you have a generator at home from when you lose power or not yeah, DJ sub err? No, we don't here in California, we don't have power problems enough to have a generator.

I guess if you live in a giant fancy million dollar home, but I'm just slumming it down here in the burbs, so no generators down here, okay, primetime it dude! I mean I learned from my dad too. So you know hazy. You know man, okay! No! I don't have any commercial refrigeration books for sale, HVAC, our Knoxville, sorry, but go on Amazon dododo. Where do you live HVAC? What do you live in Knoxville? You might find subsidized education classes.

There's a company out here. I mentioned in one of my last podcast called HVAC our edu dot net. I believe it's HVAC our edu net. They do subsidized education, programs and they're the ones that actually I took the dick words class with, and I got his book for free so and - and I I think I paid like forty dollars for the class, it was called.

Let me look up the thing. Hvac are eg. Let me make sure I get the right thing: yeah HVAC our edu net. Now, I'm not saying that they do the subsidized education in your area, but a lot of places.

They do so here out in Southern California, my local utilities, Southern California, gas company and Southern California Edison for our electric. They subsidize, as part of you, know, government regulations or whatever they have to put so much of their profits towards education or something some fancy - weird California, liberal hippie stuff, but they they have to subsidize education for, for the trades to try to save money or whatever. I really don't know the full legal jargon, but anyways you get a free education, essentially so that HVAC our edu net out here they have a special program called it's about Q, but it's the same company and but I know that they do they're subsidized education. All over the United States, so you may want to check with your utilities, look them up and I think they might have something on their website and you might be able to get some of those books for free.

So that goes for anybody. That's in here look up HVAC our edu net. So okay, someone said Brian oars, podcast Brian oars. Podcast is amazing and actually that's where Chris Alessi.

You said that with dick worse on HVAC our school, that's funny, because right after dick did that Podcast, I emailed him and said you know, hey. I really thought the podcast was great and then I happened to write an article for Brian or and then long story short dick ended up getting ahold of me because of the article and it was really cool to be able to talk to him. So really nice. Guy, okay, so HVAC our trucker yeah, you said you got 18 out of school.

How long ago was that that's kind of what you're getting out of school right now too, so um, okay, keep going down here, HVAC our dude yeah, it's just that's so much money! Bro, like did you have to pay that all at once or did you do payments? That's I just don't want anybody to screw themselves on payments. You know if you got like subsidized or something like that. Then great dude, I just oh, that's so much money, but I mean don't get me wrong if you're, good, you're gon na make that money back I mean spending money to get an education is a great thing. I just don't want anybody to go, spend a shit-ton.

If they don't have it that's the biggest thing, I have no problem with with you know: 12 grand for a nine month program. That's there's nothing wrong with that you're, getting a great education so long as you're getting a great education. I just want to make sure you get something for it. You don't wan na get screwed.

You know so. Okay keep going down here, okay, cool! So I'm missing too much here. All right, HVAC are dude. I appreciate that bro, I'm trying man just trying to share alright okay, yeah yeah.

If you're a vet, you get all kinds of subsidies and you know the GI Bill and all that fancy stuff. We'll pay you. So that's a great thing. Okay, keep going yeah, I'm a butcher, your name bro, but it's Javier Gonzalez.

I'm sorry if I thought, if I butchered that yeah I'm Nate certified. So let's talk about that. Let's talk about certifications, okay does Nate, make you a better technician? Yes, and no. Okay is Nate easy to pass.

Yes and no, you know some technicians have a bunch of patches on their shirt and they don't know their ass from their hand, but they can pass a test okay. So if you have Nate patches, does it make you an amazing technician? No, but any certification is better than no certification in my book, okay, for me to pass the Nate tests, I opened a book and I read stuff and I probably picked up some new knowledge. So how could it hurt me? Yes, the patches don't do crap. For me, I do commercial refrigeration.

I've never ever used my Nate certifications for other than me just being able to pass a test. They have not gotten me one single penny more. I am gotten in jobs from them or anything like that. But for me the fact that I have a certification means everything to me.

Any certification is better than no certification. That's my opinion. Okay, a lot it's oh, but but I I will agree with the people that don't like Nate in that it personally has gotten me nothing, but I still think it's a good thing. I still to this day renew my Nate and pay the thing once a year twice a year or whatever it is to get my patent.

You know my my certifications renewed, so I agree with it because one of the one of the cool things about me is that they require you to do continuing education. Excuse me they require you to do continuing education and pay your fee every two years. So you still have to take recertification classes, which i think is a great thing. I think we need to be taking more classes.

We need to get. You know certified properly, okay, so Nate, i I like Nate any of them. I I've said it before. If you can pass your RSES cm exam, you really know your because I've failed it twice and still haven't passed.

My RSC SCM exam that's one of the hardest tests I've ever taken in my life, but I I'm challenged to keep doing it and it makes me want to learn more so that way, I can pass it just to achieve that goal. Okay, there's all kinds of other certifications too, so I'm all for certifications. So, okay, I'm gon na keep going down here, see what I missed out one for for a test. No, that's not high! Because in our our SCS chapter here the arrowhead chapter, that's what we charge for a test.

Two is 150 bucks and I don't think we're making very much of a profit on that when we do that, it's just a couple bucks. Maybe I might even be passing the cost on to be honest with you, because we usually don't make too much money on that kind of stuff with our SES, so 150 bucks that sounds about right for an eighth test yeah. So, okay keep going so Dennis dela Torre, you said you're aware: there's a lot to learn and stuff, but you don't know if you should try to get into Union now or wait till you get more experience, hey bro! It really depends on where you're located here in Southern California. I would not well actually now that we've got a shortage of technicians.

I mean the unions a little bit more appealing. I guess I should say, but the unions not very strong here in Southern California. So if you have a strong area that the unions really strong, you know really good and then then all more power to you. You know I mean there's bad technicians that are non-union, there's bad technicians that are Union.

So I'm not gon na talk, crap union or not. I will say that I think there's some stupid political crap because me as a private contractor, I can't bid on government jobs unless I pay prevailing wages like I, I think, that's kind of funny. Like that's the way the unions keep me out of the work. So I I do think, there's some weird bureaucrat crap political stuff with that.

But but I don't want to talk about unions, because I've got buddies that are in the Union and they love it so more power to it. If it's good in your area just has to be right for you, you know you don't want to go to a place that you're gon na be laid off, come all winter time and then be slamming during the summer time. But I will say that a lot of those trends are probably slowly dying off because of the shortage for technicians, but once we get staffed up again, you know the next 15 years. It might get bad again where there's more technicians in the Union than there is work, but right now I think it's probably a good thing if the union's strong in your area, so all right on going down here - hey Andrew, how you doing today, man so okay, Keep on going in here seeing what I'm missing out, you guys I'm kind of running out of topic here kind of covered what I needed to cover, so you guys.

Let me know if there's anything else you guys want to talk about. I think I covered all the questions really so and that's great Hg. You know if the Union works for you, man more power to you. If you you know, basically you got to do what's right for you.

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Did you guys see my my Instagram post about that seismic valve? That was something that I did. I forgot to talk about that so I'll cover it. Real quick, if you guys didn't see my facebook, my Instagram post, so I'm working at a restaurant right and we had a I'm actually gon na, do a video on it, but um we're working on a restaurant and I'm replacing a bunch of controls in the control Panel and in the same control panel is where the the ansel system is and there's all kinds of fun see fancy inner links into it right. So we get all done and I have a guy on the roof.

We we changed all the motor starters. It was like four motor starters and then I rewired some stuff in the panel fixed it corrected it, and then I had a guy on the roof change in a we were speeding up the exhaust fans because they were having some poll issues, so we adjusted the Exhaust fans up and then we adjusted the make up air unit up to kind of balance out the building, so we're getting ready to leave it's about 11:15. The restaurant opened at 11:00 and but they were slow, so there just had lit their fryers and they were just starting to cook and then all the sudden, all the gas turned off to the building and the manager comes up to me and says something to me And at first I'm like what like what could have happened, you know, let's go try to relight your stuff, long story short, I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure everything out and there is controls that are built into the hood system that will shut off the Gas sometimes they'll have a cylinder down the inlet of the gas and it'll just kill power. If there's ever a fire or something like that, so immediately I start thinking.

What did I do wrong? What wire did I mess up? So I'm looking in the control panel and starting to lose my pulling it apart, trying to keep my cool for the manager, but inside I'm losing my my heart's pumping, because this restaurant can't open at the moment because the gas is off, they can't cook.