This was a service call on an Iced up walk in freezer evaporator coil. Once I got the coil defrosted we found that the cause was the food delivery driver leaving the door open too long. Please leave me some feedback and consider subscribing to my channel.
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Friday night service call on a walk-in freezer. Ironically, this is the one that I had. A few guys have watched my videos, a Friday night service call where the defrost heater shorted out against the refrigeration line. This is actually the new coil that I had replaced it with custom wood called me and said it was all frozen out.
He'll obviously see ice on that side and then, if you look over here, there kiddo fine kind of weird how it's just some of it. But anyways I'm gon na go through it all figure out, what's going on, get a deep frosted. So this is my electrical cabinet right here up in the sky, walk-in freezer system, gee time clock right here, system Chi looks like we're about to go into a 28-minute defrost right there, so we're gon na go ahead and force it into defrost and then we'll test. The system out, let's see what it does, we're going to go in to line one 200 volts.
That's good! Now we're gon na go in to line four. We should see nothing and to line four and quick tout a defrost. Let's try that again and to Lyon. For nothing into line three, Oh a so that's correct! I don't know why I clicked out a defrost.
I might return to super we're gon na. Let it run in defrost for a minute to put and probe on here, we've got four Hambridge 8.69 seems a little bit low for the amperage. Maybe not it's a newer, coil Tam's, I'm gon na do is I'm gon na leave that on there for a few minutes and I'm gon na time this to make sure it doesn't timeout, we should be defrosting plenty good in there right now, so showing you guys. This a thousand times great a drip loop and run your line, so that was ripping over it.
Keep it out of the customers way thinking about the customers, best interests, nice and clean, no big giant mess, so the unit ended up timing out of defrost within like five minutes, and I had set it for like seven D, just to help me defrost, the coil And if you look at it from my understanding, I was also interested only one side, so I stopped this side has a little bit down at the end, the very end over there, but mostly right here. But if you look at this think, what's going on here, yeah the limit switch, this is my defrost termination switch there's only on this side of the coil, so that would make sense why it timed out, because there's not ice on that side of the coil. So I'm gon na get a defrost, I'm gon na, let it run in a defrost wall and taking the fan guards and fan blades and stuff out and then we'll leave the drain pan attached and hose it from the inside. These ceiling mount of coils always suck because the water gets everywhere.
So when you take these out, put the screws back in not tight, but just snug them back in so that way, water doesn't leak out those holes, and then you could just hose from in here. You know all the ice away and stuff. So if you look down this, one has just heaters underneath the coil on each side, there's a heater down. There see the two things coming out there and they just run on the bottom side of the coil. So I've got my amp probe on this one and I'm reading four amps, which makes sense, and then I was reading like eight amps up there on the roof shelf, with my aunt probe on the other one and then we'll check that one and the other ones. Reading for up so both of our defrost heaters are working, so that's a good sign. So what I did up on the roof was. I just took the X terminal wire off of the X terminal, so that way it would stay in defrost.
So it's ignoring the coil temperature at this moment. Okay, so by leaving the heaters running, while I was taking the motor guards and the blades off just let it run that much long rasaan making use of the you know time to start defrost in that coil. But inevitably, I'm gon na go up under the roof right now shut this thing off, pull these motors out and then defrost it so, like I said, I'm gon na do it from the inside out. Okay, I just put the fan motors back in coils defrosted.
We still got to get down there in the expansion valve section. These Center mount coils ceiling. Mount coils are very difficult to defrost. Without making a mess, you've got to be very slow, there's little drips here and there I've got very minimal.
This just frost on the floor, you know, but you want to try to be careful because you don't wan na make a mess on these guys. You notice there's just a little bits of frost that I couldn't help so just nice, and so I just put the motors back in I'm gon na go ahead and defrost the expansion valve section, real, quick and then we'll keep going. It looks like there's still like a little bit of ice on the ceiling we'll get to that one thing I want to point out, if you guys have done these silly amount of coils they're pain in the butt, because you can't really defrost from the outside or At least you didn't used to be able to do that, but heat crafts changed them. I got ta, give heat craft credit, they improved these coils.
You notice there's a lip there now, a pretty large lip, so you can go very slowly with your water hose and spray so long as it doesn't drip over the drain pan it used to be that the coil came right up to the edge, and so you Couldn't defrost it from the outside, but now you can, which is kind of cool. So so it looks like I missed a little spot over there, so I'm gon na get that too. So after everything's drippy and that's the little bit of frost. That's on the floor.
That's really just from the dripping off the ceiling, because I was very, very slow when I was defrosting the coil, but it's all back together. All the defrost heaters are working everything's, good kind of have a theory that it's these boxes right here. I have a feeling that they're stacking them all the way to the ceiling and blocking the airflow from that side of the coil that or someone didn't shut off the switch when they did the delivery and it wouldn't ever defrost that site completely. If it froze up solid because of the limit switch being on this side, so we'll see we'll just tell me keep an eye on it. I'm not gon na spend all night here dinner, so I went ahead and powered the system back on set the time on the defrost clock. I don't see need to put my service gauges on it right now. What I'm actually gon na do is come back tomorrow and follow up just to make sure everything's good. The manager kind of told me a story that they found their delivery driver that had left all their food outside of the walk-in cooler, propping the door for the freezer and the cooler open on Thursday and today's Friday.
And they actually took the video of it because they thought there was gon na be a problem, and then they called me out today saying that it was iced up so more than likely, it was just that so, like I said I'll follow up tomorrow, I set The time on the defrost clock and we'll come back tomorrow and see if it has the correct time on it, that's pretty much it so it's coming down in temperature. It's gon na take some time because it's 25 degrees in there it's gon na get down to negative 10 all right, so this was a walk-in freezer service call. Ironically, like I said in the video, this was the same walk-in freezer that I had the defrost heater blow a hole in the coil, and this was actually the new evaporator coil anyways. The unit was frozen up.
What I actually found when it was all said and done - we confirmed that the delivery driver the previous day had left the walk-in freezer door open for a couple of hours. He they come in. They get their deliveries when they're, not in the restaurant, so that they called a key drop delivery. So the delivery driver has a key to the restaurant.
So when the restaurant manager arrived at 7:30 a.m. they found that the walk-in freezer was left open, along with the walk-in cooler and all the food was filled in the freezer, the cooler and propping all the doors open. So that's what we found was the problem in what caused the walk-in freezer to ice up like it. Did you notice that I didn't put my service gauges on this unit? Okay, it was late on a Friday night.
I didn't see the need. I actually ended up going back out the next day, just confirmed that everything was still working on the system. Through my service gauges on there, refrigerant pressures were looking good. I was running a clear sight.
Glass I pumped down the receiver, confirmed that it was 3/4 of the way full for the headmaster, so everything was good with the refrigerant charge. I had also in the video set the time on the time clock before I left and when I came back out the next day found that the time clock was holding the correct time, so that confirmed that the defrost clock was also working. Ok, as far as why the coil iced up the way that it did remember those evaporator coils are not meant to ice up that much okay, that defrost termination switch. That's inside that coil is meant to terminate the coil when it. You know when it gets to a certain temperature and that coils never like, I said, meant to ice up as much as it did. It's only meant to have you know normal frost on it, which is normal because of the way how cold were getting that coil. So it's never really gon na completely melt that much ice or the amount of ice that was on it when we went out there. Okay, so that's why and it was melting the ice on both sides, but it was just so much that it couldn't keep up.
Okay and because the defrost termination sensor was only on one side of the coil, it obviously would melt that side, but then never fully melted the other side. I also think that those boxes that were stacked up alongside the coil have a little bit to do with it. I really can't get mad at the customer, because this is a chain restaurant and every one of the the restaurants that I go to. They do.
The exact same thing, so it's hard for me to run in there and say that is your problem, stop doing it you're doing it all wrong, because then they're just gon na say well, we do it at every restaurant. How come it's not affecting us there? I don't like it it's not right, but it is what it is and there's not really much. We can do to to eliminate that problem. Okay really appreciate you guys taking the time to watch my videos pay attention in the show, notes, lots of great information and then also popping up right now or some channels that I recommend you guys check out subscribe to.
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I have this issue right now. But I am not the kitchen engineer I haven't messed with refrigeration in 10 years.
Would it have made sense to add a 2nd defrost termination switch on the other side to ensure both sides are defrosted before timing out?
Your videos are great. They help me to understand hvac-r system diagnosis. I'm going to a trade school currently to get into the industry
Scary owning a walk in freezer if the ice cakes up around the wire disaster waiting to happen as water and electricity don’t mix at all
To much réfrigèrent charge could be
Normal. When you abuse the system, it will fail you. Leaving the door open for so long and having the boxes blocking air flow, i consider that abuse. Service area Ottawa??
In Cold storage ice formation on upper side of the cooling coil, please can you explain why it happen.
When i melted it through hot water it come again after 3 or 6 day .
I had the same story at one of my freezer They left the door open over 2 hrs. Put in plastic door curtin ,it worked also I always had box loading problems,showed help proper way worked o.k. until people quit and got new people ! Are you in Kanata ?
How did you confirm the reciever was filled up to 3/4 level ? Are you in Orleans ?
I installed a ceiling mount low air flow model in a walk-in cooler. I was having problems with ice building up on one side of it, and the instructions were not correct that came with it for superheat adjustment. I contacted Russell service and the superheat for the low air flow model was to be three to four degrees for a walk-in cooler. I remember when I started it up when I had it around seven eight degrees the TXV with hunt all the time. Got it down to three to four degrees and the hunting stopped. I had a short line set so I installed a heat exchanger in it to try to get a little more superheat at the compressor. How to replace the liquid line solenoid for the lower liquid line Temps. If you work on something like this and you're getting frosting on one side a quick email to Russell tech support you might get instructions that are different than the ones that come with the equipment. Once I got the three to four degrees superheat on that walk-in cooler the icing problems went away.
Wouldn't some plastic air curtains help block most of the humid air from entering unimpeded inside and aid in trying to help maintain the box temp from rising to rapidly while the door is open and when they are doing their restocking? Just my take on this service call you came onto. Thanks for posting and keep up the the videos.
so the doors being opened allowed all that humidity into the freezer allowing for the large amount of ice build up relative to the defrost cycles.
I’m gonna try some of your suggestions, my freezer is inside of my cooler so the only air that gets to the freezer is 38 to 40°, so the door gasket should not be that big of an issue I would not think,This unit was completely new three years ago, also how important is it that the freezer door that is inside the cooler the shut at all times,And does the ice on the ceilings and walls contribute to the problem, thank you
Sir please help 1 de freezer evaopretar ice pomision and set -18 c before but problem is – 10 c so evaopretar ice pomision cooling nat OK problem ice problem
Hello My dear Friend
cool Room Not Cooking
They always put as much stuff in freezers as high as they can. In retail I always say "In confusion theres always profit" Are you in Nepean ?
Go with a Danfoss digital temp controller with two probes one for room temp and one probe for defrost.
OF COURSE ITS FRIDAY NIGHT!! and when you get there they say its been doing that for THREE DAYS!!! SMH
lived it, so many frozen coils. People leaving doors open all day.
One more, when these coils drip water for what ever reason, from ceiling panels,fan guards on the walk way, it leads to alot of slip & falls and ins liabilities.
Thats the other issue, they lose alot of shelf space on both sides of coil keeping discharge air open. Service area Barrhaven??
Have seen those pins half worn out.bypassing that defrost, on old clocks, check all pins.. Your right the coils are a pain in ass.
door switch absolutely-is txv feeding properly Service area Kanata??
I think that one issue is a bad engineering. 2 sides should have 2 independant defrost circuit. This would have possibly fixed this by itself. Because when you look at it, the side with the limit switch was ok, the ice would have ended up to melt slowly over time. The side with no limit switch ended up to be probably more iced up hence why it couln't defrost it. With two limit switches, it would have let a full defrost cycle instead of a partial one, which would have started to melt the ice, and over time it would have most likelly removed all the ice. Would have been very cheap to proprelly design… All you need is two contactors and a second limit switch.
Plus, they could even say that it save energy, by disabling the defrost coil once it is done on that side, and making sure that the system is ice free, which increase the efficiency, hence some power saving… Service area Orleans??
Could you possibly during explanations explain to the newer techs what causes certain issue and why it happens more in detail basically like the theory aspect since what we learn out of the book compares to what we look for during diagnosis differ sometimes. Love your channel man appreciate all of the education you are offering. Keep it up brother and thank you.
Hey do you charge customer for defrosting the coil? If so how much is it?
Thank you.
I like north call !! David is a good guy
Wich other channel will you recommend?
any reason you cant just run electric heat defrost vs hose em?
Absolutely love your videos, I'm finishing trade school right now but I'm learning a lot from your videos and the way you work. Cheers from Canada !
Did customer ask this call to be filed under installation warranty?
Now the delivery driver should pay the bill for call out charge!
Operator/malfunction –Open doors = frozen coils
Very good video Chris. Excellent job.
Good vid Chris … Thank's for sharing … The young'uns coming up can learn from all you guy's that share
these vid's …
Hi new to your channel love your videos
WhT kind of heat source do you use to check the level in the receiver?
Iced up coilatitis. We used to put door switch on freezers like that, kill fans and solenoid valve when door is open.
All the ceiling evaporators boxes with horizontal fans I've worked in have the fans attached to the pans, and the pans with hinges to easily opening and work in.
Nice! Video 👍🏼 good info. I like Sean Mack suggestion
brah we changed out equipment and installed three of those shitcraft ceiling mount indoor coils and have had nothing but problems with them, they ended up sending us bigger equipment due to our problems (icing) and still having icing issues on ONE side just like yours, some flaw in the equipment, just garbage good luck call backs for ever. wish we went back with reg air handlers, from now on we will.
Can you add a second heater termination on the other side?
Nice video. Thank you. I always find the x terminal cut off. Most of our techs say to just remove the x terminal as its a nuisance. What's your opinion on that? Isn't that a safety issue,? Now if the clock fails in defrost, the heaters will continue running.