Bryan demonstrates what's inside a Scroll Compressor.
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So this is another sort of live test that we're doing to prepare for the HVAC. Our training symposium here in Clermont Florida outside of HR in order to kind of further test it. I'm gon na just make a video and the video is gon na, be the inside of a scroll compressor. I've heard somebody say the other day and it's a common thing that when a scroll compressors, not pumping they'll say that it's got bad valves and that actually comes from the old days when you had reciprocating compressors and we still have a lot of them.
So it's not the old days, it's the old days are still now and you had actual suction and discharge valves and with suction and discharge valves, because you have a piston, that's you know moving in and out as you have that upstroke that discharge valve has to Open and if that valves not present, then when it pulls back down, it will pull back from discharge and the opposites also truths of suction. So I want to show you the difference between that and how a scroll compressor works on the inside. So in a scroll compressor, you have two different Scrolls. You have the orbiting scroll, the one that actually moves, and then you have the stationary scroll scroll.
So the one that moves is on the bottom and the stationary scrolls on top, so they fit in like this and a common mistake that people make is they think that this spins, but it doesn't actually spin it actually oscillates. So it moves like this, and that is how it compresses those two fit together. These seals, these tips kind of seal against each other, and it's all just metal on metal, there's no like Teflon or any sort of gasket in there to keep it to seal. It's just a metal-on-metal fit and that's something, that's something that people will notice.
Sometimes when they first start up. When you install a brand new scroll compressor, they can be just a touch noisy for this first couple cycles and then, as they run, and the oil kind of moves around in there and creates that seal they'll actually become a little bit quieter. And you can see the wear patterns on here on the inside, where it's shiny, that's actually where the metal was rubbing up against each other. But the one thing I want to show you here is that there are no traditional valves.
There are no typical valves that open and close and different strokes, it's just a continuous motion as it oscillates, but what it does have is it has a discharge check valve in it so inside here there's a discharge check valve and if we listen really carefully, you Might be able to hear it that discharge check, valve opening and closing, and underneath here that prevents refrigerant on the off cycle from rock back through the compressor. If you have one of these that fail, you'll actually hear the compressor run backwards in the off cycle. You'll hear, can I make a sort of a sound and that's a sign that you have an issues with your discharge check valve this matters, a couple different for a couple different reasons: first off it matters, because, obviously that you don't want it running backwards if it Works to start running backwards and you reinitialize power during that period when it was running backwards, it might keep running backwards and so you'll see that in some cases with short cycling, but then another another thing where this comes up is: if you are doing something like Flowing nitrogen through a compressor, you do need to move it in the direction of normal refrigerant flow. So you would need to flow through the suction line out through the discharge line in order to allow them to be flow, because this check valve it will open even with very low pressure. It's just that are prevent refrigerant, moving the opposite direction, but if you were trying to flow through it moving the opposite direction, it would block it via the check valve there. So that's it inside of a scroll, compressor, you're, orbiting scroll on the bottom. The part that actually moves and then you're stationary scroll on top and it's got that check valve that prevents that backflow of refrigerant. So that's all just a quick test using our new setup.
Is there any moving part that can fall off its position during shipping? UPS or FedEx may put it down during shipments. I am wondering if it is safe to buy it online Are you in Orleans ?
I am suspecting that when you charge a copeland scroll with liquid through high side while under vacuum causes internal damage with the result being equalized pressure while running….If so why?
So if I pressurize a unit with a scroll compressor I have to add the nitrogen through the suction side first?
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simple concise video. easy to understand. good presentation!
I said this to the maintenance lead at my job and he called me an idiot lol
Please subtittle indonesian.
In Indonesia there are a lot of technicians but they don't understand English, might be able to find it translator.
I will recomendation this account.
Thank you.
Point to note. Not all compressors have a "built-in" (discharge) check valve. (E.g. Danfoss, Mitsubishi)
Many systems have them installed externally on the discharge line.
So some scrolls truly have no valves of any kind.
Do you share your process checklists like you had with compressor changeout?
Wicked
Great video
Good information for the noitall tech… Rotary is confused with the scroll.
I have had bad/sticky scroll check valves out of the box..sometimes after a few cycles, the hot oil and vapor mix frees the valve but life expectancy is shorter than factory part..being a former Quality Control tech in manufacturing..to save costs, manufacturers may send an item back to a 'requalify' process that may change pumping characteristics or capacity by a fraction..re machining a mating surface or replace the electric motor, but still be within useable tolerances.
Keep up the fine videos Bryon..I share to the new guys coming in as the seniors leave the work force.
Thank you
Nice – so the scroll is really an oscillating compressor, right?
Very useful video
Awesome sir.