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01:40 SCARY SATELLITE
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13:44 BRAZING MONTAGE #1
20:31 WTF MOMENT #1
22:51 THE NEXT MORNING
25:33 RECOVERY TIP
29:36 BRAZING MONTAGE #2
34:05 EVACUATION TALK
37:47 WTF MOMENT #2
40:07 COIL CLEANING TIME
42:12 COMPRESSOR AUTOPSY
46:00 CLOSING WORDS

There it is right there, can you see inside there there's a piece of something stuck in there. That is our problem that little chunk right. There is what was causing that thing to bypass, so that little piece on my finger is what was stuck, and you can actually see the mark right here, where it's shiny on the seat. That piece was stuck there, allowing the gas to bypass inside the head pressure control valve, so it wasn't a failure of the valve.

It was contaminants in the system. This video is brought to you by sportlin quality, integrity and tradition. Today we have a call on a walking cooler, not working, and it's interesting because the fans are not running now. These fans run 24 7.

So there's no reason for them to be off the customer said they checked all the breakers um. Let's hope it's not something! This obvious nope, not that easy, okay, so um. First and foremost, we need to start with the evaporative fan motors, see why they're not running so we're gon na open this guy up electrical should be in there figure out the electrical issue and then go from there. Ah, so this guy is electric defrost, so the fans are controlled from the roof, so we actually need to go up there.

It looks like the limit switch been bypassed, but yeah. Our issue is probably going to be on the roof because our power comes from the roof down to here, so i'm checking between four and n and i have no power, so that should be my 208 volt power, so we do need to jump onto the roof. This uh satellite looks intimidating what the heck beefy thing i feel like i'm getting herpes just standing in front of it or curing me of it. I don't know it's weird all right.

My rack is right here. That's a good sign that all the fan motors are running it's a little dirty. This is a little odd uh-oh. I don't like to see a trip breaker, that's not good! It's not good at all.

I need to figure out if that's my walk-in cooler, let's see walking cooler system, f, a b c d e f! Oh no, all right! Oh! I think this is my walk-in cooler. It's not a good sign that you see oil all right here and it's also not a good sign that the compressor tag is completely melted off man. I hope we don't have a bad compressor. That's gon na suck all right well, open it up and get some gauges on it and test system to ground all right.

The first thing i'm gon na do i rese all right turned off the breaker, so there's no power - and i come over here and we're testing the ground. Okay. So we're grounded out right here and we've got no continuity to ground on that winding. Nothing on that.

One nothing on that one. So that's a good sign now we're gon na check the windings themselves. Okay, that's interesting! Four! On one two on another: oh you know why? Because this is a single face, that's right! That makes sense. I was thinking this was a three-phase for a minute yeah, so so the compressor still has resistance.

So that's a plus. It's definitely been overheating, though it's not hot right now looks like maybe there's a refrigerant leak or there was a refrigerant leak. It looks pretty dried up: okay, we're going to open up this electrical box and see what's going on in there, so right off the bat nothing's really jumping out at me in there looks okay, okay, looking at wiring, making sure nothing rubbed out. Where do we have a potential short here guess at this point i mean it's not really gon na matter, but i'm gon na put service gauges on it to see if we actually have pressure in the system too.
All right that is a plus the system has refrigerant in it. So all right, we need to grab the meter and go tone out some other places and see if we can't find a direct short somewhere. Maybe that caused the breaker to trip okey dokey. So let's have a look at the contactor, i mean it doesn't look amazing, but it doesn't look horrible, it's okay! It's not welded shut.

Okay! Here's my time clock right here. We currently have no voltage just check that so we're going to have to test the ground to see where a potential short might be on the end terminal, nothing on the number four terminal, i'm checking the ground, nothing on the number three terminal and nothing on one. Nothing is grounded and it wasn't in a defrost when it tripped remember this is electric defrost, so it was in cooling mode when it tripped. So what caused it to trip interesting, huh? Well, we have power, turned off so we're gon na test on the bottom side of that contactor to ground, to see if there's a short in the wiring contactor to ground.

No short, this is the load side of the contactor, no short or no direct short to ground um. Okay, so there's nothing wrong there. I don't see any issues in the electrical. Oh, it's a tricky one.

So what caused this guy to trip the breaker? Interesting not seeing anything in there, it could be a start. Capacitor i mean a run capacitor issue um, we better test those and then also we need to look into this wiring. To make sure nothing happened in here, don't see any issue there. We better test that crankcase heater too, so i'm going to get in here and look around see if i'm going to pull this cover off too okay.

The start capacitor is testing at 93 microfarads and it's supposed to be 88 to 108. So the start capacitor is fine. We need to test that run cap now. The run cap is testing good.

It's supposed to be 35 microfarads and we're right at 35. So okay testing, the crankcase heater, it's not grounded out and it's got resistance across itself. So the crankcase heater is good. This is interesting.

I don't know what caused this breaker to trip. I'm kind of concerned huh all right at this point. I've checked everything and uh. I think it's just time to turn on the breaker, but i'm gon na leave the compressor disconnected we're gon na turn it on without the compressor and then uh see where that gets us all right.
Um yeah cause all the condenser fan motors are running. I mean there's nothing else really tied into us, except for these relays. I don't know what those relays go to see if it says anything on here: system. F, yeah, r1, so those relays do go on there.

Oh well, we're just gon na turn it on and see what happens: okay power's on hold in the contactor all right. Let's go check to see if we have voltage at the compressor check voltage here all right. We have 200 volts between run and common. So that's good, but why did it trip the breakers? The question i mean we're really just going to have to wire it in.

I want to go down and inspect the evaporator a little bit more before uh. I connect this compressor back in because i want to make sure we don't have any shorts and i don't want to damage anything in the compressor before i go down there, i'm going to click this into defrost no trip. Yet, let's see what we got here between three and n 208, so we're sending defrost power still we're sending nothing to the refrigeration circuit. Let's take it out and let's check our refrigeration circuit four and we've got 208 volts going down to the evaporator fan motors.

Let's go downstairs and see what's going on down there, i'm intrigued to know why. Oh someone cut out the fan, delay switch. So all the evaporator fan motors are running man. I hope it's not a bad compressor.

I don't see anything going on up in here. It's like a needle on a haystack, this thing's kind of a mess, but i'm not seeing anything. I mean nothing looks like it's shorted heaters, don't look the greatest but huh, okay! Well, i'm not seeing anything. We're gon na have to turn the compressor on and see what happens all right.

Well at this point, it's time to turn it on see what happens. So we got to connect this compressor back in okay, we're gon na turn it on and see what happens? Please? Don't be a bad compressor, it's running, but it's not moving refrigerant what's going on here! Well, the compressor is not hot, but it's not pumping refrigerant nothing's happening. We're gon na turn it off more than likely we're gon na have a bad compressor that stinks. Okay, we're off i'm trying to think in my head right now, there's nothing that could be causing these pressures to do this, we're hooked onto the suction side, we're hooked on to the discharge side.

We should have compression and we don't it's like the motor is just moving. Let's try it again. It's on no pressure change and we're pulling current, so the motor's moving, but it's not moving. The scrolls something's happened inside that sucks all right.

I got my new compressor. It's a little guy um. What i was able to do was front seat. These valves recover the charge in the compressor and i'm only going to have to if all goes well, unsweat these and sweat the new compressor in that's the plan.
Let's hope that everything matches up the way that it's supposed to, but it looks like it'll work, so i'm going to get in here and sand up these braze joints, unsweat them and then pull the compressor out of the way and go from there. We've got some new starting components: new molex plug so try to get it dialed in once we get the compressor replaced, we'll vacuum, it down, start it up, and then we'll uh pump the system down and change the dryer. So what i get for trying to rush through things, i had a casualty of war here, pressure control, the low side came off of there because i didn't do it. Take it off when i was trying to unsweat it, but i think i have one of those in my van hopefully but anyways i'm going to keep going with the compressor changeout.

So all right got the compressor, sweat in just two simple guys. It went right in that's perfect. I still got to figure out the bolts and stuff, but i'm going to get uh that pressure control hose replaced and the vacuum pump running on this guy. So that way we can uh start it up right, quick and i still got to change the starting components too.

So i'm going to run down to the truck and see what i got all right. Well, yeah, i kind of screwed myself. I don't have one of these hoses, so i'm going to have to do it with two flare nuts and some quarter inch: copper, we're going to make a little chingus and connect it to that. So so so all right, it is not pretty but it'll work for the night nice and there, so i'm gon na get the vacuum pump running on it and then uh.

Hopefully we can start this guy up all right, because i'm just evacuating the shell of the compressor. There's no need to go crazy. With my vacuum setup. The quarter inch hoses will be fine, it'll take a few minutes, but i got to put the starter components in anyways and do the crankcase heater.

So we got plenty of time, we'll just let it run it'll get down into the micron levels. Here, in just a minute, uh pull the vacuum. Um opened up the valves, we're good to go uh. We got pressure on both sides.

We're ready to start this. Guy up everything's wired in in here crank case heater is wired in this guy's ready to go and hope that uh everything goes well crank it and it's running so we're gon na. Let it operate, let it run for a few minutes see if we can bring the box temp down um then we'll change the dryer. I may even change the dryer in the morning.

We'll have to see i'm gon na. Let it run for a few minutes and see what happens. I don't want to shut it off. Quite yet hot discharge, uh cool, ish, suction, it's gon na be a while.

I'm gon na try to clean up some of my messes and let it run for a little bit. So all right, we have been running for a few minutes. We've got a cool, cold suction line coming back and i noticed that my head pressure's really high. It's probably only 80 degrees out here, uh.

It shouldn't be this high. So i come over here to my head pressure control valve and it's bypassing it's stuck. So i have a really hot line coming out of the head pressure control valve and then the liquid drain. Coming out of the condenser is a lot cooler than this line, so this thing is bypassing hot gas through and that's probably, what added to the compressor failure.
It's probably been running like that for a long time and remember, the old compressor had a burnt sticker on it. So what i'm going to try to do is i'm going to try to go ahead and put a sprinkler on the condenser. For tonight i have a head pressure control valve at the shop. I just don't have one with me tonight and i would have to recover the charge.

So if i can get a sprinkler on it for tonight to get it to make it through the night and keep the head pressure, i could be here first thing in the morning: we'll change this guy, we'll recover the charge we'll make it look nice and put A new head pressure control valve on there um. So i think that's what we're gon na have to do just to get us through the night. We're gon na go downstairs and make sure it's getting cold and i'll uh clean up my messes and then get a mister on the condenser temporarily. What i did we got to make sure the side glass stays clear, though, is the problem.

Hopefully it has enough refrigerant. So my head pressure is dropping, got to give it a minute, because the side glass is still flashing and i don't like it, but it could just be because it's opening all the way. It's interesting because uh, it's still bypassing, but it's gotten a lot better um. I actually turned off the mister and just forced on all the condenser fan motors and that's a reasonable head pressure, i'm gon na let it run for a few minutes and make sure it doesn't get too high.

But the side glass is clear: super cold suction line. Coming back, the temperature in the box was like 42 a few minutes ago, so we're gon na. Let it run for a few more minutes, just make sure there's no other issues. All right we are back this morning, got my whole van on the roof.

We got to recover the charge, got a bucket full of ice, so we're going to uh get ready to change that head pressure, control valve what i have here. Let me close this off is i went ahead and put my service gauges on there. We went ahead and opened the packings or loosen the packings on these guys so important, okay, actuated the valves - and you can see my my system pressure - it's not too bad. You know nothing too alarming.

I'd say it's about 80 degrees outside right now, but we still have the same problem. We have discharge refrigerant coming out of the compressor going up that line into the condenser coming out of the condenser on that 3 8 line. But the problem is, is that this right here going into my receiver, is hotter than the 3 8 line coming out of the condenser, which means that this head pressure control valve right here is partially bypassing, and it should not be because the bypass pressure on that Guy is about 180 psi and we're at 272 psi that should be shut all right. This discharge, or this line right here, should not be hotter than the liquid line during normal operation or the liquid drain coming out of the condenser.
So that's more than likely what killed this compressor! Now i got it operational last night by manually, making all the condenser fan motors run and by putting a mister on the condenser right here, just to get them through the night. We're going to turn that off we're going to recover the refrigerant change the valve and hopefully be done with this guy we're gon na see, i turned off the misting device and my head pressure's slowly climbing now and it's gon na continue to climb. You know last night, it was about the same temperature as it is right now and we were at like 320 psi or something uh which was too high for the temperature uh. You can see right now, it's about 87 degrees, so um, but it's slowly going to climb more and more until it becomes a problem um.

So at this point, we're gon na go ahead and shut this guy off we're gon na go ahead and recover the charge out of the system and then uh go from there. So i'm trying to take a shortcut, and so what i did was i put my high side on the receiver port and i pumped it down, but it's interesting. This is one of those where the receiver port loses pressure when you pump it down. So there's still high side pressure in there.

What i'm inevitably trying to do is i'm going to recover the charge out of the high side, but as it gets really low, i'm actually going to shut it off and uh close front seat these valves. Well, that's the plan, so that way we don't have to evacuate on the compressor oil later and now we're just evacuating on the system, but i'll have to see. If i can make that happen, or not because of the weird setup they have, we've got our tank and ice water carefully on the scale large diameter hoses everything's set up. We purged it.

It's basically ready to open up we're gon na start filling with refrigerant, we'll pull from both sides we'll go ahead and hit start now. The ice water is there to reduce the tank pressure because it's warmer outside and the tank pressure will come up to the point that it'll trip the head pressure, control, um everything helps with this: the ice water, the large diameter hoses, no schraders. All of that helps to speed up the process. Now.

The maximum amount of refrigerant r404a that we can put in here is just a little over 17 pounds, so we're weighing it as we're pulling it out that way, we don't overfill the cylinder. So we've done everything we can we sanded up the head pressure control valve. We unbolted it we're just about done recovering we're on the tail end of being overfilled on the cylinder, but when i calculated it, i put the maximum temperature of 130 degree tank temperature. That's if i was to store it in my van as you decrease the temperature.
The storage capacity goes up. We are going to just be reusing this refrigerant, so it's not 130 degrees right now, it's just about 80 degrees. So if you take 167 psi, that's the outlet pressure. That's the pressure in the tank uh 404.

It's going to be right around 80ish degrees! So we're good right now, but that's why it's so important that we cooled this guy down on hotter days that temperature gets super high and it creates a problem, but look at we're just in the negative and we're right at 18 pounds. So we're gon na go ahead and shut this guy off and get changing on that valve all right. We are purging with nitrogen right there. I do have to unsweat the valve, so we're gon na.

Do that real, quick and then uh move on all right. So this right here i tried to put the bushing in and it wouldn't fit it's like oblong. So if you've ever run into that, what you do is take a screwdriver and round it out careful not to go too big there. We go good to go.

We're just about to fit the head pressure control valve in i had to put the bushing on um yeah we're doing good, got some of the wet rag heat blocking compound packed around that valve. So that way it tries to protect it from overheating. But remember i've said it many times you need to get that stuff off asap, because the moisture in the compound helps to absorb the heat and displace it temporarily. But eventually, when that moisture starts to evaporate, the heat is going to transfer through into the valve.

So when you're done brazing kick that stuff off asap with something, because it's going to be hot, that way you protect the valve more yeah. I use the wrench and give it a tap down low hello. I don't like it so there it goes so so so, my okay, so so, okay, so you always back them up, because the lines will twist you'll break something. So that's one we'll have to do something to make sure it doesn't rub on the discharge line and we'll figure that out you always back it up that way.

You don't twist the fitting off use leverage to help you, okay, what i need you to do is hold this, so it doesn't turn we're going to get in here and change the dryer i just got to kind of go for it, so we're going to get The old dryer out, i probably, should have gotten my bigger wrenches, but i'm stubborn and just using the small six inch ones all right, so we're pulling an evacuation got. The 10 cfm pump kicking butt right now. I just closed the gas ballast because we just came down to a deep back or deeper vacuum, we're about 600 microns. Now, that's not a true micron reading, because i'm actually pulling from the high side too, but i'm using fieldpiece's new uh micron gauge the mg44.

Look at that display nice big display battery level indicator and then uh. It's got features on it where it tells you how how fast it's pulling down um got a menu alarm feature over here, one little port that i really like about it. A little feature they have is the coupler right here has trader core depressors on both sides. So that's kind of cool because sometimes you you run into a situation where this might won't fit and you got to use the other side kind of neat little feature so um anyways as we're going with our evacuation right.
Now i'm going to pull an initial vacuum, but eventually i'm going to close off the high side and the liquid side and pull just from the suction. So that way we get a true reading on the micron gauge. Okay, because right now, that's a much lower reading than it actually is in the system, because it's it's so close to the vacuum pump itself. So we're going to give it some time clean up some of our messes.

We got to clean off the wet rag compound and just kind of overall clean up our job site, because we got a lot of stuff and then we'll go from there. We got down to about 600 microns and i closed off. I back seated this valve and the liquid line port and it is inevitable that it's slowly going to rise. It rose up a little bit, but now it's a true vacuum because it's not pulling from here anymore and it's only pulling from the suction side.

And it's going all the way through the system. Okay - and you see we're slowly dropping. So that's a really good sign. It's always important to understand the evacuation and how it works and how a true vacuum works versus getting the you know affected by the pumps, pull in a negative way.

I should say all right, we're doing good um cool thing i wanted to point out too: is the micron gauge works with the field piece app? So right now it's in the sun, it's kind of hard to see, but i can pull it up on the app and you can set everything within the app you can log it. You can set all the fun stuff in there. So cool within the field piece out that works perfect. Our evacuation is looking good, we're actually in decay right now and we're rising slowly we're at 6, 48 right now, so nice and good um i'm pulling an evacuation on the gauges before we hook them up to the system or before we open the system to get Them pulled down so that we're not opening you know air into the system.

Basically, but yeah we're doing good. Our decay is looking good um. It's always important to understand. You're, never going to hit a perfect vacuum on an old system old systems um they have refrigerant.

In the oil little pockets everywhere - and it's never going to be a perfect vacuum, so always understand that you always want to try your hardest to get the best vacuum. But you also got to be practical. Some things you can do to speed the evacuation up. The entire time is agitate the compressor shake it turn on the crankcase heater, which mine's on right.
Now i have the system energized solenoid valves open and i have the compressor plug disconnected so, but yeah we're doing good. It's just slowly, rising into k 662.. So i'm happy with that and we're just pulling this guy down before we open it up to our. You know to the system and start charging it all right.

We are running this guy's back on and running we're going to go ahead and finish charging all the refrigerant. Now i flipped over the cylinder and hooked up to the vapor port just to make the charging process go faster. So just so, we weren't going through that dip tube, but uh we're gon na go ahead and put all the gas that was in here and then we got to pump it down and check the liquid level on the receiver all right. So we got our valve right here and we're gon na go ahead and pull it apart and see what caused it to stick.

My opinion on these valves is: it's usually user error system error. It's not the valve that failed. It's something that got stuck in the valve, so let's go ahead and actually put the wrenches on there the right way there we go and there we go yeah we're gon na very carefully, try to pull this guy open and see what is in there. Okay, look at all that that gunk is stuck in there.

This valve is trashed. Look at the seat on that. It's it's got gunk in there there's like nastiness oil sludge. There.

It is right there. Can you see inside there there's a piece of something stuck in there? That is our problem, that little chunk right. There is what was causing that thing to bypass, so that little piece on my finger is what was stuck, and you can actually see the mark right here, where it's shiny on the seat. That piece was stuck there, allowing the gas to bypass inside the head pressure control valve, so it wasn't a failure of the valve.

It was contaminants in the system. Now that i'm interested to know what that is, i don't know if that's something from the compressor, because that's pretty hard metal, so there was something floating around in there for sure caused some damage. Our system is pumped down and we went ahead and took a heat producing device and we heated up the side of the receiver. Now my paint marker went a little crazy, but uh that line up top is the liquid level, so the liquid levels at the three-quarter mark.

We can't put any more refrigerant in this system. That's the maximum amount, we didn't add any that's what we took out. So the system has the maximum amount of refrigerant in it. So at this point, we're gon na go ahead and uh clean up all of our tools and then do a thorough cleaning on this condenser, because it's dirty well.

I was able to kind of get into this condenser back in here and i'm gon na get some coil cleaner kind of spray it from this side out. It's not gon na be perfect. It's not too thick. So i'll be honest.

I probably don't need to do a whole lot from it here. I might just rinse it from in here um, because again it's only it's only this thick. I think we can get right through that no problem as long as the water is going through, but we'll have to see if it actually goes all the way through. I think it is yeah, but it's always best to try to get it from the inside out.
If you can so we're using the venom pack brightener, i'm gon na get in here and go to town, so i'm not i'm on, like the second to least amount of concentration. Basically so we're going to get it all on there. Let it sit. This is the the brightener, so you got to be careful about leaving it on too long we're going to let it sit on there break everything down and then we'll give it a good rinse and let's see what we can get out of this bad boy went Out, nice and good, i can hear it going right through the other side.

So it's nice and clean some good stuff coming out the bottom, but we're gon na be good to go all right, we're all cleaned up um! I had ramped both of these thermostats down. Really low so the way they do it. One of these fan motors runs 24. 7.

The other two are staged on temperature controllers and i have it set for 80 and 85 set all the defrost plugs. Everything else is put back in so we're just slowly. Wrapping this one up, the box, i went down there a few minutes ago. The box was at uh 50 degrees and they had just gotten a food delivery.

So that's why we've only been up here for like three hours or so, but the uh, the box. Temp came up way high, but it's because they got a delivery and they left the door open and all that stuff, so um, but yeah we're should be doing good head pressure yeah. Looking good. I just got a wet condenser right now too, though, but we're getting there.

Okay, we're gon na autopsy this little guy, so we're gon na pour out the oil first see how much is in it. So far, just letting the oil pour out we're gon na try to figure out why this guy failed. It's been long enough that i can honestly tell you. I don't remember what happened to it.

You guys are watching the video, so you guys have already seen what happened to it. I'm trying to remember, i don't know if it was a starting component failure or a locked road ramps. It's been a long couple weeks, so i've been sitting on this video for a while. So there's some oil, not a lot of oil, though well we're gon na keep letting it drain and then we'll see what comes of it.

Okay, the oil doesn't look bad, but there's also not a lot of it in there. So i don't see too many rust flakes or anything i mean uh. You know metal shavings or anything in it yet, but we'll go ahead and open this guy up and give it a cut. So the easiest way on these guys each one of these little dimples right here is what's holding part of the scroll together.

It actually sits inside in there and holds the mechanism in place, so we're going to cut around the top we're going to cut down the seam and we'll cut around the bottom and we'll separate the scroll assembly. Every time i cut one of these open and i get to pull the head off, i think of the movie uh hannibal when he pulls the dude's head off when the dude's still alive. Now, when i do this, you want to try to be as careful as possible to not get the metal shavings inside it's inevitable that you're going to get some in there, but okay, we've got the top off. Now now we've got to cut down the seam.
The weld right here so we're going to cut straight down this weld and then we'll probably have to flip it over and cut the bottom off too. All right, we got the shell cut open. Now you see the fusite plug right on the back side is just another plug, and then on that it looks just like a standard compressor plug okay. So we've got this.

Guy opened up now we're gon na disassemble it get it separated. You can see these little um dimples right here, see those those are them right there and they actually set in the housing right here and hold this in okay. So we're gon na keep on going through this guy. Now little round dimples inside this they're scarring on the top of the scroll plate.

That's very interesting! I don't know if you guys can see it very well, but it's like round scarring in there and same thing in here. Look at this huh! That's very interesting! There's plenty of oil in here, so i don't think it was a lack of oil, huh wow, look at that man, that is some serious scarring to the surface. There very interesting huh, very interesting when it comes to these guys um. I, like saving the parts just for demonstration purposes later, so what i'll do is take some of the multi-purpose cleaner from refrigeration technologies, put it in a bucket and it works as a good degreaser it let it sit in there for about a day or two, and Then, once you pull the parts out, rinse them immediately and dry them off and you'll.

Have nice good, clean scroll, compressor parts and it'll help to break down all the grease and oils and everything so we're gon na set all the parts in the bucket fill it up with water degrease it and i'll use this for demonstration purposes later. This is a nice one, because it's a really small one and it's not too heavy all right. There was clearly something making its way through the system that compressor to me looked like it had been pounding on something. The the whole scroll plate was completely polished like something abrasive.

Something was moving through there and then the uh head pressure control valve that had something stuck in it. I can't tell you how many people i see on social media message me comment on my youtube videos of how they hate head pressure, control valves and how they always fail. In my opinion, head pressure, control valves don't fail on their own, just like a compressor. They're.
Typically, murdered okay, the amount of head pressure, control valves that actually have a failure. That is just a valve. That's worn out or something like that, in my opinion, is very, very rare majority of the time it's improper refrigeration practices and or some sort of component in the system that is broken now, on the flip side, hey, maybe we should put some kind of a strainer Like or or even some sort of, a filter, dryer or something like that, that's not a bad idea installing a filter, dryer uh before the head pressure control valve to catch anything from going into it. You know, because majority of the time i i've honestly never really thought about that, but now that i do majority of the time the head pressure control valve has failed that i've seen it has been something contaminating the inside of it.

You know. So if we put some sort of a filter or a strainer, something that's removable, i'd like to be a flare or something like that that you know we can pop out ball valve it off and clean the dryer, or something like that that would potentially prevent whatever Was stuck inside that valve and i can't help but wonder if what was stuck inside that valve had made its way through the compressor too. I know it's almost impossible for something to make its way all the way up into that scroll assembly, but i mean obviously it did because it made it out of the out of the discharge line into the head pressure control valve, and it was clearly a piece Of something had this thing had a reciprocating compressor. Honestly, it looked like a piece of a reed from a valve plate is what it looked like.

Okay. So this was a frustrating call because you know, of course you heard me saying: please don't be a compressor, please don't be a compressor. This was late in the evening right or late afternoon that i got this call and then clearly it led into the evening, because i was changing the compressor now i used some some shortcuts, but you know i was still being smart about it. I didn't change the dryer the night that i changed the compressor because i knew i was coming back to change that pressure, control, hose um and the head pressure control valve.

So there's no point in wasting my time trying to change the dryer the night before uh. You know yeah, it was a flare, but still i you know, i just wanted to go home and there's nothing wrong with that. Okay and then also the way that i changed, the compressor i valved it off and just recovered the charge in the compressor shell. Then swapped out the compressor.

If you look at the systems depending on the setup, you know you can do that and it could save you some time. Okay, so we got the system operational. Clearly, though, right i've said before, if you choose to take shortcuts, sometimes there can be repercussions and be prepared to have to solve those repercussions right in my situation, i took a shortcut and didn't protect the low pressure control hose and it melted off. Okay, honestly, one of the reasons why i don't like those flexible hoses is because they're susceptible to that kind of damage, but on the flip side a capillary tube hose can break too if it rubs up against something.
But if a capillary tube hose is properly installed. You're never going to get it melting off and it's never going to rub up against something if you secure it appropriately putting silicone on it that kind of stuff, okay, but anyways. I went back to the pressure control hose put that back on uh. You know i ran into some struggles.

I tried to leave those struggles in the video like when i was uh brazen in the head pressure control valve. I was having some issues with it getting to fit back in. You know this kind of stuff happens and you saw how difficult it was. I had to climb head first in there to change the dryer.

This stuff is real. Okay, these are the things that i run into all the time and a lot of you guys probably run into those things too, and i feel like we need to show this more because so many people see this and they think. Oh, this is the easiest job in the world. While this is a fun job and it's a very rewarding job and it's a very technical job, sometimes you do run into difficulties and frustrations.

You know changing a compressor at night time getting home at nine ten o'clock at night. Okay, for you supermarket guys. I know you guys deal with this stuff all the time, but it's like commercial guys. You know i mean this is frustrating when we have to do these emergency calls.

I would say that i get calls like this. Maybe once a month, maybe once every other month i get a late night call where i have to change a compressor or something like that. It does happen. Okay, so really important when you are on call, you need to be prepared.

Okay, remember that when you are on call don't drink, you know don't do things. That's going to impair your ability, be careful about taking medications and things like that, because you will get those calls and they do come in at two in the morning three in the morning it happens. Okay, so um i like to autopsy the compressors honestly, though, when i pulled this one apart, i could see there was damage, but it's interesting, though, because when this thing was trying to run um, you know when i was diagnosing it. The damage that i saw to the compressor - i haven't quite connected that to the failure.

The failure of the compressor was the motor was running, but it wasn't pumping. I didn't see a broken shaft or anything like that. I mean the motor seemed fine. The motor still had the proper resistance value.

Everything seemed good with it. There was no damage to the bearing surfaces. There looked like there was oil in the system. While it looked a little bit low, the parts were all lubricated properly inside the system and uh.
You know there was enough oil that the uh, the natural oil - it's not an oil pump, it's actually on the bottom of the shaft that it grabs it. I mean it seemed like that would would be pulling the oil up into the compressor, but it was interesting how polished those surfaces were on the scroll plate. So that's definitely an issue. What i'm actually going to do is i'm actually gon na send this uh the i'm gon na message, my buddy trevor matthews with emerson, and ask him to look at the the damage and uh.

You know i'll give him some points and and see what he has to say about it and what he thinks happened uh, because this is an interesting one. To me, you know i'll be honest. Majority of the scroll failures i see are either a grounded, scroll or um. I've seen mechanical failure inside the scroll.

I think i've autopsied a video showing that one and then also i've seen what's the other failure. Oh, the the pressure relief device has failed being that it's gone off so many times. You know uh the differential pressure relief valve i've seen that fail to where it won't pump anymore. You know, but i've never seen this failure where we had a locked up compressor, but then, when i opened it up it or it wasn't locked up where we had a compressor where the motor was running, but it wasn't pumping and another thing too.

Just to i, don't i don't think i showed it in the video enough. This compressor was not hot when i arrived, so it's not like it was off on a thermal overload or anything like that, and you could clearly see that it just wasn't pumping. There was something going on inside that compressor, there's an interesting one: okay, um yeah. I think that's pretty much everything that i wanted to cover.

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42 thoughts on “Late night walk in cooler call…..”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kyle Veilleux says:

    that piece of metal that was lodged in the valve may have had something to do with the circular markings on the scroll assembly in the compressor… the scroll doesnt rotate, it oscillates. like an orbital sander… it looks like the metal piece got sucked into the scroll and worked its way through, and out through the discharge line then into the head pressure bypass… im guessing the metal piece is maybe part of the scroll assembly that got chipped off somehow, or maybe a piece of a the motor laminations? … its hard to say when you cant actually look over the parts yourself….

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rogel Ebro says:

    I have a suggestion to check if there was a discharge pressure and suction pressure …Cut-off the line of suction and discharge line and after that, run the compressor again and close by your thumb for second and release your thumb and check if there was an oozing sound…If not, the compressor was defective..

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars IxIBluePitIxI says:

    I dont know how I found this channel I dont have a background in HVAC but I can't get enough of his diagnostic skills great to watch. Thanks for the videos great job.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brett Waechter says:

    Great video, thanks for the upload. Love the montage music.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ironmac wade says:

    :O

    Good work bro πŸ™Œ Service area Kanata??

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Lloyd Brown says:

    Those marking on the scroll head are from the cnc milling process, they are made buy the milling bit. Are you in Nepean ?

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard Stephens says:

    it kind of looks like the tip of a compression fan

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ben L says:

    what kind of and brand are the wrenches you used to undo the dryer fittings?

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bill Smith says:

    Absolutely fascinating.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kim Kelley says:

    Great video and excellent comments about being "On Call". As an older school HVACR technician for a major restaurant chain, I found so many issues that could have been avoided by the regular technician performing their scheduled quarterly maintenance. Very simple stuff like belts, filters, lubrication, listening to the equipment etc. and so much of it was missed or ignored, until YOU get the emergency call at 11pm on a Friday night that an exhaust hood was down or a walk-in was hot. It's been 30 years since I've changed a compressor or handled a torch, but the current technology equipment you are using looks amazing for troubleshooting. I wish I was starting out now and had an HVACR tech with your skills, knowledge and dedication to learn from. It's still fascinating to watch good troubleshooting, and you do a very thorough job while at the same time adding commentary and tips.
    I moved from HVACR to building automation system (DDC) installation /repair/sales/engineering and that added a world of complexity. I would recommend to someone starting out to look into training on such systems and how they interface to and control HVACR equipment. It was a great career for 25+ years!

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Trogdordog04 Smith says:

    No interest in ur field , but I like ur videos . My suggestion is; train the guys below you. Train them to expect what you expect and the unexpected . Train them to fulfill ur duties while you are away. Train them to cover ur expertise so you can do more profitable managerial task . Logistics / parts .
    Don’t forget to keep ur training . Stay current in the field .

    Ur role is expertise/ experience. Continue to excel and lead with ur expertise. Lead by example .

    Last note : you already do well . Continue to do right , right will prevail.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dominik Bl says:

    Really stepping up the YouTube game here Chris! I like the montages with music especially watching during the gym and working out!

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars A D says:

    Late night huh that’s a bright ass headlamp you got Are you in Orleans ?

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pancake Larry says:

    Not sure if it’s been said but the circular damage to the scroll looks similar to the etchings of a CNC machine.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars gravey07 says:

    I tend to watch alot of engineering/machining videos on YT but this channel is great. Love your thought process and approach when fault finding. Also why is the tank sat in an ice bucket? Thanks

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars T Mst says:

    Isn't it wise to wear gloves when looking for a suspected short to ground?

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jose Salazar says:

    The amount of tooling to get this job done damn…

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Marco Castro says:

    The antenna is a internet wifi linck. UBNT

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tully Webster says:

    Is that PF Chang’s

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars JustMakinProgress says:

    .

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Hedrick says:

    Watching your videos makes me want to learn how to work on ac systems

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Cappy Cross says:

    @ 47 mins – as soon as you found that piece of metal on the control valve seat I thought why not some kind of the debris screen on the inlet side to protect from anything that might get loose in the system from damaging the valve or stopping its function. Same thing I have on my power washer that prevents anything from getting into the pump damaging the valves. That scarring on the scroll plate looks like something cylindrical or circular my possibly a small washer was spinning around getting pushed through the assembly. Finally got broken up and you found a piece of that stuck on the seat of the head pressure valve. Makes one wonder if there might be more pieces of whatever that came from, floating around in the system somewhere? Great video!!! Service area Orleans??

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars herauthon four says:

    Lovely Learning +
    And Delightfull MiDi Synth
    .oO( dreaming of AmigaDemo )

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars J C says:

    Man is a master. Only thing I see is him grabbing hot pipes lol.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 2purplemartin1 says:

    I’m wondering if the part really did have the proper lubrication, remember you flipped it over to drain the oil and it may have lubricated the scroll then…. Just a thought. I’m curious to why it wasn’t pumping, makes me think something lifted the scrolls like a digital scroll.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rich Brockmeier says:

    Dude, love your videos as always. But why the music now? I just don't care for music during an instructional video.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Dimit says:

    That Dish at the begining is for internet/pvt network connection. point to point Microwave not sateliittle, very lower power

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hayze Productions says:

    Shame on them for not using a sporlan catch all!

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nick Wallette says:

    I laughed at the satellite dish "giving me herpes … or curing me of it, I dunno" …. and then I started feeling like that's not actually so far out there, with all the other medical conspiracies I've heard over the last couple years. Are you in Kanata ?

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jonka1 says:

    A broken piece of a valve? maybe a previous compressor?

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kevin V says:

    Thank you for posting brother

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dave Deaver says:

    πŸ˜€Thanks for always going into great detail! Extremely helpful and appreciated. ☺️

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tr says:

    Man, you are puting a lot of effort to diagnose real problem, instead of fix and leave!

    Appreciated all your effort to show every detail and to make videos. Service area Ottawa??

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Philip Pagliarulo says:

    I love the 80’s montage moments in your videos πŸ‘So good

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Cincinnatus Aurelius says:

    Props for doing an autopsy to determine what went wrong and why. It's the only way to know for certain. I have always done them and that's how you learn. Much respect for you sharing your skills and knowledge!

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars zestynachos1 says:

    That scarring looks like a bad machining job by factory. Looks like the tooling marks from the end mill bits used to mill out the pattern, usually machined so those are smoothed out and not visible, bad quality control.

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rey Rodriguez says:

    Misting device πŸ˜†

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars BigHuff2316 says:

    When you have the valves right there at the compressor, do you still have to evacuate the system? Guy at work says just valve it off and everything will be fine? Is that true?

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Rece says:

    How is the competitive side in your area with fees and and your field tickets time on each job etc?

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Shane Bird says:

    What do you mean by the receiver port loses pressure with the pump down? Service area Barrhaven??

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars killernat says:

    I work on various CNC machines some of which have hydraulic power packs. dealing with debris in valve manifolds is such a nightmare all it takes is a 1mmx 0.1mm long chip to cause valves especially check valves and regulators to just bypass. seeing a piece that size is terrifying

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 001tracker001 says:

    Use recovery machine to recover and to pump back in. A quick way to recharge 100% of refrigerant recovered. πŸ‘Œ

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