Here we had a service call on a 15 ton split system that was leaking water. We found that the two speed fan was not ramping up to high speed and there was also a refrigerant leak.
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So this unit is leaking water everywhere drain pans not plugged up. We've had a history of a refrigerant leak on the first stage of this guy, so we're gon na check everything out right now so far, the blower assembly or the air handler has water signs in it, but the drain pan is not full, so we're gon na Do a analysis on this unit check the refrigerant charge and then possibly do a leak check this one's a tall one, because it's only accessible by a 16 foot ladder. It's a big boy there. She is okay, so this unit has a VFD tucked back inside there.
It's basically a 2-speed blower. What I found right now is that this unit was not wired up for two speeds, so the VFD was never speeding up to a hundred percent. So there's some funky wiring going on here. I'd like to correct this, but we'll have to talk to them.
For now I made a temporary fix. What happened was the original installers never landed the wires on the terminal block, so I figured out which one was which, if you look up here, we've got four wires and if you look at the schematic, basically this is common. This is G. That's signal to turn the fan on, but that turns it on in low speed and then you have it wired up to y2 and you have it wired up to w1, because this is a heat pump, so they have it wired up to w1, because during heating You want this fan running out a hundred percent and during cooling you want the indoor fan running out a hundred percent when the second-stage comes on, so they didn't have the second-stage wired up.
They had the heating wired up, but not the second stage for the cooling and we've got a water leak problem here, so I temporarily repaired it by running a jumper from G to y2, as you can see right there and now it powers at a hundred percent. When the blower motor turns on until we can get in here and really troubleshoot this wiring and figure out what's up, but that's a major issue - and this is a major installing issue that someone never corrected correctly - they just never landed. The wires is what they didn't. Do this particular location is located on top of a shopping mall, if you don't have the joys of working on shopping malls.
Yet I don't ever wish that on anybody in your family or yourself, because they're fun say the least, usually a game of playing with security. Then losing your insurance paperwork then telling you the unlock the door that they did in all kinds of fun. Stuff like that. So we'll see if we get lucky right now well looks like we're lucky, but we're going out there.
I brought the bare minimum of tools that I thought I would need there's times that you like a cage on your ladder, but then, when you carry a tool backpack that cage sucks, luckily I didn't bring my backpack right now, so not too bad will see at The top and our equipments all the way at the other end of the roof. We share the roof with a movie theater and two or three other restaurants. This restaurant actually isn't part of the actual shopping mall, it's a building they added about seven years ago. So I guess it could be worse when I'm doing work like this, where all that I'm gon na do today is just put some refrigerant in the Sunnah and that's it. We're gon na come back. We're gon na quote everything, so I usually won't bring my big tool backpack. I got my small little veto bag. I believe this is, I think, it's the env2.
I think don't quote me on that, but it's the tall meter bag. So I'm pretty sure that's the env2, and then I have one of these lug jugger straps for carrying refrigerant and I'll. Just strap it to it. Pretty sure you can get all that stuff at true tech tools.
I believe that's what I think I got it all. So we're just going to top off the charge, so we've got an 80 degree liquid line temp and 293 for our liquid pressure. So if we go to 293, that puts us like right about here and then we go at about 80. That put that actually puts us right on the line, so we're actually look like we're about perfect.
So, even though it's leaking, it hasn't leaked out enough to be low. Yet is what it looks like, so we're gon na check the other circuit to okay. So this is my other circuit. Look at my liquid line: temperature about 80 degrees 79 and my liquid line pressures to 96 call it 300.
So if we go to our chart right here, I have a mark right here at about the 300 mark and then, if you take 79 over here and follow it over, puts us about right on the right on the curve. So we don't need to add gas to either circuit, so I'm all finished up up here, I'm taking my gauges off. It's always important that you purge the refrigerant back into the system. Obviously, if you don't already know disconnect the high side valve it off, take it off.
You know open up the high side, purge it into the low side and basically that the system suck up as much as it can another really important tip is our service caps. Always inspect your service caps to make sure they have the rubber o-rings inside of them. Those rubber o-rings will cause you a headache. Later I got everything all disconnected and I'm just kind of surveying what I'm gon na need to repair this leak.
You always want to look at the big picture. More than likely, I'm gon na be able to pump the refrigerant down into this condenser, but I also in my head, want to keep in mind how much refrigerant I think that this system has, I could calculate it. I could make an estimation by measuring the liquid line. I really don't know, though I could take yeah.
You could figure it out by doing some math, but I really don't know. I'm gon na estimate that this system takes about 40 pounds in each stage. Maybe 30 pounds somewhere in there, so what I'm gon na do I see that I need a dryer, it's a 16-4 sweat, so we'll bring one of those by flow and then I'll go ahead in my quote and include a recovery charge. Make sure it's for a fifty pound tank because we can get 30 40 pounds in there or something like that. So just in case I can't pump it all down into the condenser. I can have a recovery tank handy then we'll fix the leak, the leaks on the second stage, equalizer line - that's pretty much it! That's all we're gon na need for this I'll kind of estimate that, in my quote, that it's going to take ten pounds of gas, but it probably won't so you know I'll just let them know and that's pretty much it so we'll get it quote to him And then see what they say so on that one, it's a recap: we had a service call on a water leak coming from the fan coil unit for a split system, heat pump. This is a 15-ton system. When I got there, the drain pan had a little standing water in it, so we blew out the drain just to be safe, but I was looking at the water on the the filters are at a slant, so it's a slanted coil.
So I was looking at the water pattern because water had been dripping on the filters and it was indicating to me that it was actually dripping off the coil, not necessarily just overflowing the drain pan. So I think we had a couple problems there. It's important that you don't just have tunnel vision, find a plugged up drain move on, I dug into it a little bit deeper and what I actually found was that the indoor fan was never ramping up to a hundred percent, so that has a VFD. So it's a two-speed fan.
It's this! You know title 24 efficiency stuff here in California that we do. I'm sure I think it's just getting everywhere to be honest with you, but it's an energy efficiency thing they're running the indoor fan on a low speed when just the first stage is calling and they're running it on a high speed when the second stage calls well. This one was never running on high speed, so the second stage would start calling and it would start getting cold on the coil, but we weren't getting enough airflow. So more than likely it would start frosting up or condensating a lot and it would in a drain correctly and it started dripping down into the the bottom of the fan coil unit and tripping over the customers.
So I corrected that problem. But then previously I had talked off the charge on this, probably about a month or two ago, and they never had me come back out and do a leak check. So while I was in there, I did a leak check and I found that leak of which I had topped off the charge. The last time for so I located the leak, went upstairs to top off the charge again and it actually hasn't even leaked out enough.
So I didn't have to add any gas at this time, but now I can give them an official quote to repair the leak and get the unit operational and then I'm also I did a temporary fix on the electrical. I really don't like the way that it was set up, as if you saw in the video they never landed the wires on the terminals. They were just basically wire noted and I just don't like the way that it was. I did a temporary fix by running power from Qi over why on the terminal strip, because that's the way that that air handler knows that it's calling for second stage is when y2 gets energized. There's a wire that runs to the VFD Drive and it just looks for a 24 volt signal when it gets that 24 volt signal and ram2 the VFD to a hundred so anyways. I just did a jumper wire from G to y2. So that way, it's gon na run full speed, 24/7, no ramping down at this time, and I would like to permanently fix it. But even if they didn't approve the fix, it would be fine running on high speed it just wouldn't as be as efficient.
Essentially so we'll submit the quotes and we'll see what happens all right.
Hello so some blowers are hocked up to a condenser I guess and some are hocked up to an indoor ventilations like witch ones are on the condenser and witch are in a indoor ventilation unit? Are you in Ottawa ?
Love those "Native" shades. Looks cool 🙂 Can one still get those from somewhere?
Looks like a Green-New-Steal conflict on the way: Slow down fan = less Outside-Fresh-Air !!!!!! Bad for proper Covid practice Service area Nepean??
I once had an old lady shout at my co-worker because she'd seen me walking around on the roof, (with a lanyard btw(. She was angry that I wasn't wearing a helmet. Im proud of my buddy pointing out that the helmet is to stop damage done by things falling on your head. (NOT TO SAVE MY LIFE FROM A FALL. 🤣
Its 2020 now ! 2 years ago those wire sman hook ups !!! Haha Used to watching you work with measurequick now!
It would have been great to see the unit running 100% cooling before any modifications to see the issue happening. Yeah, mostly likely the fan speed issue has a lot to do. I wonder if the condensate tray was 100% levelled also.
As a sparky whose done the malls, skyscrapers and almost everything in between, man you got some grit and selflessness. Your parents raised an awesome person!
Is this the Tyler mall ? Looks familiar Are you in Kanata ?
Great video. My OCD took over. You're 4' short on your 16' step ladder. Cheers!
Isnt there a concern of multiple leaks on a system? Accessing U bends around the units can be a nightmare. I always throw on my 550 and get a pressure drop reading if I'm unsure.
i remember not long ago when i did this kind of work, i developed a strong body by carrying tools, vac pump, recovery unit, cylinders , up ladders and stairs,,, mostly in hot weather….I did not need any additional excessive after that,,, just a good bath…. Thank you for the video,
Hey mate,new subscriber here,I'm an electrician from Australia & from time to time I get calls for airconditioning issues(domestic)& depending on what the caller tells me,I'll either go & have a look or I'll send it to a mate,but I really enjoy your videos,because you are always telling the viewer what you are doing,there's nothing more annoying than watching a video & the guy says nothing & it's like "yeah that was great mate,very informative😑 hey just a quick question,have you ever used cat5 data cable for your control wiring?or more to the point,are you are you allowed to?cheers man keep em coming!
you should carry a rope so that way when you are stuck with a backpack you can just leave the backpack on the floor once you get to the top just pull it up !!!!
Why didn't you put the jumper from y1 to y2? Putting the jumper from G , wouldn't when you call for heat , the g will still give power to y2? Or am I wrong ?
Awesome video 👍. Thanks
Thanks for your time and help
im not an HVAC tech, but these videos fascinate the hell out of me.
I have also see that if there’s a grease issue it can also drip thru the filters even tho the coils look amazing clean and even foam and clean won’t take it off spoke to carrier engineering and they say a heavy mix of dawn dish soap wash is the only thing that will clear it that job drove us nuts lol and with those slant could we have even had to resort to Drip eliminators to fix a water thru filter drip but great job with the fan it’s amazing how many people miss it don’t care to do a proper job Service area Kanata??
Love the detail of what it takes to run the call and find that little leak. Leak searching can be a head ache for sure.
Which leak detector do you use? I’m using dye and bubbles and I hate dye. I’m ready to buy a leak detector.
If I may add a tip, before I put on my gauges, I start checking the Schrader pin, if it's not leaking.
lugjugger lol Service area Ottawa??
Ahh! Ive been there! Tyler mall in riverside! Hate that place we did the bigass boiler for yardhouse.
Did you see that one coil for the theater?? My god she is plugged
"Always inspect your service caps to make sure they have the rubber o-rings inside, those o-rings will cause you a headache later." LOL
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Your condensate issue where your finding water dripping onto your filters could be due to the fact that units with slanted evap coils the low voltage wiring must be wired so when it calls for cooling y1 has to be energize first I seen it where the wiring was mixed up where y1( bottom half of coil) was actually y2 (top half of coil) what happens is on the slanting of a coil y2 would be the top half of the coil if you energized top half before the bottom half (y1) the coil can't Wick the moisture all the way down the coil into the drain pan cuz it hits a dry spot and gets blown off into a blower section into the fan I don't know if this was your issue your wiring issue anyway good vid
Man that area looks like riverside lol
Great video and I feel your pain on dealing with shopping centers….how do you like the field piece digital manifold? I was looking at that one and a testo 550 but still haven’t pulled the trigger yet.
You definitely got your exercise on this job. Good job finding that tiny leak. If you think of it on another job, can you show how purge the hoses and get some of the refrigerant back into the system. Thanks.
I do work on AMC RTUs and they are cheap ass bastards
Do you work for yourself ?
What mall was that? Bitchin' rockstar diagnosis, by the way 👍
Good video. Good find on that fan wiring 👍
HVACR hey man how do you quote your labor, do you pad it then adjust if the repair takes less then quoted? Are you in Barrhaven ?
Excellent video! ~ Thanks for sharing your experience and insights!!
I understand how the terminal block functions on a furnace, do those "terminal strips" operate in a similar fashion?
Man ur good. Would love to work with someone that works the way u do Service area Orleans??
what brand leak detector do you use?
What brand of leak detector soap is that you are using? looks like it works really good.