This was a kitchen ac call during a bad heat wave, the unit had shut down and caused their computer system to fail... but I got the unit back up and running and all was kinda well after that.
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It is sunday morning i had a somewhat of a late night compressor change out last night and this call actually came in yesterday evening, but it was for an air conditioner. So i was like no not gon na happen last night, so we're coming out this morning, uh supposedly the office and kitchen ac is completely down, which is one unit, so we're gon na jump into it. You know these these on-call weekends. They can suck sometimes, but just just mentally, prepare yourself.
You know you're gon na get calls don't make plans, at least that's how i roll. I don't like to make plans. I don't like to do anything because then i don't get my hopes up, so we're gon na see what we can get on film all right. This is the offender.
Today it is a york, it's probably like a 10 ton, i'm guessing. So, let's open up the electrical section and see what we got going on all right, so we've got an error. Message looks like on multiple stages, all right, so what we're going to do is we're going to count the flashes one. Two three one, two three four one, two three one, two three four and then, if you come down to this guy uh high pressure, high pressure, so three and four is high pressure controls so we're off on high pressure.
This unit's missing an outdoor air filter up right here. It's completely missing um. Let's take a look at this condenser. It looks beat down, but it doesn't look as dirty.
So hopefully we don't have condenser fan motors because i don't have any all right. So what we're gon na do is uh reset this bad boy see, i think it's been a while, but i think you can reset it from right here. I can't remember how to do this. I thought you could reset it.
Let's try to hold it down there. We go okay and uh. Let's pop our head up here, let's see, what's going on, looks like we got a failed condenser fan motor right here. I'm gon na have to open it up and see what the specs are see.
If we can uh get something in there temporarily, i i don't have an oem one for sure, so this guy is locked up. It won't even budge uh. Here's the deal we're going to disconnect power to that motor and then we're going to put a mister on this condenser to get us going temporarily um these york units. They have lower cfm condenser fan motors. I think they only run like 800 cfms or rpms. I should say so: i'm not going to go through the hassle of putting a 1075 on there when i can just put a mister on the condenser and then come back with the oem one and not have to do double the work. Okay, so we've got a bad condenser fan motor and i don't have an oem one, but i'm gon na have to put an aftermarket one on because i tried rinsing the condenser off, and i've said this before, but the micro channel is actually holding the water in And it's not allowing the water to evaporate, so it's still going off on high head pressure, so i'm taking the side panel off to be able to access this condenser, and you know i really don't like to talk crap. I really don't like to say: one brand is worse than the other, but i'm sorry these are the stupidest units ever really jci york.
I don't give a crap, you guys suck there's screws right here. What is the purpose of having three screws right there on the inside that i can't get to how the hell do you guys expect people to clean a condenser properly? You guys set yourselves up for failure. This is the dumbest crap ever and i know you guys know that those screws are dumb. I i'm just seriously.
This is freaking dumb, it's sunday, i'm trying. You know like what a dumb ass, so i got ta get in here. If you ever get these screws out, don't ever put them back in you, you leave these stupid screws out and it's dumb there's a screw hole here and there's a screw hole here. What is the purpose of having screws on the inside right there? That is just ridiculous, all right, so here's the deal this unit has uh 800 cfm or 875 810, whatever uh rpm condenser fan motors.
I don't have those i got 10.75. That will get me through the weekend. Okay, this customer needs this because what's happening is it's so hot in their kitch? Excuse me, it's so hot in their kitchen that um the computer systems are shutting down, so they don't care what it costs. So we're gon na we're gon na put a temporary 1075 motor in there.
It'll get us through the weekend. Now with that being said, the fact that they're running um lower rpm, they put a they, usually put a bigger pitch on the blade. So you have to compensate for that. So, what's in here is a third horsepower.
Condenser fan motor that runs at two amps. We have to make sure that we put a big enough motor in here that it can compensate for the higher current draw. That's going to happen when it tries to spend 10 75 rpms on a blade with that pitch, so i'm actually going to put a three quarter in here and that should do the trick temporarily uh. You know just to get us through.
So here's what i have to do, i have to take a long, shank nut driver and blindly go up into the unit and attempt to find the screws. I already got one um and i got ta get to the second one too. This is ridiculous. Sorry got this one up here now, there's another one right here, so dumb so dumb they got screw here and screw here i mean i'm reaching my hand up inside out. This is dumb all right. Um, i'm gon na change out this condenser fan motor now yeah. We're locked up so, like i said, i'm gon na go with a three quarter, we'll have to cut the shaft down, and this is just temporary hold the screen off bird screen. Whatever you want to call it um put some uh penetrating oil or rust buster.
Essentially, it's not well, it is penetrating oil on there. Let it sit while i'm kind of taking things apart. We're gon na loosen these guys up, try to get this to break free, just a little bit out of time. Baby steps you can hear the bearings are: that's the bearings, that's bad, so we have an aftermarket 1075 rpm motor here, uh, it's just a hair taller.
You got ta, be careful about that, because that puts the blade up higher um but anyways. This is just temporary. So we've got the drain plugs of the weed plugs okay, so this one's gon na go shaft up, so you leave those plugs in and then you go on the bottom and you remove the wheat plugs right here so because this is a totally enclosed motor. It has no way for condensation to get out here in california.
We really don't have very many condensation issues, but still if it was to rain or something like that and water was to get in, you want it to be able to drain out so the motor doesn't fill up. Okay in a perfect world too, we would put a rain guard on here. But again i don't have one, but this is literally only gon na be for two days. It's sunday right now we got a holiday tomorrow on monday and then tuesday, wednesday, we'll get someone out here so long as we can find the oem motor all right.
We've got the motor installed. I haven't wired it in yet, but what i'm doing is i need to identify which capacitor goes to which, because i'm running a three-wire setup um, so i don't have to have a run cap over here. You just tape off the white and brown and you connect just the solid brown to the capacitor. It actually tells you how to do that on here too.
So what i did was i found the capacitor lead, which is the brown wire and i grounded it out. Okay and then i just come over here and test each capacitor's brown wire to ground until we figure out which one is it and this one's it right here, this top capacitor. So this is the one we're gon na change and then hopefully, we'll put the panel on we'll verify rotation and then we'll put the panel back on verified rotation. It's spinning in the right direction like that.
So now we're going to go and put this side panel back on and uh. Take a current draw reading make sure everything's good we're allowed to run 4.7 amps on this three-quarter horsepower motor. So i'm taking a guesstimate that that should be enough, because the original motor ran 2.1, so i'm hoping we're gon na be okay, because again, that blade has a stronger pitch all right. We are running three amps, so we're not over amping. Now we do not want to leave it like this, because now we have one blade pulling out more air than it's supposed to. Theoretically, not letting the air absorb the correct amount of heat from the condenser, okay, so um, and then obviously reject it from the system. We don't want to leave it like that, but this will get us through temporarily, but something i want to point out. I rinsed this condenser about an hour and a half ago before i started doing all this, and this condenser is completely still vapor locked.
Actually, that's so hot, it's burning my hand because it turned on this is what i'm talking about with these condensers. You have to make sure that you tap or blow that stuff out. If you don't, you can trip the unit on high head pressure and what happens is that water actually gets stuck in there because of the tiny little openings it's kind of like vapor locked in there and the condenser fan motor blade can't pull it out. So therefore it it's just like having a plugged up condenser, so i'm gon na go grab my little uh milwaukee blower and we're gon na blow all that out all right.
Let's get this guy blown out, see all that water. That's coming out of there! That wasn't before, because it's just you know, like i said, hydrolog or vapor, lock or whatever you want to call it. Isn't it these contactors, don't look the greatest. It's like we're, just satisfied um.
So when we come back we're probably going to change the contactors too. I open these ones up and they're looking amazing. They don't have a voltage drop across from them, but now that i got all that water out of there, you can see the condenser actually dried off, so it you know, looks like we still got a little bit of water down here, because you can see the Wet spot, so it you know, people don't realize like they. They say in the comments.
Oh that's not true. You know on the micro channel, but it is the water just gets stuck in there and it'll cause it to go off on high hip pressure. We notice it a lot out in the really high ambient desert conditions like we have like right now: uh it's about 113. I think right now and i think our high today is supposed to be 118 and uh yeah.
These things are just dying, so the customer is going to be happy, we'll dial everything in when we get back, we'll change that motor and the blade we're in measure quick right now, um we've got high sub cooling. This is the first stage. We've got high sub cooling discharge line temps not that bad outdoor air is kind of high. Obviously, we've got a real high temp split.
What's the dealio with airflow something's funky there, let's make sure that we've got everything profiled correctly. Ah yeah, i didn't save it. So it's a 12 and a half ton and we're a package unit, txb 13 to 16 seer yeah i'd, say: that's accurate, save there we go now, let's see much better, much better, all right, so our sub coins rather high, but remember something that condenser fan motor Is moving too much air, so it's not allowing it to draw the correct amount of heat out of the condenser um and again this is my first stage, so i'm contemplating moving that blade up a little bit to draw a little bit less air and see if We can drop that sub cooling a little bit. Let's see what measure quick has to say system may be overcharged with refrigerant txv. I don't think there's a txv. I think that it's all about that condenser fan blade all right. So i moved this guy up. I'm going to leave it loose, i moved it higher than the other ones.
Now we're gon na see what that does all right, so we're back up and running our sub cooling is definitely lower. We're looking a little bit better outer air is 115. Okay. I, like that um we're gon na, let it run for a little while and i'm gon na check out the second stage.
All right, that's looking good uh measure, quick, i'm pretty happy with it. I need to button up that uh fan guard cover. I need to put that back on and put some screws back in, but that's going to probably be it for today and we'll order the motor and come back all right, i'm back here today. It's the weirdest thing ever.
It is 85 degrees outside and overcast and cloudy kind of like cool, but it's literally was 100 and, like 20 degrees yesterday, so weird this weather's a trip all right. So this ac is still running. I've got a new condenser fan motor um, we're going to put this on. Let's see if we have any safeties.
The manager said that the ac has been working great, since i got it going. Look in here, no air messages, just the normal, heartbeat, everything's cool. So we're gon na power, this guy down, pull the condenser apart again like i did and swap out the fan motor with the oem 850 rpm motor. It's kind of a shame, because that motor is a perfectly good motor, but i did have to cut the leads short.
I'm not a fan of keeping used motors in my van, but maybe we can find. I know they have a couple of their acs that are down that one and that one so who knows maybe they'll, have a bad condenser fan motor but anyways uh 208 volt 850 rpm. So this is the right replacement motor. It's an oem motor, we're gon na slap this guy in and uh.
Hopefully, all will be well all right. Let's talk about the the blade depth, so it's really important that you try to to set the blade depth back to oem, okay, if at all possible. Now, if your blade goes down too far now this one, it doesn't physically. Let me go down too far, but on some of them you can push it down so far that this leading edge right here will be below the shroud and if it's below the shroud, then theoretically it could recycle air back into the condenser, and you will have Some issues, okay, so typically, i want my leading edge on the top to sit into the shroud anywhere from a half inch to an inch. Something like that. Now what you can also do is you can also look at the oem motors that have never been changed and look at the shaft placement. That's going to put my shaft sticking out of the hub about that far, which is going to give me about an inch and a half of a leading edge into the shroud which i'm comfortable with, and i'm going to go ahead and set it there. Okay, now on the old motor, what i ended up doing, because it was moving too many rpms and it was moving too much air.
Essentially, i ended up moving it way out all the way out. So that way it was only scooping so much air from here. So the other one i lifted way high. So that way, this edge was only sticking into here about half an inch and that allowed the system to continue to run and it wasn't moving too much air.
But when i go back with the oem, you got to make sure you set your blade depth. Correct same thing goes for walk-in coolers, walk in freezers. You always want to pay attention to the blade depth in the shroud, and if you have it too far in there, it's going to recycle air got the motor changed out, got the capacitor replaced. I had mentioned about these contactors, they don't look.
The greatest definitely got some burning going on in there, so we're gon na go ahead and swap out those contactors too. I brought some new ones. I swapped out the contactors got the amp clamp on the condenser fan motor, we're gon na fire it up and then we're gon na make sure that um compressors are running in the right directions. Sounds good, sounds good.
We're allowed to run 2.1 amps we're running 1.56. That's good, looking good! Let's wait till this guy! The second stage kicks on we'll check those ones too, but yeah good airflow, all right, i'm a happy camper yeah! This isn't good! So i'm walking around i've been on this restaurant before i'm walking around, and i notice that there's bees crawling all over the floor everywhere. Um look over here. I'm gon na be very careful here that i don't get in trouble that that's all bees over there guys.
Someone busted up a hive or something because they've had a beehive here and uh. It was on the other side of that parapet. Wall they've dealt with it for a while, i'm kind of afraid. Right now, i'm gon na get stung, i'm not allergic or anything, but still there's bees everywhere and they're like lethargic crawling around see.
If i can do this get any, i don't know their bees swarming right now, so i got ta be careful but they're everywhere. It's like someone busted up the hive, there's tons of them yeah they sprayed something on them. That's crazy! I don't know if you guys can see those, but they are it's all bees moving around there's thousands of them all right. I am human um. You know. I have emotions uh, you know i was frustrated, it happens. Okay, i'm just like everybody else, all right, there's nothing special about me, i'm just a dude who happened to pick up a camera and put some crap on youtube um. This was a frustrating one.
Okay, this entire weekend was extremely frustrating for me and yes, i know people are gon na, say you've. You know i was, i knew i was gon na be on call. I knew it you know, but the calls just kept coming in and they always came in at really odd times and and while i never show it to the customer, i was genuinely frustrated okay, but i keep it to myself. You know vent it to friends or family, you know and just let them know that i'm frustrated or whatever but um.
You know york kind of got the blunt of my frustration um with the stupid placement of their screws and their package unit uh. You know i mean i'm not saying they have the worst air conditioner out there in the world because they work. I mean i have york units that have been out there for 20 years and they still run okay, but it's just it's still: frustrating okay, um, but again it's real right. I think i need to share more the real stuff and and show my frustration and things you know um.
It happens with all manufacturers. It's not just york york just happened to be the one that i was working on in this situation. Okay, so um. I got the customer operational.
That was the most important thing, so they had lost the ac the day before and i was actually fixing walk-in freezers in the middle of the 120 degree or 21 degree heat wave. We had crazy, record-breaking temps, so i was fixing walk-in freezers and i had uh two that night before uh i couldn't get to this customer. I just told them: it's not gon na happen. Okay, when i came back the next day, i had found out that the ac went down and they lost their computer system because their office was getting too hot and all that good stuff, so anyways, but i got it operational.
Okay, that's why i had to put a temporary condenser fan motor. I didn't see the need to open up a supply house um. You know the cost of the motor. It would have been about the cost of opening the supply house, so i had the motor in my truck.
I didn't need to ruin the supply houses guys evening. Basically, so i put the temporary motor in there made the fan shroud adjustment with the fan blade and got them running. Okay, i ended up having to leave that job. Well, i shouldn't say that i finished the job.
Everything was good. The unit was operational, like you guys saw. I changed the contactors too, and then the customer had asked me to look at a couple more acs and when i went to go, look at those other ac's. That's when i saw the bees, i'm not allergic to bees and i'm not necessarily afraid to be of bees. I mean, of course i don't want to get stung for no reason, but they were warning me. Okay and, as i was trying to walk over to the other ac's, i was getting dive bombed and they weren't landing on me, but they were warning me. They were coming at me, swooping around flying away and slowly pushing me away from whatever happened. It's a bummer that that hive got busted up like that.
I don't know the details of it. I did talk to the manager and um. Basically, the bees were excuse. The coke knows the bees were um infested in the wall, so they would have had to open up a wall to completely eliminate the hive or remove the hive to take them to another place.
Basically, and that would have been some serious, serious uh demolition to be able to open up a wall because they're going into multiple places now in the long run they may have to do that. Who knows? I don't know, but i told him that i would have to come back another day. It's now been a day and a half so i'll give it a couple more days and then we'll go out there and fix their other acs. Alright, i really really appreciate you guys making it to the end.
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The totally copied a Lennox L-Series package unit
I’m a be honest ,you know your shit. You been doing that shit a long time. Make the hell of some money.
I'm with you on that York unit I worked on many of them I get just as frustrated
I bet you some CEO somewhere is like I dont care about design all they care about is cost
They should get he design engineers out in the field. I have said this for many years when I was working. This goes for any product.
York units are the worst.I had to remove 40 something screws and electrical compartment to replace fan shaft on a new unit. I hate york units.
Motor just needs to be oiled
I'm pest control in NorCal. Those bees are a structural pest in the walls. It's sad but occasionally a colony have to be delt with properly. A shop-vac with soapy water is the preferred method, but some of the "larger companies" out there will just spray it and walk away.
Spraying bees is illegal where i live, and i honestly thought that was the case around the world at this point since i'm being told bees are pretty much about to be extinct all the time…
After reading the comments it honestly makes me wonder if our green party is just full of crap…
It should be required for any engineer to have to work in the field for 5 years before they're allowed to design anything.
I think they listened to you about the 2 screws cause I have pulled those panels off of some of those York units and I didn't have to pull those out.
JCI and york sucks. Are you in Nepean ?
I freaking curse York every time I have to take that panel off… so frustrating!
Coke nose funny guy.
Bro ur on a roof in 113? Holy effing crap! I do roofing in Alaska and when it hits 80 we are dying up there. Heats flipping awful, much prefer the colder climates it's way easier to get warm than it is to cool down.
The story of our life’s! Dealing with engineers who have never picked up a wrench before! Agree can be very frustrating but never the customers fault
Thanks Chris, hopefully York sees your video, engineers need to wear our shoes!
They do it so they'll fail and be purchased again.
I have bought a bit of time blocking off the fan that isn't working. As long as there is no division panel between it and the adjacent fan you will get a reasonable amount of airflow through the coil from the one fan. Depending on the unit blocking the one side off might get you to about 80-85* ambient. Head pressure might be relatively high but gets cooling until parts can be obtained.
a man speakin the truth about peoples shit ideas is goood news indeed Are you in Kanata ?
WHat, you wouldnt fight thousnads of bees to finish the job????? HOW DARE YOU YOU RUINED MY CHILDHOOD! Service area Orleans??
I would disconnect the motor, and cover it with cardboard and use the grill and screw it down just for it to get by for the time being, never had a prob doing it that way, blocking that fan section.
I'm not nice on Sunday mornings either.
WHY ARE ALL YOUR VIDEO TITLES IN CAPS LOCK? Service area Ottawa??
Why disentangle you trust remove the top and undo them across inside
Brazil HVAC.
Great job.
Why exactly you needed to take that side cover out? Yorks are junkers however that cfm is easy to change no need to pull that panels out
Lol my friends always laughed at me for taking my makita blower to the roof on PM’s. I would blow out cabinets and spider webs. Works on drains too! One of my good friends who is a large equipment person for York which is US air as you know. I always teased her about the crappy cabinets and rub outs spots! Are you in Ottawa ?
You don't need to apologize for being frustrated on a weekend call. We've all been there. At least you don't curse like a sailor and throw tools like a HVAC Tech I worked with some years ago. Haha! Keep up your very informative videos. I've been in the field for 22 years and I'm still learning new tricks and tips.
Strange how the water hangs in the condenser fins like that. You'd think the designer would have thought that through and built something else. It would seem that these units wouldn't do well in wet, windy climates where water can cling to the condenser…and the screw placement inside the shroud!! Every mechanic has similar stories of nightmare bolts to get at, I'm sure. Another interesting one!
I hate York as well.
Hello. Im currently a student in the Bakersfield area. I like the way you explain things. Is there any advice or how can i be in contact if i have any questions. Thanks for sharing your experience
It was so good to see you rant on York like that. The setup makes replacing the coil a pain in the ass too.
Thank you for not mounting the cap to the support arm. I am so tired of finding that left by others as a permanent repair. And yes, I have cursed those three screws myself. Service area Nepean??
that bit about putting on 1075hp on an 825hp, and it not allowing air to absorb as much heat from condenser because of higher rpm, that was very educational for me. I had no idea. I always put on a bit stronger motors to compensate for diff in rpm and not overamp. I thought it would only do better at higher rpm since it is pulling more air through. But so far I've only worked on residential units. So what the hell do I know
Ave the MICROCHANEL TUBING IN THAT TYPE YORK, got ANY BETTER ? Asking of leaks 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I'm a JCI tech and I completely agree on the design of our RTUs, they suck. Design/engineering do not think about service/maintenance at all (IMO).
Our air cooled chillers have no way to clean the condenser coils from the inside out, I personally pop the fan grills and walk the top of the units to accomplish that.
One way I clear the coils of water is to run the fans in reverse, it blows out quite a bit.
As far as i'm concerned badly designed units are fair game for criticism. Internal screws for a side panel is just plain dumb. Are you in Barrhaven ?
I agree. York is crap. Micro channel units are just destined to fail
Time to call JPThebeeman
I am reallly exited to see what tesla comes out for home ac and who knows comercial possibly smaller more efficient
I know I'm going to regret asking this so early, but can you refuse to work when there are that many bee's?