Vacuum Race is on in the symposium! Watch 2cfm NAVAC battery powered Vacuum Pump go against NAVAC 12cfm designed for commercial pump. Feat AK HVAC.
Join us on 3/11 โ 3/13 2021 for the 2ND annual HVAC/R training symposium. This will be a structured conference with classes and demos going on throughout each day from 8AM to 5PM with opportunities to hang out along the way. You will come away with new relationships with the best in the trade as well as some excellent training.
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Join us on 3/11 โ 3/13 2021 for the 2ND annual HVAC/R training symposium. This will be a structured conference with classes and demos going on throughout each day from 8AM to 5PM with opportunities to hang out along the way. You will come away with new relationships with the best in the trade as well as some excellent training.
Go to hvacrschool.com/events to find out more.
Calling him kevin this whole time. He'll! Never forgive me, but it's stuck it's a thing now so uh we're just showing off some of the vacuums and we actually set up this whole race over here. That was super popular, so tell us what you got going on here: what's the race, so what we got is uh 200 feet of 7 8 yoga pipe, and this is to simulate a five ton system with about a 30 to 40 foot line length, okay, um, Because the internal volume is the same uh when you do the math yeah, okay, all right so uh. We are hooking up a two cfm battery power pump, um using the true blue hoses um, and we have a micron gauge here and the valve cores.
Uh pulled. That's right battery power. He said look at how small that is look how tiny! That is, how that's incredible! Look at that little guy up against up against uh navax 12 cfm designed for the commercial guys vacuum pump. Now these are both dc motor pumps, uh.
So uh they are lightweight uh. Yes, it did. It does look big, but it is a little bit heavy um, but still wider than your average 12 cfm uh vacuum pump. Where this one, i think, is about seven pounds without the battery yeah, so yeah, okay, both pumps, uh, have that built-in check valve.
So if you do uh, you know lose your power or you don't have uh you run out of battery um, or if someone disconnects your power, you don't lose. Your vacuum have to start all over um, okay, so automatically just boom automatically shuts off. What's nice about the two, is we actually added a additional blank off valve there as a security blanket? Also, if you intentionally want to change your battery you're like okay, i know i'm getting close yeah. You can just go ahead and flip that up boom nice turn.
It off there nice on the valve core tools that we have uh. Ours is a two in one which is a 5 16 or a quarter inch and you'll notice that the quarter inch is already connected in there um so ready to go. So the difference between these two rigs and a lot of guys on facebook said this is well how come uh. You know, you're, not hooking up your micron gauge to the furthest point um on uh on one of the rigs.
Well, the reason why uh? They didn't add the connection, so sorry guys uh we're trying to do it as fair as possible. That's why we put them both right there, so you got a like for like experience on both both vacuums for the race. Okay, so on the 12 over here uh we are mimicking what most uh technicians do and what that is is hook your vacuum pump through a manifold through your low and your high side hoses. So you see right here: oh yeah, your hoses are hooked up to the system.
Yeah yep yeah, so uh through your high in your low. So what we're going to simulate is uh, is you know proper practice? Uh, you know pulling the cores this. One actually has the core still in it. Unfortunately, on this one we had to remove it just so we could add the micron gauge and get a reading, because you're never going to get a good, accurate reading on a micron gauge on an analog yeah there. Okay, so that what you have here, best practice, tiny pump, 2 cfm a practice. You see a lot on a giant industrial 12 cfm right here and we're going to race and see if best practices actually really work, yep all right. So i'm gon na call my assistant andrew grieves over here. Oh you got quite the issue just kidding, not my assistant um andrew.
Can you put your hand on that? Uh well, first say hi to everyone in uh tv, land, hi and you know real, quick. Just to point out. You know you hear that a lot about the you know having that micron gauge is far away totally true, but people get hung up on that and and need to remember whether it's in the vacuum pump next to the vacuum pump as far away from the vacuum Pump, all that's determining is the variable or the amount of time you need to allow it to equalize before your reading is accurate right, it's not to say that that gauge being here in this case or there in this case or off the manifold in this case, Is not going to be accurate in general, it just means you need to understand that it's close to the source of the vacuum, which means you're going to need to give that time to equalize, with the farthest point the system right - and in this case, where this Is literally just a coil of tubing, it's going to rectify very quick. You know it's going to go out real really quickly, so, for the sake of this demonstration yeah, it's really a non-issue as long as we're giving it time a few seconds here to settle out just want to get that out of the way.
Now from here, i'm gon na go ahead and turn it on you ready, we'll turn them on race is on make sure that these are on. Okay. Is that one on it's on this one on yeah ipad's, on ipad's on all right here we go one. Two.
Three dc motor uh, dual stage: quiet, startup, yeah, nice, soft quiet. We can still have a conversation over the pumps, which is nice awesome. So how much volume again did you say this was like equivalent to what kind of a system that's close to a five ton? Nice internal volume - you know accounting for the coils as well in the typical system yeah they look different here, but it's really because two different people made these bundles and one did a really crappy job did a really nice tight job. One did a very nice tight job and you can't lie with the yoga pipe because actually they print the footage on the actual pipe yeah um by any means uh, you know, navac doesn't endorse any kind of pipe or anything like that, but just to show you Uh, this is a rig from some of our local uh reps target sales yeah who actually take these rigs on the road and uh.
Take the show to you guys so uh, if you're in the state of florida give them a call. Some of our other reps have similar rigs that they uh have, and they actually take the training directly to the contractors, which is nice. Nice teach best practices so how we doing on those micron gauges are we uh we're still in high pressure still on hp? Okay, sorry so yeah i mean you got a lot of volume that these things are immediately starting to work with so nice. These oil fill caps are not a novelty. This is actually to keep the oil a mechanism to keep the oil inside the pump. So what we have is uh is this: is our oil mist filter built in now? If you notice on the 12 cfm pump, we actually have a gas ballast here, yeah on the two cfm to keep costs down and to keep it affordable. We didn't have the gas ballast, but on the four cfm we go ahead and added that in we added a tow hook on the four cfm uh that the two cfm didn't get and you'll see that this is smoking, giving off a little bit of oil vapor. But it's not enough to you know, that's why i'm not seeing that over here.
That's why you're not seeing it but also the other reason is, is i accidentally flipped my pump upside down similar to a real truck application right that doesn't happen, but yeah applications, this one's been flipped upside down in the past uh 48 hours, so just appreciate it. Starting to break in appreciate how uh, how quiet these pumps are we're having we're, recording and we're having a show here, but the pumps are still going okay, so this vacuum has two ports hooked up on our system and we're also using the manifold through the vacuum Charge tubing, which is a little bit larger than the actual quarter so um this thing's, that's its advantage that it's trying to work with here. So a couple minutes like not even two minutes in yet yeah. Twenty seven hundred show the difference 7 500 over here.
So we're just we're just in a couple minutes in we got 7 500 over here with a 12 cfm giant vacuum 2100 over there, so noticeable wind already happening, and even though you have this ginormous vacuum, you are so withheld by how fast you can actually do This by the size of your refrigerant line, so that's pretty awesome and then just think about the fact. If this is your five ton unit that you're you're pulling a vacuum on, you can have that battery powered two cfm vacuum pulling a vacuum. This fast in your five-time unit, so yeah and the coolest part, is we've been running this all day long, that's the same battery that i charged last night. Really so we've been running this, you know multiple vacuums, so guys like to ask the question: well, how long does the battery last? That's always the first question yeah.
The answer is between 45 minutes to an hour yeah, but the fact is that you know if you can pull a vacuum, this fast yeah. If you pull it that fast, you could get a bunch out of that during the event i have not, but i have tested it multiple times so usually uh, i test it in the morning before i start. I will then test it again. Probably midday um.
We just tested not too long ago, pulled down to what the rating plate says. So navac is a little bit special. We put the uh what the ultimate vacuum is actually on the rating plate, which is on this side of the pump on both sides. You could see it on our big pump, but it's the same thing on on the small pumps. Ultimate vacuum is 23 microns on that one and five microns on this one. So it's not a marketing buzzword that navac made up. It is a tool. It's it's a tool for the technicians, it's that missing factor or reference point.
So you can test any vacuum: pumps, oil integrity with a micron gauge, but that's the number that you need to know to gauge. If we have a presence of moisture in the vacuum pump versus the equipment, do we have a leak? We have any other issues, so you throw a micron gauge on the quarter. Inch port of any vacuum pump turn it on and within seconds you'll get. You know probably one of three outcomes: uh one, which is what we want.
It's going to pull down really quickly to a very close margin of that rated number on the name plate and that's going to give you. You know undisputable proof that you're clean and good to go dry, full integrity of that oil is intact because that won't lie these pumps. Two-Stage pumps like this rely on that dry oil to make the seal that allows that deep vacuum outcome. Number two you'll pull down stall, a few thousand few hundred, maybe even microns - and maybe even some goofy, jumping around um at a higher level, which is textbook moisture presence at which case change the oil and that is going to take place much earlier than a physical Color change that you can see if your oil looks like milk, if your oil looks like any other body fluids.
Anything like that change, your oil. It's got. It's got moisture mine's as great as blood. You know, but i assure you that that degradation took place long before the actual color change yeah, and this is how we can preemptively catch that with a very quick and very precise uh test.
That leaves no doubt no, no, no uh a window of interpretation or speculation we're below 500.. So there you go the the um. What's our time, nine yeah it looks like was that started? Actually? No. This is counting down about six.
Oh, oh! We're about six minutes. In oh, i looked at that six minutes in on the two cfm pump, we're already below five already below 500. yeah below 500.. It's not because the two cfm pump is a modern marvel of engineering right, but it's a visual, a a visual demonstration and proof of the principles that leaders of this industry are promoting all around and and and really get a lot of resistance right.
There's a lot of resistance back from people that that uh refuse to accept this as as as doctrine or science and and i think it's a way to sell hoses or pumps or anything like that, uh, the pro the proof right right there right yeah. So anybody who's frankly, this hurts us if anything right, because we probably will sell less 12 cfm pumps after this uh yeah, which are considerably more expensive than two cfm pumps, so yeah. I wanted to wait and see how long it would take to get this one under five, so um, just to recap for anybody who's joined a little bit later. What we're doing is we have a two cfm versus a twelve if we're where we're 12 cfm is pulling through a manifold from both sides of the system right, the cfm is pulling through a proper vacuum design hose and the two of cfm, which is battery powered Over here is kicking the butt. It is so i'll go ahead and uh close my valve first on a five times then turn off my opacity and this one's over here still struggling up at seventeen hundred so uh now keep in mind. This is, this is absolutely beginning of where you're pulling the vacuum if you're pulling back. So, if you actually had had your vacuum gauge at the end, you were wasting time that you don't need to be actually wasting in the meantime. Just look at this anybody who's.
Just joining i, i show the show this vacuum off, because it's just so much fun. This is their battery power, 2cfm! Look how tiny that is, and you give it the right setup and it's going to kick butt for you out in the field and like we mentioned before, uh you'll get 45 minutes to one hour run time on those batteries. Uh we've been running it all day. Um and then the charge time on those batteries is only about 30 minutes, so you know keep in mind.
If you have two batteries, you can sit there and juggle batteries. Um navac actually came out. With this year, uh, we came out with an adapter that turned your uh cordless pump back into corded, if you're, that guy, who forgets to charge your batteries at night, nice yeah. That would be me.
I already admitted this. I already admitted this but yeah okay. Well, barely at all guys that shows the race that shows what we've done and so uh hope that was exciting for you, guys to see in action, use the right tools and you can make something like this 2cfm battery-powered vacuum work really well for you out in The field especially light commercial, stuff or residential stuff, fantastic, so yeah and i'll see you on the next one.
AKHVAC isn't doing vids anymore?….did he make a different channel?….I see the NAVAC shirt….what the hell happened?….
Quick question for ya Bryan. Have any of your guys ran the Megaflow 1/2โ 3/8-1/4 hoses with the core tool and the SPDY38 fitting on a JB pump (like the 6cfm eliminator)
Ok Service area Orleans??
Was this recorded on Fred Flintstones web cam? Jeez.
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So AK is doing sales now? Props to him
Best practice? Don't pull a vacuum through your manifold or refrigerant hoses! Have dedicated Vacuum hoses and skip your manifold, unless your running an SMANS (which are terrible micron gauges), there is literally no good reason to add your manifold or refrigerant hoses to the equation.
The fact that this is an exciting video for me makes me realize I'm old ๐
I don't even work in HVAC Are you in Barrhaven ?
Ak is alive!
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