This was a service call on a walk in cooler that was too cold, I found that the liquid line solenoid valve was sticking open and causing the system to never shut off. I replaced the solenoid valve and thermostat and got them operational again.
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This video is brought to you by spore'ln quality, integrity and tradition. Okay, so we're on the roof. We've got a service call today on a walk-in cooler, that's getting way too cold inside the box, so we're gon na open it up and see what we can find. So this is an interesting one: we've got a walk-in cooler and the complaint is that it's getting too cold in the box check this out.
Thermostat says 32 degrees. It said 29 when I walked in here. I'm gon na do is test the thermostat for you. So we've got 115 bullets coming into the thermostat and then it's jumping off of the power leg into the common circuit across the contact were open.
So the thermostat is not sending power to the solenoid. No okay, but check this out. Solenoid valve is stuck open. Look at my liquid line stamp at my suction line - town, it's ever so slightly bleeding by on the suction line.
Ever so slightly, it's not for 48, hey by the way, my last job - that's not good negative, but ever so slightly, it's bleeding live and you can see by the thing frosting up. I was bringing the block step away cold. So we've got a bad solenoid valve. It's it's got something stuck inside of it or something like that.
All right, so we've got the system pumped down. We've got our new valve in there we're gon na go ahead and sweat this new valve. In because of the tonnage I went with a half-inch diameter or connections, but remember it has nothing to do with the connection size. It has all to do with what the valve can handle and I had a 3/8 valve, but it could only handle one point.
Six tons - and this is like a two and a half ton system, so we want to make sure that the valve you also don't want to go too big also, but this valves perfect. So so it is, you know, common to see, bigger connection and just reducing with fittings. So you can see, we've got a half-inch valve and I'm reducing it down with a half inch by 3/8 bushing. So we're going to get that put in there real, quick and then we're going to change the thermostat okay, so the new solenoid valve is installed.
We went ahead and used it as the junction box now so there's wire going in wire going out. We put a key to therm temp + defrost controller in there. We've still got to mount this sensing bolt properly, put some more zip ties and clean it up right now we're in an anti short cycle delay, because I tested the thermostat and turned it on and off, and so the temperature controller is basically delay. So it'll turn on here in a minute.
Our vacuum is just about done: we'll go up there and check on that right now, okay, so we got a little peculiar setup going on here now remember: this system is pumped down so the refrigerants stored in the receiver and the compressor. I'm not saying that a vacuums not important, but what I'm saying is is that there's still refrigerant in the system there's still refrigerant in the oil of the compressor, that's slowly boiling off, so I'm not as hyper critical about a vacuum on this system. Okay, I do have hoses going directly to here, but what I did was I went ahead and connected my gauges to the extra port. Okay and I was kind of cheating and using them as a micron gauge. I realize that's not the most effective way to do it, but again, I'm not so worried about the vacuum in this system. You're never going to achieve a perfect vacuum on a system, that's clumped down and the reason. Why is because that valve right there, the king valve, is never a hundred percent leak, free, you're gon na get refrigerant. If I left this vacuum pump on here for two days, there probably wouldn't be any refrigerant left in the system when we're done, because eventually it'll pull it right through those valves.
So with that being said, we're going to go ahead and close off these gauges. We're going to close the gauge ports, be crts, the vacuum core Google tools and looking at our micron levels are actually kind of dropping right now, so again, I'm not so worried about it. We're not seeing a huge thing. I put a new liquid dryer in here too.
I actually didn't have the right dryer. I just had a buy flow which will work. Fine, so just got to make sure same thing with the dryers. You don't size them for the line size you size them.
You look at the line size and then you also look at the tonnage that the dryer can allow through it. So this one had plenty of RAM in it. So, okay, we're gon na go ahead and open the system up, open the king valve and let the refrigerant through and watch the unit operation. I don't know if any of you guys caught it, but I actually have my hoses hooked up long.
I had made that mistake when I was doing the back, you might have the low-side hose on the liquid line in the high side. I was on the suction line, but it didn't matter for the vacuum, so I switched it over after I opened the system up. The positive pressure when I switched it over good running looking good, that's it. I had already earlier checked the receiver level.
It was good but a headmaster. Okay. So the complaint was the walk-in. Cooler was getting too cold and it was kind of an intermittent one and in all actuality we had this happen a previous day before another tech was there and they said hey, my walking cooler is getting too cold and we couldn't find anything wrong with it.
It was an intermittent issue: okay, and what we found obviously, was that when I got there it was 32 degrees in the box when it was set for 38, okay and immediately I kind of had a hunch. So I jumped right to that. Silla Knight valve and found that there was a temperature drop across the solenoid valve and then also put my low side gauge on the evaporator. Since I was right there and noticed that I had pressure so thus Illinois valve was getting stuck open.
There was more than likely something stuck inside the cylinder valve now the valve that was there before you know had been there for a very long time. So I don't think that there was a sizing issue with that valve, but who knows okay, so anyways? I went ahead and replaced it got the unit operational customer was happy. You saw that you know a couple different things like the the solenoid valve that I installed had bigger line sizes on it. Okay - and I explained that is very typical, because you sized a valve based off of the pressure drop and the tonnage of the system - okay, and so essentially that valve by up sizing, it made it well, you know it basically fit in there better with what I Had in my truck that was all I had, but it was a better valve choice than going with a really small one. Okay, the other thing was was the liquid drier? I didn't have a standard spoilin, you know liquid line filter drier, like I usually use. I just happen to have a buy flow for a heat pump. You know a Mersenne drier, so it worked that the tonnage you know capacity. The dryer was still there.
So you know you can't always do everything perfect. You know. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get the customer going. Okay, so it is what it is.
It was either that or not change the dryer. You know I'd rather put that buy flow in there. You know, and then just you know that it worked fine, essentially, okay. I really appreciate you guys taking the time to watch these videos.
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Solenoids stuck is common in hydraulics as well. I've even replaced them in hospital beds. They are hydraulic with a pump ran on 110 v. Great video.
If the contactor is open and not sending signal to the valve how is it that you have 115 incoming and the same on the output? I'm confused. Thank you for your videos btw!!
Lol, A "too-cold" call…!? That surely doesn't happen very often, huh? Lol….. Service area Ottawa??
Good job brother nice video and the information 🎼🎶🎺🌅🇵🇷Florida
Those new gauges with the wireless probes are sweet. I love my sman 360’s but the wires on the probes are a pain in the ass and always in the way Hahahha
nice and neat job
You should of removed the suction drier
Not a refrigeration guy but I'm guessing that was a pump down solenoid?
As usual great video and very professional. Greeting from Croatia! Are you in Nepean ?
Why replace the control? The Ranco seemed to be doing it's job. A correctly designed cooler shouldn't need a controlled defrost. Under maximum load it runs 16 hours per day allowing it to defrost during the off cycle. If the owner is putting it under greater load so that the off cycles are not long enough to defrost it you can set it up so that the temperature control senses coil temperature rather than space temperature and set the differential for TD plus 2°F. Service area Orleans??
You do a great job explaining this. Are you in Orleans ?
Have you ever thought about reducing your inventory and only stocking Bi-Flows?
Happy father's day. Service area Kanata??
We’re hiring in south Texas
I see your up Chris and I just wanted to say from one father to another happy Father’s Day brother !!!!!!
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This is how everyone with a pair of SMANS should be using their built in micron gauge.
Jacking stem = leaks
Are those solenoids position sensitive?
When did YouTube start putting 2 ads now?
Can you go over troubleshooting tips for solenoid valves
Great video ? why did you leave suction line drier? Service area Barrhaven??
And good choice changing the dryer too, should always change out the filter dryer when you are going to open the system up like that, at least that is the way I was taught in school. As we know anytime you open/replace any component of the system you have a chance of introducing contaminates into the system no matter how well you vacuum the system, even gaging up onto the system can introduce contaminants in the system which it is why we should use all the means possible to identify the issue prior to actually deciding to gage up.
Nice, now I know the symptoms of stuck solenoid valve, I rather change a solenoid valve the a txv/tev anyday, easier to replace.
Nice work once again man. Next can you do a video maybe breaking down a malfunctioning part like that solenoid valve? Maybe like a root cause analysis? Are you in Kanata ?
awesome! you should do some tutorials when you have a clean system on how to properly add refrigerant on a system that has been put to vacuum. Also where did you learn the trade from ?
Great videos. Learn alot from you
If I lived in CA I would apply to work for your company! My wife and I traveled to San Diego and really enjoyed it.
If I lived in CA I would apply to work for your company! My wife and I traveled to San Diego and really enjoyed it.
Nice job again like always
Great video brother, done the same with the solenoid valve myself. Bushings always come in handy and if it's the right tonnage why not.
You really need to start stocking Sporlan filter driers in your van. Lol
I was wondering why you had the hoses on the opposite sides haha
Great video and explanation of in the field decisions to get the equipment running and keep your customers happy. Gotta do what you have to. Keep up the good work. 👍
Good job. Nice that you mentioned valve capacity vs line size.
Can you do a vidio explaning parts and functions of coolers and freezers
What is the Facebook forum/group you refer us to?
Senceing bulb vs digital sensor
Is digital thermostats better than analog
Another great video 👍👍👍