Oh oh, just like a spark that's breaking out. Can't make a stop. Can't turn back Now we know that there's no room for D No we can turn back now. I'll see danger in your eyes they know will burn down T night on in just like the sun rise.

you know that we going to let it toight We going to let it toight we going to let it it he howdy howdy coming at you live answering heating and air questions live I've got a pretty good show for you guys tonight. We're going to talk about a quick story just to get started out of the Trate digital. So this is looks like this news organization um supplies or broadcast to Kentucky Ohio and West Virginia I Guess the way that looks um story here. Now it's not popping up here I am on a live show and it's not popping up.

Bear with me one second here folks. Maybe they did away with the the article. They did they they? they? uh I guess cuz I'm not a subscriber maybe to their account. What a shame.

What a shame. um I was going to tell you guys a story of about about a couple that had, um been accused of stealing heating and air systems from a from rental properties and this is not letting me see the article anymore which is crazy I had it pulled up not I mean just just a little bit ago. Let me see maybe I can find it this way. man and woman accused of stealing.

There's the article right there. let's see if it'll let me in. Yeah, see, this keeps popping up so it won't let me into it anymore. which is fine, but you know here.

I Had it all prepped for our live show I Promoted it all week and we were going to. We were going to talk about this, uh, this story but this is it right here. Um, a man and woman accused of stealing a heating and cooling unit from a property where they were renting in Monaville area is the first line there and uh yeah, so what a shame. Um anyway, uh, good to see everybody.

Uh, looks like we've already got a few folks on our show tonight. uh TxDOT So the Texas Department of Transportation is with us tonight. Um, and and he pointed out it's probably pay Wald which is it is. But I'm not going to pay.

You know, maybe I'm just too cheap. but I'm not going to pay to be on their um, you know I mean I'm never going to be on their website again, probably for the rest of my life. So I'm not going to. you know, pay to be on that and you know, never never need it again.

You know, just for the one article. So call me cheap. Uh, well that you know that's just the long and short of it. I could have promoted their their new news organization, but um, that's not going to happen now.

So anyway, good to see you um Texas Department of Transportation Uh, good to see Steve and Arch couple of our regular guys. good to see all you guys. uh Arch says good evening from Arizona What's new in the wonderful world of HVAC any new affordable heat pump technology? Well I don't know about affordable Arch I think you're pushing it a little bit with that, but uh, there is all kinds of new things right? Um I uh I'm glad I had a plan B tonight because I do have a plan B for you guys and my plan B tonight is I wanted to show you guys just a maybe a little treat. uh which is the first video it's not the first video I ever did on YouTube but it's the first one that I ever showed my face.

um and there might have been one before this one and that I can't remember I might have took it down for one reason or another or another, but this was the first video way back in 2016. um that I posted on this channel. um and I thought you guys might get a kick out of it I'm going to show it to you here and this is me. Uh, back then this channel was all about my company you know I hadn't started giving tips to you guys yet and um and so I was doing kind of a commercial for the company.

so I thought I'd let you guys check this out. Hey guys, this is Josh with Griffin air in Hartfield Virginia serving the middle Peninsula and the Northern Neck in Virginia and I Wanted to talk to you today about how we do a proper tuneup when we do our air conditioning tuneups. So the reason that's important is we're not one of those companies that we come out, kick the tires and we're gone in 10 minutes. We do a proper tuneup, we clean the outdoor condensing coil and we just put the cover back on.

but we also cut clean the indoor evaporator coil. We treat the drains we try to make that airly as it can. Air conditioners and heat pumps are kind of like vacuum cleaners. if you've ever covered the end of a vacuum, how much louder and harder it works.

Air conditioners are the same way you. They need need to be cleaned up once a year, making them as new as possible again. So that way they're not having to work so hard. As you can see, Ryan is just simply cleaning the outside.

And you know, Tups are more than just taking some measurements. Uh, kicking the tires and there you know, just leaving. Uh, we're actually going to. you know, clean that system.

We want it to be as new as possible. Again, we check all the same measurements that those other guys do too. We check those heat exchangers and and check the refrigerant levels. But you know tuneups are more than that.

You know we want that system to be new again, as as new as possible. Last thing is, we do have maintenance programs available for us, so it's peace of mind for the homeowner. Um, we'll come out twice a year. Look at that system, make sure everything on the up and up.

So that way you're not having problems on those extremely hot or cold days, give us a chance to earn your business. Give us a call at 80455 0247 and that's 80450 A. So what do you guys think of that? My have times have changed, times have changed. um but yeah I just thought you guys might get a kick out of that.

at least I did I got a kick out of it I um uh was just kind of working on some things and sometimes when I'm working on YouTube things I'll look at. you know what videos are performing well and then you know, look at uh you know, just different analytics and things and so one of the things I clicked on was let's go all the way back to the first video and uh yeah he says do you feel old? yes I do feel old um but I uh it's funny I I don't miss those days either. You know there those were the days when I started my business I st still wore glass glasses back then I got lasick at one point and um I remember uh you know there were times back then because I didn't have facial hair. Guys would be like oh, you're the owner, where's your dad at? you know? So anyway, but pretty cool.

Uh, let's see uh again. if you're just joining us. uh, we're taking heating and air questions live. There's some other Pros on here as well.

so if we uh if I don't know the answer your question, one of these guys will. but um, feel free to drop those in the chat. and um, sometimes right now the CH the chat's pretty, uh, slow. but sometimes when the chat gets going.

um, make sure you put those questions in all caps with a question mark. So I don't miss them. um but uh Tech junkie says how old were you 12 I think I was in that video Let's see 2016 I was I was 30 couple probably I had uh started Griffin air and then the guy that was with me me in that video. he's still with me to this day.

um which is really cool. so he's been he he wasn't there at the very very beginning but he's been there you know, since since the beginning you know he wasn't there for Genesis but he was there for Leviticus you know? So anyway, uh Arch says I remember your Babyface videos really? So you've been watching me for a while. Um yeah, it's just crazy. Um yeah.

so again, feel free to drop any questions you have in the chat in the meantime. Um, what? I'll do instead I'll just go ahead and jump to the uh story that we had for next week since the story We were supposed to have for this week uh, is not loading. Um, try one other. let me try try a different tactic here.

Maybe if I use a different browser because they can see that I've been on that. You know that I've been on that article before in that browser. Maybe maybe a different browser will work here. Oh oh, it worked.

Look at that smart guy. Okay, now how do I show it to you guys? Give me just a second here. Um, bum. let me let me remove this.

Sorry for coughing in your ear guys. let's see see if it will let me share. Well, maybe I'll have to do it this way. All right, Can you guys see that? Hopefully you can see that, but this is the article I Wanted to start the show out with um and then it wouldn't work on that browser.

but uh, we finally got it to work. So a man and woman are accused of stealing a heating and cooling unit from from a property they were renting in the Monaville area according to a criminal complaint filed on public record in Logan County Magistrate Court Deputy Allen of Logan County Sheriff's Department received a complaint from landlord George Hows on September 5th who stated that he had been renting a Monaville property to Tony Renee Matthys and Jimmy Willie Matthysse. according to the complaint, how told police that he allowed Tony Matys to apply for the West Virginia Department Health and Human Resources and Pride Community Services Incorporated to having to have a new heating cooling unit installed at the property company called Trumpet Heating and Cooling a subcontractor through Pride installed the new unit in 2021. According to the complaint, how was made aware that both the accused loaded the heating and cooling unit into the back of a truck and transported it away from the residents on September 2nd on September 5th Deputy Allen Made contact with two accused and according to the complaint, Tony MAA stated that the unit was picked up by trumpet Heating and Cooling Deputy Allen writes that Tony Matys also stated that she had documents regarding the unit but was unable to provide any other over the next few days.

Deputy Allen contacted an official from Pride who stated that the unit belonged to house and that the two accused individuals were not authorized to remove it. Okay, so there you go so that sometimes there is a little confusion there. I mean if the couple is saying that they were the ones that you know technically they were living there, but they own the unit, that might change things and that would would be an odd situation. Let's be honest.

Allan Then contacted Cliff Ellis owner trumpet Heating and Cooling who said his company never picked up the unit and that they only install them Ellis provided documents Rec regarding the installation of the unit totaling 7 $744 on September 8th. Allan Once again, again spoke to the two accused individuals according to the complaint Tony Matthysse backtracked on her story and instead stated that she had removed the unit and had it in a storage building. She further stated that she planned to take it to her new residence in Mingo County when she moved Tony Matys then advised that she would make an attempt to return the unit to its rightful address according to the complaint on September 11th Deputy Allen Received an anonymous tip stating that the two accused individuals had sold the unit to another person. Allan Lo At the unit with matching serial number covered in a tarp behind a residence in the Monaville area.

What a crazy story this is. I'm so glad we were. we figured this out I'm so figur because I didn't think I was going to get to read this to you guys I Thought we were gonna have to jump to the story for next week and I'm this is like I'm this is like a movie, you know? According to the complaint, the homeowner stated that Tony Matthys had been approaching her for weeks about selling her a a A Heating and cooling unit. The homeowner stated that Tony Mattis claimed that the unit belonged to her and that she had permission to sell it and promised to provide documentation at a later time, but never did.

So the homeowner stated that she purchased the unit for $1,000 and that Jimmy Matthysse helped place it behind her residence. Both Jimmy and Tony Matthysse have been charged with grand Larsen receiving transferring stolen property and conspiracy in connection with the matter. Both currently sit behind bars at South Regional Jail and 10% or shy bonds of 75 grand. So yeah, what a crazy crazy story.

Um, it's not. it's it. It's interesting that we got all this of the story. We didn't just get.

okay, this couple's accused of stealing. We got the all the ins and outs of it. So um. anyway, kind of a kind of a crazy crazy story there.

Uh, let's see. let's give get back to our chat. Looks like uh, finally got some things moving there. Um and uh.

anyway. I'm so glad we got that story to work. it wasn't working there for a minute and uh, we we somehow made it happen. So good, good stuff.

Uh, let's see uh. Monaville Now that's the place I Want to live Tech Junkie says I uh and he says it's been a couple weeks. So good to have you back Tech Jun Tech Junkie Emory says hey I'm concerned about the potential for Co leakage from my furnace other than the heat exchanger, what else can be done to prevent Co leaking into the from the furnace? Oo what a loaded question. I think there's a a number of things I Don't know that there's a whole lot that you'll be able to do yourself, but you definitely want to have a pro take a look at it uh, periodically, at least once a once a year and not just inspecting this the uh heat exchanger, but making sure that you know everything is properly uh, working.

Um, I'm not going to get into all the ins and outs, but if if uh, intakes and flu exhausts are not sized properly, that can play a role in all of this. There is a such thing as Backdraft And the last thing I'll say is just please make sure you have a carbon monoxide detector in your home if you have any fossil fuel burning appliances. Um, heard it on a couple podcasts recently where they talked about how they're not as sensitive and they're not as effective I Mean that may or may not be true, but I I Just think that I would not go to sleep tonight without one. Um, if you have a fossil fuel burning Appliance in your home, Um, now is there exceptions to every rule? Sure, there there might be times where if the unit is out in the the garage, it may not be as Paramount but if I'm burning fossil fuels in any way, shape or form any way you know anyhow, then I want to have that.

I Remember years ago we had a house that the guy had an issue and the furnace was literally in his crawl space beneath his bedroom. and um, you know we could go back and forth about. you know how carbon monoxide's heavier than air and all those different things. but the bottom line is it is a silent killer.

It will kill you. and I've heard way too many horror stories. I Remember years ago I've talked about this plenty of times on this show of a DAT line story where they thought this hotel room was haunted and it wasn't until after number of folks died staying in that hotel room. um they later found out after a a high school volleyball team had played a game there and uh, several of the the kids um were all staying in that room.

so it was like three or four kids in the same room and one of them died, two of them and then two of them were like sick. like they had to be rushed to the hospital kind of thing. and then they finally found out that it was a carbon monoxide OSHA came in or one of those organizations finally figured it out and so anyway, um I uh man. Ryan just I I'm reading Ryan's comment down below and I I'm chomping at the bit.

but um, the last thing I'll just say is just again get you a carbon monoxide detector. Um I get one that you know I I don't I've never tested them so I can't definitively say that one's better than another. If you're not sure if batteries or Plugin is better, get one of each. You know, get get a you know battery.

you know, maybe a battery backup one and and some plugin ones or whatever. But um, I wouldn't have I I would have for every bedroom that you have people sleeping in in the house I would have one, you know? I would even argue that a carbon monoxide may be more important than smoke detectors in your house. Uh, because that it is odorless and you may not realize you have an issue until it's too late. So anyway, just my two cents on that.

There's my Spiel Tech Junkie says. also, make sure all the exhaust pipes are properly installed in good condition. Yeah, I mean it's a good point, but I think the the thing with that is, how's a homeowner to know? You know, uh, they can look at it and Visually see if there's a problem. but you know I think in a lot of cases you just got to get maybe get a couple opinions, get a pro in there, and then by gosh, switch it up and and get another Pro in there.

You know at some point, you know So Ryan says what do you think of building building science channels on YouTube They offer a lot of HVAC advice that actual Pros rarely advocate for like Ervs and De humidifiers. there's a disconnect between pros and building. Sciences I Have talked about this in a recent video where um I think the video was called something like uh, biggest problem in our trade and HVAC trade and you're totally right that there are a lot of heating and air guys and it's not their fault. um they well let me back up.

It's not 100% their fault that if they're especially if they're still learning, um, it's it's it's okay if they're still learning and they just have not learned that yet, right? But what's not okay is if you are in this trade and then you think you know everything and you stop learning right and you just haven't learned enough. um I do think that ventilation is not pushed enough in our industry as as a solution to a lot of indoor air quality problems I Was just talking to a guy just the other day about um he's located in in a small town near us. He had had his crawl space encapsulated and no one could sleep in the house like they I he he had a progo in there trying to figure out what the problem was and the guy come out and his eyes were bloodshot and ultimately to make a very very long story short because it is a very long story. He's had a couple different companies in there.

He had come to me because he he wanted to know if our Mini Splits had mold in them and just all these different things over the years and ultimately what ended up fixing it and I wouldn't even call it a fix. But what made it bearable to be able to go back in the house? Um, after years, you know this guy. This has been an ongoing issue for a long time. Um, they finally cut the Um, the encapsulation and opened up all the foundation vents so the house could breathe again.

and uh, it stopped. And so he and I talked a lot about Voc's the other day. uh and and what some of those causes could have been. But ultimately whoever is encapsulating these crawl spaces did so without uh, ever, uh, considering ventilation or solutions to um to offer fresh air into the house.

You know. So they eliminated any breathing that that house could do. Uh, and then they, and then they didn't, you know, offer any of those. Solutions and I think I think there's a couple reasons for that I think ultimately it's it's ignorance may they? They just simply don't know.

But um, the flip side of that coin that I would flip back to them is, why don't you know Why? Why aren't you still trying to learn I don't know everything but I'm still learning I'm still trying to figure this stuff out and so uh, to answer your question Ryan I I'm I'm glad that some of this information is getting out there. The last thing I'll say though is some of these guys calling themselves Bu Building Scientists I think that they're uh, making it sound way better than it is. You know they they go into this is not towards all of them by the way. So before one of them sees this and wants to fight, some of them are very smart and they, um, they're You know they're very good at what they're doing and and I'm glad they are.

but some of them are calling themselves building scientists. They're charging ridiculous amounts of money to offer the same solution to every single problem and you know they're They just come in and they they look at the the sizing of the the system, the duct work, and then they look at you know, encapsulating crawl spaces, sealing addicts and things like that and adding ervs you know, or dehumidification or whatever. and so I I I just think that it's it's uh, it's just interesting how some of them are marketing them M themselves. that's all.

so I'll get off of that. but um, it anyway. we'll move on. Texas Department of Transportation says got any dyin merch for sale I actually don't um I uh I tried to, um offer free stuff at one time I was offering free not just merch but I was offering free thermostats.

We would go there a couple times I went live and I was offering some free thermostats that were in great shape, but we had removed them from a house or something like that and I was willing to give them away as long as somebody paid me for the shipping and um, all that stuff flopped. so I just stopped doing it. Um, so anyway, uh, that's that. I don't have uh, any merch for sale though.

but if that ever changes, you know I'll let you know. um I mean who knows Dyan might see this and and throw something out there. Uh, you know I'll bring it up to them when I when I talk to one of those guys Tech J says I carry a personal CO detector everywhere I go I it goes off in the car every day. Oh no kidding, that's crazy.

That's not good. Ryan says do you make changes to duct work as a pro and not check airflow with an anomet or flow Hood I Just had work done and the company didn't use either to check their work. So uh, let me make sure we're speaking the same language here. Okay um, the main thing that I will look at that a lot of Pros should be looking at.

more is we'll look at static pressures a lot of times. Um, we will look at airf flow. You know, air flow is obviously a big deal, but um I can say that I don't go in there with one of these and I'm not going to pronounce this right. An anemo meter.

Um, and because, uh, to me, it's more than just that. So uh, and here's why. and so if I have a house and I'm laying out the duct work and I get that tool out and I'm measuring airf flow and I'm like, well, I need more Cfms to, you know, or whatever I think some of that. if if duct work isn't installed properly and laid out properly.

Um, then you should not have the issues that a lot of houses are having. Let's put it that way. Um, and so I mean I could I'm just going through all the times that we've had to, uh, replace duct work or size it correctly or or so on. I I think at a at a common sense level, I'll just say it like this: if you have a room that's 200 square ft with another room that's 100 square F feet and everything else is the same same amount of Windows and you know, insulation and ceiling height and all that stuff, then the room that's a little bigger should get more air flow in one way shape or form whether it's a larger duct or more Vince whatever.

And so sometimes I think the common sense side of things is the the the part that's missed the most, you know these guys will. I would say they take classes and then apply the wrong but but I think some of these guys are just throwing mud on the wall. I mean some of this new construction stuff. I See the the trunk and the returns out of the out of the gate are under size.

They they obviously don't own a duckator. I've argued with guys that have been doing this for years over what size return a two-ton system should have. They'll They'll just slap a little, they'll do a 14 on one side and a 16 on the other and we'll pull a Ducor out. and we'll argue about it.

And you know. So I think if all that stuff is installed right sized right, um, you know you might have to. It looks like you and Tech junkie are talking about adding dampers and stuff. Um, you should not have to add dampers if everything isn't installed correctly.

In my opinion, you should not have to have dampers that are opened and closed and and constantly throughout the year depending on what mode it's in trying to push more room, more more air to this. H part of the house versus that part of the house. Um, it's in houses that you know they are not using best practices that th that they have to then add that stuff to artificially fix the problem. One guy argued with me I I did a video video where I talked about spider, ducks or octopus Ducks whatever you call it I Think different parts of the country call it different things, but ultimately they are guys that will.

They'll set an air handler or a furnace and then they'll put this plenum on the the end of it and then just come off that plenum with all these takeoffs and it just looks like a an octopus of of sorts. you know, or a spot. or just all this. the Ducks Coming off of this one box.

there's no way you can balance that properly. There's just no way. And his argument was well: I installed dampers on all them and I balance it I Balance it. No, you don't.

You're you're you are. You are not doing things properly. You need to. You need to either go back to school or you need to watch some more YouTube videos you know? Um, Um, let's see what is the purpose of a blower door task.

It's checking the envelope of the house. Um, to make sure that it is. Uh, well, here you go. Tech Junk is giving you a good explanation leakage of the house? uh inspection passing Old load calculations does great for Energy Efficiency improvements.

Yeah, ultimately they're checking to see how tight the house is and it checks the um the envelope of the house basically how how much air um is being transfer from outside and that will sometimes affect a lot of the other um, things you can do in the house. So what I mean by that is a lot of guys will come in and say oh, the heat and air systems not keeping up you know and they'll just put a bigger heat and air system in there when when Maybe that's not what you need to do. um maybe you need to get, uh, you know, better insulation or you know, a crawl space encapsulation. Or there's an actual issue with a part of the house or something.

um you know that that those are all things that you can. What's really cool is they got these thermal cameras that um, can, sometimes you know speak volumes on what a lot of your problems are. so you know getting one of those out or or if you have a friend that has one and on a really really cold day, pull that thing out you know and and walk around around your house and it'll uh you know it'll It'll speak volumes. Emory says does Dyan offer any indoor air quality products they have a a line, they have their A Dy in one ecosystem.

um but they also have before I say it wrong because everybody calls it something different and I know what you guys are probably thinking don't you know what off the top of your head um I I don't think I do here. It is clean Comfort Yeah if you go to Clean Comfort.com U that's some of their um Ieq products and you'll see all of them listed there. They've got whole house home filters, electrostatic electronic air cleaners, hea, air cleaners, dehumidifiers, edifiers, UV lights and so on. So um I don't know how all that works as far as um, you know I don't know what Dyan actually producing themselves? Um, but I'm sure that most of these Brands including Dyan if they're going to put it on their website or be selling it in one way, shape or form, they're at least vetting the products to some degree.

Um, so or maybe they do own it and it's just under a different Um label. You know branding? I You know I just I've never dove into that. um, some products that we offer at Griffin Air are we're all o over the place And what I mean by that is we don't have the same brand that we use for humidifiers. Um, you know that we do for UV lights, you know? So this is their website here.

um Cleanup.com So yeah, um, let's uh, take a break here and break away for one of my favorite segments. Um which is uh I call it Josh's goofy inventions and uh um let's uh's I I think I've got one for you So tonight, goofy invention. one of you guys already talking about building scientists and how some of those guys are working as a third party and what I mean by that is a lot of these guys are. um they'll come into a house, they don't actually provide uh any of the services that would be a solution for you.

um but that what they'll do is they'll they'll run tests and they'll they'll tell you what you need to do is is kind of the thought process and what my my goofy invention tonight I was I was kind of coming up with different ideas, different inventions and uh in my head and the one that I came up with would be similar to what a building scientist would be. uh they'd be a thirdparty opinion of some type but instead of a building scientist as we understand what they are or you know the service that they provide, these guys would be my my idea. my my goofy invention would be what if there was a guy that uh the pain point is this what if the guy replaced all these contractors and all their opinions when you're Gathering quotes and you know I helped folks on our website new HVAC guide.com and they'll they'll sometimes say to me I was just helping somebody just the other night and they said well I've had three contractors come in and three they all three of them gave me a different opinion on what the solution should be. you know all three of them one said I should go duckass and one said that I should look at going inverter and one of them said no no all that stuff's too complicated and you should go with single stage furnace and all.

You know all the and they're like I ah it's just too much and so so what? I would call this goofy invention person instead of a building scientist I would call them an RFP person or an RFP HVAC specialist. How about that? and so RFP You know for those of you that don't know it stands for a request for a proposal and and they're not uncommon and a lot of different for different things but what this guy would ultimately do, he would charge you a fee and he would come into your house and you could hire one you know, like a home inspector and he would come into your house and he would do all the measurements for you so you don't have 10 different contractors doing 10 different things and he would specialize in doing all of the proper things that you need done right. So he would do the manual J and the manual D He would lay all that out and the manual s and the you know the the specs and what makes sense here and what makes sense there. And so you would have this cute little RFP packet that you could then hand to a contractor to.

You could hand to five different contractors and then when they price the job, uh, they're all you're comparing Apples to Apples They all price the same thing. You know how cool would that be? How cool would it be if if that person existed? And then they were able to streamline all of that to a point where if you were a homeowner in the market for a heating an air system, they do all these measurements. they post it on some website and all all the contractors can look at that information without even having to come to the home and price the job. You know how cool would that be? Um I don't know.

just kind of my goofy invention. I I came up with uh I would call it the RFP HVAC specialist That's what I would call him. So let me know what you guys think of that goofy invention and comment down below. uh Tech Juny says I haven't yet met a HVAC guy that knows how to use a duckator.

uh I've got a couple that work for me. so uh that. but that's funny. bigger is never better Unless the lady is talking you're bad Ryan says I'm having an issue with my tat not reading temperatures correctly I Saw there was a hole in the wall behind the thermostat that was drafting badly put foam and insulation behind it but still runs long.

Interesting. Should I move the thermostat? Or is there a thermostat with sensors that averages temperatures for what you could do? Ryan Is they do make? They do make sensors that you can buy. Um For a lot of the thermostats out there, a lot of the smart thermostats just about all of them. I I Don't say all of them, but a lot of them have that capability.

and the the the reason that they've come out with them in a lot of cases is they want you to have the ability of testing in another room or another part of the home without having to rerun all the wiring right without having to relocate that thermostat and wiring to that other part of the home. And so you could get one of those sensors and mount it in another part of the house or at the right beside the therat and it would not be affected by that. But if that's the issue, you should be able to get that result. D I Mean even just a piece of tape? uh, sealing that hole over? you know, um, should be able.

You know we normally will stuff a little bit of you know, insulation or something in there and then you can caul it of course, but it sounds like you've tried to do that and it didn't seem to help. The other thing you can do is a lot of thermostats have the ability that it's not going to change the operation of the thermostat, but what if if you're sure that it's 3 off? then you can sometimes go into the programming and adjust just at 3, you know. So again, that's not fixing the actual problem, but it will read more accurate if that makes sense. Should I move the thermostat? Or is there a thermostat with sensors that averages I don't know about averages.

There's I don't know there's a thermostat that does that? Maybe there is, but it's not that you need the average. You just need an accurate measurement of what that temperature is. Uh, now if you're saying that the system is having zoning or duct work issues, then that's a whole. Another pickle that's not has nothing to do with what the thermostat thinks the temperature is in that room.

Emry says, what is the difference between Manuel J and S Do you need both of them to pick the right size system for your home? Well, Manuel Um, Manual S. At least in my experience it came along later. Um, I don't remember guys really even talking about them for a while. Um, so I I Don't know what year it came out or you know it's it's to me because in my mind Manuel J and Manuel D have been around almost since day one for me.

but Manuel s has you know something that AKA kind of came out with I don't know if it came out later or if maybe it came out the same time and they just didn't um, push it as as hard. But where it's become a big push is these newer systems. These inverter systems. Now that they have you know, different uh ratings and and uh, you know of course they're inverters so they're going to ramp up and down.

but sometimes the latting capability might be different when you're comparing one system to another. And so that's why manual S is sometimes looked at more. you know. So is it as important as Manuel J I would argue that it's not, but other Pros might argue differently.

Ryan says C they can bid for your job with the data. makes sense thanks Craig says I like the idea Josh I could see a need for lots of pictures with with each case being that no two homes are alike, that's a very good point, you know. So especially when you have Pros that are pricing. a job they could do like what you know maybe like a a GMP price or a Goodwill price where they say hey, as long as everything that we're seeing here is accurate, this is our price.

but then they get to the house and something you know they get hit with a curveball that might affect the price right? Shinobi Good to see you uh again. I Love that idea. Some push one thing because it's what they prefer to do. some because it's a brand they prefer Etc yeah I Would even argue that there are times when some brands are pushing one product over another and they'll give the contractor perks um, and and kickbacks and Spiffs and all these different things.

And maybe that contractor might push something that they wouldn't normally push um and a particular situation to. you know, to take advantage of some of those perks, you know? I don't know. Um I But I do think that that happens, You know? Uh, let's see. Let's um, let's do another Breakaway segment.

Um, and let's do tonight's question. tonight's question for you. What is one thing? What is the thing you? Oh no. I don't really like that question.

Let me let me. uh, let me go on down here. Let's ask this: how often do you get maintenance done to your heating and air system and don't lie, if it's if it's not not at all. Share that.

I'd love to hear that. uh, a truthful answer because um, then I would almost follow that up with how often do you get the maintenance done but also what type of system is it? You know if you have one particular type of system, um, over another? Uh, you know, maybe you don't require as much maintenance. You know, maybe where you are in the country might play a role in this. So um, let me know in the chat.

uh Tech Jie says some Brands suck like a Mana all I hear about from from those units or they don't dehumidify and I don't know why. maybe you have an Amanda dealer in your area Tech junkie that they don't know what they're doing. Um because anyway I'm I I think am Mana is a is a good brand uh Tech Drunkie says makes no sense but that's what I hear. same with a certain line of Bosch So some of the non-communicating inverter stuff is having is having in uh, dehumidification problems.

um and it's just because of how they're designed. If the air flow does not account for, you know whenever the air flow is not being adjusted and you and you the coil is not cold enough to remove that humidity, then the sensible uh capability of that system is just lesson. That's just the way it goes. You know that's why.

uh you know, years ago carrier had those Thermastat systems and all they were doing was slowing down the air flow. the coil would get colder and they would act like it was some amazing technology. But Ultimately it was just they were slowing down the air flow to dehumidify better you know and it all that affects the uh what we call Laten Um so anyway let's see Shinobi says I had a guy come to give a quote I think is what that says and mentioned Duckus Mini and he said we couldn't do duct work I told him I already had two quotes with duck work I could tell the quote would be bad 5K extra bad in interesting I have never had it maintained but I tell people they need it done like my mom's she had a propane furnace with a heat pump at work I do a quarterly contract Interesting. Uh Ryan says twice a year straight AC natural gas furnace Emory says aren't Amanda and Dykin the same A lot of their stuff is the same uh Am Mana is aine Dyan is the parent company basically.

so Bruce is not at all. Um, yeah. uh. Ultimately, so a lot of the products that a Mana has is is crossover.

so the Mana S series is equivalent to the fit just different controller. um, in fact they're made on the same assembly line I' I I recorded it and did a video. So and their warranties are different too, which I think is interesting. so Dyan has a maybe a longer warranty and that unit replacement warranty whereas Am Mana has a lifetime warranty on some of the components like the the the compressor and so I don't know if that's to appeal to a different crowd or you know I don't know the thought process behind that, but it is pretty cool.

You know, especially as a homeowner that you can get, you know, decide what makes more sense to you. You know what's more important to you? Um, but yeah, Tech Junkie said you said you've never had your system maintenanced I I would be uh Curious on what type of system you have uh, if you have never had it maintained is that a is it a gas furnace and and I'm just curious. uh Arch says dken and Goodman package heat pumps look identical other than color. Yeah, a lot a lot of their stuff does cross over.

Uh, what does lifetime mean Uh, I don't know. you could read their paperwork I don't I mean I assume it means the life of the system or you know, as long as you have it. So if that compressor fails and and Amanda's not the only one. There's a couple other brands out there too that offer lifetime warranties on different things.

Um, I know just about all the products that Dyan Goodman and Amanda make have lifetime heat exchanger warranties. or at least on most of their products, not all. maybe. um, but they have the lifetime heat exchanger warranties, but you know I think that's the life of the system.

So you know as long as that system is registered and it's maintained and it's um, installed. you know, um, same home owner. sometimes that affects it. So if you sell the home, um then it's um, lifetime warranty Tech Junky says different controller Yes, it's a different controller Craig says uh Amanda am man and Goodman are not going to have the Dy in one Josh says when installing the fits Do you find more folks want the unit wall hung or do they want it placed on a concrete slab in our area? We don't do a lot of wall mount a wall.

We don't do the wall brackets a lot. Have we done that? Yes, Um, but not a lot. Um, so most of our units are going to be sitting on the ground on a pad or on a wooden platform. So some of our customers will build a you know if they're in a an area that water can get higher you know, flood planes and so on.

Um and sometimes code requires it depending on the locality. Um, then we will install it on a pressure treated wooden platform. Uh old system was 23 years old and never had it looked at until the condenser fan went out. Then when it was 21 years old all the parts were original and it was a Nordon 3 ton.

That is impressive. Um, my new units are non sold and the one and one's the fit and the other is a one- ton 17 sear Dyan mini split Nice. Shinobi says is the quote rule of thumb quote unquote of 500 square feet per one ton based on the Assumption of a standardized 8ft ceiling I Don't know that rule of thumb Shinobi I've heard other people saying um, that stuff and I've seen websites that say that stuff and it's completely inaccurate I would not go buy any of that stuff. If you do, you might make a mistake.

A big mistake. Uh, square footage is not the only thing that should determine the size of your um. heating an air system. Uh, there's so many more variables.

a ceiling height is one of them. insulation Windows Appliances in the home. how many people are going to live in the home? what's the space going to be used for, etc etc. Etc Does it have get shade? Does it not? You know all these different things play a role in and what size system should be installed in that home.

So uh, I would not use that rule of thumb. Ryan says Josh's favorite brand to discuss Nortech. if uh, no comment. uh Bruce it's an all Electric I'm trying to figure out what you're referring to Bruce Sorry, can you give me a little more context? I'm looking at all the other comments and I'm not sure what you're asking pal.

So anyway, um, let me show you guys man, let's see am Mana me see if I can find um so their controller for the S Series which is their. It's very similar to the well, it is the fit. It's this. It's a side discharge unit.

Um, it's an inverter system and it's completely communicating and their controller looks very very similar to the Dy in one touch. Um, let's see share this tab. So this is kind of what it'll look like so it's a little different. Um, obviously The Branding is different.

right there. um but that's kind of what that'll look like and um I know those guys a lot. I know some guys that are Am Mana dealers and they were chomping at the bit uh ready to get a hold of that unit. There's some localities that the fit is one one of the only solutions that are work.

You know if you've got a a locality that you've got to do a in inverter system, you've got noise requirements, you've got size requirements, it's got to be a side discharge type unit. and um I I think here's another. I'll give you guys a prediction I Think if we do are doing this show still in 10 years from now, you're only going to see um side discharge units on the market I Think you're going to I Um I Think you're going to see more brands in the next five years, come out with budget friendly side discharge units single stage, even possibly and they're going to be budget friendly. Uh side discharge units and then you're going to see more side discharge units come out that are um top of the line um top of the you know that are 20 plus sear and you know they're going to be maybe a little bigger to make that happen.

but you're going to see I think I genuinely think 10 to 15 years from now you're going to start seeing the the trash can style units be phased out. the companies are just going to stop offering them. So if I had an all Electric System like I do now I'd do two years m maintenance depending on coil cleanliness but the but the electrical connections still need to be checked. Fair enough.

Nicholas says least favorite brand of HVAC equipment. um no comment. uh if that's another one of those if you know you know uh I I um anyway there there's there's one particular brand that they, um, they're sold online and I'm just not a huge fan of them. We'll just put it at that.

leave it at that uh Bruce says mine is a heat pump and an air handler by Summit Interesting Summit Let's see if Summit could be a private label brand CU When I put in Summit I see a bunch of companies come up that are called Summit So I wonder if it's if that's a private label? Um, you know, brand which is not uncommon by the way. So what what a lot of these companies will do is they'll start to get bigger and bigger and then what they'll do is they'll buy their equipment from Dyan or Linux or train or whoever. But they've got to commit to selling a certain amount and the brand will just simply Rebrand the equipment. So when they get it, it'll have their stickers and their little name plate on there.

Um, because nothing comes up when I put Summit HVAC in there unless except for contractors. so there's looks like there's a contractor in. Uh Delaware North Carolina Ohio Um, you know it's there's several Pennsylvania So I bet that's just a private label I'm just guessing. but I bet it's a private label brand Arch says what's your opinion on the future of package heat pumps? Uh I think I think Arch I uh I I Think you're You're going to have a few more options coming soon.

If you I know you've been kind of holding out a little bit I know you've We've been chatting somewhat about um, you know your area and how big package units are. I Do think that um, there will come a time where Bosch is not the only brand that makes an inverter uh, an inverter package unit, you know. But I I I I Do know that a lot of the brands that they it's just not a big market share for them and instead of going after it and capturing that market share, they just simply they'll offer a few. Solutions and then they.

They just don't push it. you know? Um, and I think that there's a few Brands like that so maybe that'll change. You know we'll see. Uh Bruce says the units are 23 years old I think that's what he said Ryan said what do you think of private labels I don't really have an opinion on it I think it's good marketing for the the contractor I mean if you're if you're doing business with a company called Summit and they they're big enough to have their own equipment that says Summit on them I mean that's kind of cool you know? but uh, what? I would want to know as the consumer, what is it You know if it is a private label, what is it? Who's it being made by? um because some of them I wouldn't be okay with you know I Want to know am I installing a carrier, a train? a dyin what are you putting in my house? You know? well no, it's a summit Yeah, yeah I hear you.

But what who made it? you know you should be able to answer that. You know. So in fact, uh Bruce I would love uh next week for you to uh if you, uh, find out if you want to send me the label or however, we got to figure it out. but I'd love to to find out who did make that unit.

If it's a private label, that would be kind of cool. kind of another topic for another show, right? So anyway, um anyway, uh, we're going to be wrapping up soon. If you got any last minute heating and air questions you want to share. Uh, but while we're doing that if you would, uh if you've got a good Heating and Air company local to you, please share them in the chat.

uh who they are and where they're located. Let's show those guys some love. Uh, it's probably one of my favorite things that we do on our show. and um I don't know if you guys like it or care, but it's one of my favorite things that we do do.

so. uh, if you've got a good company local to you, please share them. Arch says hopefully hopefully before next summer. Something we'll give because we'll be replacing our old heat pump with another package unit.

Well Arch I would hold out as long as you can. uh because I don't know when but these new refrigerant systems are coming. Uh I Sat through a webinar today where they were saying that it could be as soon as two in the next two months and so you know we're in in November now. So they're saying uh January So as these companies start to roll these out, these these newer I don't I don't know if that's accurate, that's just what the guy said.

but as as they start to roll this equipment out with these new refrigerants um I would say that if you don't get the the the package unit you want with the new refrigerants in them yet, uh, hold on as long as you can. um but that I mean I don't know if that's the right move or not. You know that that that's also part of this too. uh I think it could be argued that 410A refrigerant is going to get more expensive as the years go on and it's harder to get.

But that's not to say that these new refrigerants won't be expensive too, you know. I I Just don't know. but I think I'll say this if I was talking to my own family. I would say hold out as long as you can.

Let's get you a couple portable AC's if you can. Let's tough it out and let's get through this until we can buy the a good long-term solution Because we're We're finally there. We've been talking about it for the last year or two and now we're It's here. We're finally to the point where these new new refrigerant this these this equipment is going to start coming out and it's going to affect if nothing else, it's going to affect the price of 41A refrigerant Ryan says across the country or local to where you are from, new refrigerants and new systems across the country I I'm saying across the country across the in fact where I am I'm in Virginia Virginia is one of the states that has not approved A2l refrigerants or at least as of two weeks ago I have not heard anything late you know I don't know what the latest is on that I would imagine as soon as that happens we're going to find you know we'll be getting word.

You know my Distributors and so on will probably be letting us know. but uh, as of two weeks ago, Virginia was still one of the states one of the last few States you know we're only talking I I Think it's like six, seven, eight states or so that have still not approved the A2l refrigerants yet and I don't know why I Don't know all that, you know. Maybe it's political, maybe it's safety. I I Just don't know.

but um, it's coming, you know, and um, hopefully it's sooner than later for all these states. Maybe that's what the deal is. Maybe these these companies are ready to start rolling this stuff out, but they want to wait until these last couple. States Uh, you know, get their butt and gear on this stuff.

I Don't want to be in the first year customer for people installing the new equipment with the new refrigerants. I was going to wait an additional year. That's not a bad idea. Uh, the one thing I'll say though, if you go with a Dyan am, Mana or Goodman is they're switching to R32 and I would argue that R32 is better.

Uh, now now we can talk all day about whether it's better, uh, whether it's a better product for the environment or whether it's a better product for you know, whatever. We could go back and forth, but it's the only solution right now that is a single blend. It's not a blended refrigerant, it's a single element refrigerant and it's just like R22 was. so you can charge it in gas or liquid and you don't have to worry about Glide and you don't have to worry about you know all the other crap that people have to deal with with 410A getting the subcool Perfect.

I Think that we're going to finally and I I don't know I haven't laid hands on it yet, but I remember the days of R22 and how great it was to work with. it was just great, you know? Um, so I for me in my house as soon as the fit uh, the the newer fit with the the better capabilities comes out with R32 in it. I'll probably be putting that in my house in my upstairs, uh soon as soon as I can. If we bought a 410A system today, what happens when it's phased out assuming the system lasts, are their options? If you need a refill, yes, they're going to, you'll be able to buy 410A for plenty of years to come.

Um, in fact, I actually like this phase out or phase down better than how they did it with R22 because R22 it's almost like they were kind of dangling, dangling it in front of us for way too long long. You know in the early 90s, 410A systems started coming out and then you could Still, you could buy either one for the longest time. And then you started seeing some people more and more start to switch over to 410A and then it got to where you could buy R22 equipment but it was dry charged and all these different things and so uh with this these new these new refrigerants are coming. They've put a hard date on it and said after this date you can't buy 410A equipment and then but then you still will be able to buy 41A refrigerant for another.

you know, at least decade and a half. you know so that I think that that's a healthier way to do it but you know we'll see. it could be a a you know a a poop show I won't say what I was actually going to say what my dad used to say all the time uh Ryan said good show thank you again for answering questions I Hope your channel goes by leaps and this year into next. Thanks Ry I Appreciate that pal me too me too.

Um you know the goal is to to eventually grow this thing into you know being a a great solution for anybody that's you know if you've got a a purchase a big purchase coming up uh we want to be the place that can provide you with you know the the answers to your questions. you know that's that's really what this is all about. So Tech junkie says R32 is just for Tday that's not dumb. uh R32 is uh in fora Yes, Yep.

and it's also in R454b. It's actually in both. So anyway, we're going to wrap up on that guys. Uh, thank you for your support.

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