Nothing like a panicking customer because the beer is too warm.... did you know that alcohol is one of the more profitable items in a restaurant, it's kinda crazy what they pay for it and what they sell if for.
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00:00 TEASER
00:19 VIDEO START
00:37 BIG PICTURE INSPECTION
02:50 DIGITAL GAUGES PSA
06:48 CHARGING THE SYSTEM
10:46 FLOODED CHARGE TALK
11:29 BOX IS DOWN TO TEMP
11:51 I'M BACK
14:20 KING VALVE VS QUEEN VALVE
16:38 FLARE NUT PREP
22:40 ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS
24:29 CLOSING WORDS

It's saturday and i do not have the patience just got done, fixing a beer walk-in got it up and running. This is all that my van's gon na get right now i'll clean it another day. It is what it is right. This video is brought to you by sportlin quality integrity and tradition.

Well, it's a saturday afternoon we got a service call on a beer walk-in, that's too high in temperature, so it's set for 35 degrees, but it's 52 in here, so we're definitely gon na have to uh get up on the roof and figure out. What's going on, i don't see any ice or anything on the coils, so so we have our refrigeration rack right here. This is a common rack um, several condensing units in it. This right here is my beer.

Walk-In compressor. It is not running. There is overheating on the top of the compressor shell tell where the paint's peeled off. That's not good.

The compressor itself is not hot at all. Um yeah, it's not hot at all, looks like. Maybe we have a refrigerant leak right here, something other compressors are running. So, let's go over here to my electrical panel.

We open this up, doesn't look like the breakers are tripped. Our time clock is going to be system c right here. This is our time clock it's in refrigeration, mode kind of hard, for you guys to tell system c breakers are not tripped. Um system c contactors are up here, so we're gon na need to start.

I would uh say because understanding the system operation we're gon na start at the low pressure control which, on this one right here, is a dual pressure control. So we're going to open that up and check to see if we're maybe open on low pressure. Judging by the signs of refrigerant oil, i bet you we are. This is a standard, dual pressure control.

It has one set of electrical contacts across it, so those two wires right: there control the low pressure side and the high pressure side. So if we simply put our meter on volts ac and check across and we get 200 volts, this guy is open right now, so i think we are out of refrigerant. I think we have a massive, catastrophic refrigerant leak somewhere in here and we're going to need to figure out where, whenever using digital gauges, whether it be a manifold or probes, you always want to make sure that they're zeroed out before you apply pressure to them. Turning off the wireless because i don't need it to kill my battery um so before you apply pressure, you want to make sure they're zeroed out that we don't get false readings when you do apply pressure, so we're going to open up the high side very, very Low pressure in the high side and we're going to open up the low side very, very low pressure, so my system is pretty much out of refrigerant from the looks of it.

So i did bring up a leak, detector and some soap bubbles. So we're going to try to identify this refrigerant leak. It looks like it's going to be somewhere in this area right here, there's clearly just oil everywhere right there. This is going to be a little difficult to see, but right here is a refrigerant leak right on the pressure control stem.
So we're probably going to luck out here, because our system barely has any refrigerant in it. I'm going to be able to change this on the fly is the plan here because we never ran out of refrigerant completely. So i can uh bust this off real, quick under really low pressure and put a new pressure control on there. Basically, do a hot swap um yeah and then we'll be able to determine whether or not there's more leaks.

I'm just going to get myself through a saturday as the hopes and then maybe we could come back next week and clean it up a little bit. We'll have to see but um yeah. Let me go down and make sure i have a dual pressure control, which i'm pretty sure i do and then we'll see what we can do, because this system never completely ran out of refrigerant. I'm not gon na have to pull an evacuation and i'm not going to have to change the liquid line.

Filter dryer. What i'm going to do is get everything set up. Get the new control installed. Leave this one kind of push to the side and quickly do the low pressure with it.

Having that small amount of pressure and it'll be really easy to change it and do the same thing for the high side, pressure too really quick. The system will never run out of gas and it'll save us having to do a full evacuation, but i will say, judging by the top of that compressor, that that paints all cracking and crinkling in there. That's not a good sign, but that also could be because it was running low on refrigerant for a while too it's hard to say so, all right, i'm gon na do this real quick! I already turned off power. It shouldn't be a hard swap at all all right, we're about halfway there pressure control in electrically coiled up right here i pulled off these existing lines and just put caps on them that barely has any pressure, so we're fine um and then we're going to connect That back we'll put some nylon on it.

Tighten it up now. 404A is a blended refrigerant. First off it's a near azeotropic blend right, it's very minimal to glide on it, so i'm not really worried about it. Fractionate fractionating right, but at the same time, even if it was going to there's so little refrigerant left in the system that i'm about to dump, you know i imagine there might be two pounds of gas left in here.

If that maybe a pound, if that and i'm about to dump, i think like 21 pounds of new refrigerant, on top of it, it's going to be it's not even going to make a blip okay, but this is just saving me from having to do an evacuation. This is an emergency repair because their beer walk-ins at 50 degrees they're, not selling beer. We need this fixed asap now i may decide to come in later and change the dryer who knows, but right now we're just worried about getting this thing up and running now. If it ran out of refrigerant completely, then yes, i would have to pull an evacuation.
I don't care how much of a hurry we're in, but it didn't so we're good to go. So i'm gon na put these other guys on put some nylog on them. Get it up and running and then we'll charge the system up and go from there all right. I weighed this down in my truck um.

I actually know that i don't have enough refrigerant. I'm gon na have to go get some, but i'm at least gon na get it up and running the amount of refrigerant that i don't have is gon na be the winter chart. So i am gon na have to go get some today because we are supposed to get rain tomorrow and the temperatures will drop. So we want to make sure that for the the head pressure control valve that we have enough extra refrigerant, but for now i'm going to get them up and running so controls installed, leak-free, everything's, good i'll, secure it with silicone and stuff later um.

I've purged this guy. I've opened up my process, port we're gon na dump it into the high side as much as it'll take right. There a little leak right there, but that's okay, dump as much into the high side as possible, we're gon na. Let it take that whole thing, because i know there's not enough refrigerant there.

The total charge on this guy is 19 pounds, and i bet you i weighed it down to the van, but i think that this cylinder, i wrote it right here. The cylinder weighed 18 pounds down at the van these guys usually weigh about six pounds empty, so we're clearly not going to have enough gas, but this will get us up and running so we're dumping as much into the high side as possible until it won't take. It anymore, then we'll let it stabilize out then we'll turn the system on and start metering it into the low side once we've gotten as much out of the tank, you know as possible at this point now. I understand the sequence of operation for this system, so the uh temperature controller solenoid valve and everything gets its power from the time clock.

This is an electric defrost uh cooling system downstairs. So when i turn this on, the solenoid valve is going to open up and our pressures are going to rise. There we go we're rising and it's going to turn on here in just a second there we go we're on so now, i'm going to start adding gas to the low side again. I know it's going to take my full tank of gas here, because this thing was damn near out of gas, so i'm just going to keep adding refrigerant metering it into the low side until it won't take any more.

Of course, i'm paying attention to the sight glass over there just started flashing things to consider when you have refrigerant leaks, is how much oil actually leaked out of the system. One thing to understand is a drop of refrigeration. Oil goes a mile, so sometimes it can look a lot worse than it is. But the nice thing is this: compressor has an oil sight glass, it doesn't look too bad.
It looks like right about the halfway point, so we're gon na keep we're just about done with this refrigerant tank. I've got it open all the way. It's just vapor. I can't see any liquid in my sight, glass right here anymore and just about put all of it in there.

We are not even to a clear sight glass, yet it's still flashing. So this will get me operational. I'm gon na have to go and either open up a supply house or go find one of my other service technicians and get a drum of 404 out of his van because i don't have any more i'm short right now, so i will be back right now. I'm going to take down the tools that i'm not going to use anymore.

So that way, when i come back, i just have to you know, put the remaining refrigerant in the system, but this way it'll start bringing the box down to temperature too. All right, i am back, i went and found some extra refrigerant. I had one of my employees had some and then i also had some at the shop. So i got this half full drum from my employee and then got a full drum for my van from the shop now um.

I need to add 11 pounds of refrigerant to this, so this particular manufacturer has it written down how much this system takes fully charged accounting for the uh added refrigerant for the winter charge, so i've already added so much so i know that i need to add 11 pounds more system is coming down in temperature, we'll go down and verify in a few minutes, but we're just going to add it till we get to 11 pounds all right. I have added total 11 pounds of refrigerant, including this extra three pounds right now. So eight from the previous drum three from this, my sight, glass just cleared right over here i get it focused, so the sight glass just clear. This is the proper charge, not accounting for the flooded charge or the winter charge.

Okay, the extra gas needed for the head pressure control valve to bypass now, everything we add is for the flooded charge. Okay, so i need it from this drum i needed 11 pounds total. So what is that 1098? So eight more pounds of refrigerant for the flooded charge. It's always good to pay attention to that information, all right, it's nice and cold in here now the coil is a little frosty, but that's okay and uh see if you can see the thermostat yeah it's about 35 degrees.

I think the set point's like 32, because it's a 33 because it's a beer walking, but this will get them through the weekend and uh. I think i'm gon na come back and change the dryer next week. All right. It has been a couple days and i am back today we're gon na go ahead and change that dryer in sight, glass um.

I can hardly see the sight glass it's all covered in calcium. From a couple years back we had a crazy summer. We were hitting a lot of 120 degree weather and we had to run misters on a lot of equipment and we've been slowly repairing the equipment. You know sight glasses and things like that, but we're gon na go ahead and change this guy out and uh.
It's currently turned off, so it's either pumped down or in defrost. So let's go over here. That is not a crack pipe. By the way.

I was wondering that too it's a piece of a pin, um system c, is not in defrost. So it's probably just satisfied. Downstairs um we're going to be working in this side right here. Ow that hurt this.

Is my system we'll be putting a sight, glass and dryer right there i'll put in a flare, so we'll be redoing, some re-piping and stuff make it look pretty when we are applying service gauges to our equipment? I know this often gets forgotten about and even i'm guilty of it. I forget to do this. Sometimes we need to uh uh loosen the packing right. So you get right up in here when it's possible and just loosen on that before you actuate the valve itself and this one i've already done, but it will save the packing gland.

It should be loose make sure it's nice and loose now understand something that when you do that it has the potential of leaking. So keep that in mind you may have to throw a cap on it or if it leaks too much just tighten it down once you've actuated the valve. It will save your service valves from wearing out and from leaking. If you do that on a regular basis.

So this one started leaking when i did it, but now we have system pressures, but i'm really curious. Oh okay, i was like, why is the pressure equalized, but my gauges were open. So that's why and there we go now there we go. We just turned on because, unfortunately, when i put my gauges on, they were equalized out so now it should be pumping down by the solenoid valve.

We need to pump the entire refrigerant charge into that receiver, so i'm going to actually have to go close. The king valve on the receiver and wait for the system to turn on and or go downstairs and get it to turn on by raising the temperature. So that way, all the refrigerant can be stored in the receiver. While i'm making this repair not really a huge fan of these, but i see the benefit of it, you have a queen valve and you have a king valve the king valve shuts the flow coming out of the receiver.

The queen valve ruins your compressor and what i mean by that is, if you shut this valve down, it no longer has a tank to go into. But if you shut this valve down, it allows the refrigerant to build up in the tank and be used to pump the system down, so don't ever actuate the queen valves. If you don't know what you're doing leave that one alone now, i've already uh loosened the packing on this one. I made sure that this right here was nice and tight, so we're just going to go ahead and uh front seat this valve and the refrigerant flow is going to be stopped coming out of the receiver and it's going to back up into the storage vessel.

And it's going to shut down the flow to the low side. That way we can uh perform service on the low side of the system. We're gon na put the cap back on. So that way, it doesn't leak and we'll go over and monitor the gauge pressures and then we'll get in here and start cutting stuff apart all right, my system is pumped down now so now i'm just kind of getting ready, because i want the system open for The least amount of time as possible, so i already grabbed my uh tubing benders right here, pre-bent this guy about where it should be right, and it's long so that way i can trim it down.
I've got some flare nuts right here. Of course, i got spoiling catch-all dryer and a sporling cl sight glass and we do flare with the male female sight glass, so they couple together, just like all the other ones that i've done right there. Okay, it makes it really easy for servicing later um all right, so we're gon na put this together. Then we got ta trim these down.

De-Burr it flare it. I got my flaring tool right here and we'll get this guy set up, and then we are going to have to do two braze joints now, because this system is a pump down system. We can't really purge with nitrogen, because there's no way to relieve the pressure and you have the potential of contaminating the system with nitrogen. So it's kind of a tricky thing to do unless you were to add service ports and different things, but it really it's not going to be that big of a deal.

So i'm just going to prep it, and then we will have to do the two braze joints somewhere right here and somewhere right here. We'll have to do a raze joint, but shouldn't be a big deal. I've been using this flaring tool for all my career, to be honest with you, and i think it was my dad's before that it works great. I have been considering getting a new one because it's finally starting to get worn out, but it still does the trick doing a flare.

In my opinion, the key is carefully deburring the edge, but not deburring it too much get a nice clean flare make sure the pipe is good. It fits in there same thing on this one, nice and good, make sure you put the nut on before you flare. It and make sure the pipe is straight, but yeah both of those look good. So i'm going to go, get my swaging tool and we'll have to swage this in before you use the i'm using the spin swage, but i mean with any suedes.

You also want to make sure that you deburr it um, we'll get the swaging tool. My torch is, and we'll have to figure out how we're going to make this work got our liquid line, filter, dryer and the side glass. We're going to use a little bit of nylog right on these surface right here, we'll just put a little bit doesn't take much and then we'll put it on the flare nuts too, when we're ready. Another thing is: there's an argument to be made.

Well, actually, i've made this argument many times we're going to be evacuating through our manifold gauge set and something to understand is the entire time we're doing. This vapor is still boiling out of all the oil throughout the system. So we're not going to be able to pull a perfect vacuum, but this is also you can see the refrigerant boiling out of there. It's also not as necessary on a pump down system.
Of course, you still need to pull an evacuation, but you're never going to see perfection because you end up pulling all the refrigerant out of the receiver. All right put nylog on everything got this all set up where we need to be got the low side hose taken off on the other side. So that way, the pressure has a place to go because remember all that refrigerant's still boiling out of the oil. So we just need to braise this one and this one everything's already torqued on looking good.

So so so so all right. So what happened? Was i raised this one up, but then i saw like a flame coming out because the pressure wasn't being relieved and the unit actually went into defrost and the liquid line solenoid valve shut. So i had to go: take it out of defrost and then i was able to braise it up, so we're good to go, we're going to cool those off inspect them with the mirror and then we'll get the evacuation running on this guy. This is what i'm talking about.

I haven't even started the vacuum pump and that's just the refrigerant boiling out of the oil, so we're going to vent that so we're not pulling a crap ton of refrigerant with the vacuum pump and then we're just going to pull a quick vacuum through the gauges. It's not going to be perfect, but it'll. You know just get the potential air that we might have gotten in there when we put the dryer on, but that's it, but the entire time we're doing this. That refrigerant is just boiling out of that oil, and on top of that, all the valves in these systems leak the king valve on the receiver like they're, not 100 leak-free.

You never know if you have a messed up reed in the compressor uh. Well, it's not really a read on these ones, but still just understand that you know it's not going to be a perfect evacuation because we're only pulling on the low side, the high side still has full refrigerant in it. We are running uh currently right now the head pressure is building the head pressure. Control valve is going to be bypassing driving the head pressure up, it's probably about 50 degrees outside right now, so sight glass is clear.

That's a good sign! Some dodo heads. They had someone come in and install new ice machine condensers over here, and they just ran so cord all the way over. It's driven me nuts for years, but the customer hasn't wanted to fix it because it works one of these days. I'm just going to get in there and do it because that stupid quarter is driving me nuts, but um.

Okay, so yeah we're going to watch this thing operate for a little while and then we'll do a leak search around the flare fittings. This guy's done - and i was just kind of wrapping some things up and i come over here. I didn't even catch this earlier. Look at that feed line, one holy moly, that's bad! I don't know if that's repairable or not, i'm gon na get over here and cut the wire back, because it looks like there's some extra and see if we can salvage it.
If not we're gon na have to get a new breaker. I don't know this is interesting. All right, i have power, turned off and isolated. If you come right here as i suspected it's loose, so i have to open it up and inspect it.

The other ones are tight yeah. The other ones are nice and tight that one was loose, so i need to inspect the inside of the breaker. It doesn't look like it's damaged, but you got to watch out, but i think i have enough wire to pull it back and cut it back. Hopefully, it's not ideal, i mean i'm not in love with the fact that the wire is coming up here, but i had to cut off a lot.

I basically felt where it was rigid and it felt rigid all the way back to here. So i cut it off right there, so the wires are not burnt right there um and then i torque down on this really really good. Unfortunately, i don't have an actual torque tool, but i think it's tight enough i'll bring it up to the customer's attention if they want to permanently fix this. But i guess we can do splicing lugs in a perfect world yeah i'd hate to have splicing lugs in here, but sometimes you got to do what you got to do, but i'll bring it to their attention see if they want to go any further.

With this we'll keep an eye on this breaker, i'm going to turn it back on check, voltage and everything make sure it's all good, but i think we caught a problem before it ruined some compressors. Hopefully i am not a perfect technician. I am lazy. I don't want to do any more work than i want to you know i i'm not perfect.

Okay uh in this situation, i took a shortcut and while there's not, i don't think going to be any problems from the shortcut it happens. We have to understand, though, that when we take shortcuts, there could potentially be repercussions because of that: okay, understanding, the sequence of operation of our systems, understanding what happens when refrigerant fractionates? Okay, when refrigerant fractionates we're talking about the different boiling points of the refrigerant and the refrigerant itself, uh, you know is a multi-component refrigerant, there's multiple refrigerants in there making up r404a and when it fractionates, you could potentially let out one type of refrigerant, and then you Only have two components left or, however many different refrigerants there is in there, so you could then theoretically make a new refrigerant that wouldn't act and respond to temperature. The way that 404a does right now in this situation, i don't think i'm going to run into any problems and i'm willing to take that gamble, but we need to understand the repercussions if it did fractionate and it made a new refrigerant and then it doesn't um. You know react the way that it should to the temperature pressure chart think about a thermostatic expansion valve that opens and closes depending on the line, temperature, the suction line, temperature right and the pressure on the liquid line coming into the expansion valve.
It's set up for a particular type of refrigerant, and if you change that type of refrigerant and continue to use that same thermostatic expansion valve, then theoretically, it could not feed properly whether it puts too much refrigerant into the evaporator or not enough uh, depending on the Line temperatures and then maybe it wouldn't boil off, and you could have flood back coming back to your compressor, different things like that. Okay, so it's so important to understand what happens now in this situation. Um. I basically just took a shortcut, so i didn't have to do an evacuation on saturday, because i knew it was going to be a disaster.

But there was barely any vapor refrigerant left in the system and i made a judgment call to go ahead and dump 19 pounds of refrigerant. On top of that, i don't even think there was a pound in there, but there was just enough that it didn't pull any more moisture or air into the system. So i think i'm going to be just fine. Now it'd be one thing: if you know uh, you walked up to a 20-pound system and there was you know, um five pounds of refrigerant.

It's questionable whether or not it would be a problem with with the refrigerant like r404a. The glide is so small, meaning that the difference in boiling temperatures of the different components in that refrigerant that make up that whole refrigerant. I really still don't think you'd have a huge, huge ordeal, but when you come to some of these new retrofit refrigerants that replace r22 410a, those things are multi-multi-component refrigerants and you theoretically run the risk of fractionating that refrigerant, when you top it off again lean on The manufacturer of the refrigerant like uh, you know, there's uh 448a is a new uh replacement refrigerant for multiple refrigerants right. It's a new one, that's kind of popular right.

Now it is a 400 series refrigerant. So it's also being phased out too, but regardless that's a whole other conversation. For another day, the manufacturer honeywell 448a says that they really don't see any issues topping off the charge with 448a. So you know lean on the manufacturer.

The refrigerant listen to their recommendations because they're, the ones that are going to know their refrigerant, the best okay, now um saturday morning, repairs - i mean you know. Sometimes you don't want to spend days and days and days there now um. I did find a couple things in this video right uh. I also found that electrical issue.

Now, if you look back to the very beginning, clip coming into this video right here, you'll actually see that that burnt wire existed here too, but i didn't catch it. The first day because i was in, like you know, tunnel vision mode and it's probably not a good thing. I should have caught it the first day because theoretically, it could have caused damage to everything else. If you have a loose electrical connection like that, and i believe that's what caused that it can cause catastrophic damage to the system, it can cause low voltage which can cause issues to the compressors.
You can start to burn motors out. You can cause issues that would have single-phased all the compressors now. Luckily, i don't think it was happening yet. I think it was right at the verge of it starting to cause problems and it hadn't caused any yet, but you can clearly see how it burnt the insulation off of all that wire.

So we as technicians need to be careful and remember. I say this all the time don't wear headphones. You know when you're on these job sites, so that way you can hear use your senses. Your senses are what make you a human right.

You have all these different senses and you know we can feel we can smell. We can touch, we can hear and it's so important to use those when we're being service technicians. So that way we can find problems now. Luckily, the second day that i was here uh, i was able to find that um that burnt electrical wire and notice it before it became a problem right nobody's perfect.

Nobody will ever be perfect. The best thing that i see that we can do as technicians is try to be perfect. That's the best thing we uh, you know we're we're always trying to be perfect, always trying to be the best technicians, understanding that we are human, too. Okay, um! You know.

I left a clip in the video too about how my van was a disaster. It had been a long long week. I had a lot of stuff going on. Work was busy.

I had a lot of um personal stuff going on and it was just a rough week for me, so you know, life happens and, and i'm sure just like me, it happens to every one of you at some point in time. You know, and and it's normal for us to run into things but remember um, you know to try to stay focused and try to stay in the game as much as you can all right. I really appreciate you guys. You guys are amazing all the support that i'm given from all of you is so humbling and so awesome and - and i'm i'm so thankful for that.

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3 thoughts on “Get here asap the beer is warm”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ahmed Alyami says:

    One of the best videos to learn Thanks Mr Chris 😁😁

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars neilvester victor says:

    Big picture diagnosis Chris on the money move πŸ˜† Are you in Barrhaven ?

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Electroimpex says:

    Greets from Germany ✌🏻

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