This was a call on a Manitowoc Ice machine not working, and I actually made a pretty big mistake ... But in the end all was well.
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00:00 TEASER
00:08 SPONSOR CARD
00:18 VIDEO START
02:16 CONDENSING UNIT INSPECTION
02:26 TRIGGER WARNING
03:10 FOUND A PROBLEM
05:22 COMPRESSOR OVERLOAD TEST
06:02 1 2 3 PLEASE DONT BLOW UP
08:54 TOLD YOU I'D WIN
09:41 CLEANING TIME
10:02 SPRAY RAIL REMOVAL TIP
11:42 I COULDN'T LEAVE IT
12:22 O DOYL RULES

And one two three, please don't blow up guys. I Made a big mistake. This video is brought to you by Sporland quality, integrity and tradition. Um, we got a call on a Manitowoc ice machine that is, uh, not working bin is empty. so let's uh, hop up here and see what's going on. Come open this guy up. It's a little dirty in here. Customer says it's been down for a couple days and we've got this right here. I Believe that's the luminized thing I Think and then it says that there's an asterisk: Long Freeze long Harvest So let's go ahead and clear all menu and hit the start button and see if anything happens. So we're dumping. so the water pump starts on this one and the dump valve opens up right here. So it's actually dumping the water down the drain so it starts flowing over the evaporator. but then it'll slow down. Come down here and you can see it's just dumping all the water out so that's normal. It's a purge cycle and then what you should hear in just a second as soon as it's gone through its timed dump cycle. Um, or you know it could I don't remember I Think it might use the float too. Okay, so now the valves have all opened and our compressor should be turning on and we should feel a temperature difference on the evaporator. It's a pre-chill where it's filling with water. If you go into here sometimes you can get it service and then data. Real-time data, time and temperature. Okay, you can actually see what mode it's in so it's in a pre-chill mode right now and that means that it's pre-chilling the evaporator and the evaporator is not getting cold at all. So I think we need to jump up onto the roof, but it should be pre-chilling the evaporator to try to prevent slush. So that way when the water pump does turn on and start running over, it doesn't slush up as bad. So this is our condensing unit and it is not running and it should be. This should be running right now. So I'm going to open up the electrical panel and we'll start checking some voltages. see what's up here. This is the newer Indigo next model so it does not have the calm wires. The old ones have the thermostat wiring coming up. Uh, that could be a problem. Looks like we've got a little black widow right here too. says hey Bud, let me do my thing. Who cares how much a bite from one of those hurts? Not that I'm gonna do it and obviously they can be poisonous. but I'm curious. like does it really hurt or is it just like a pinch and then you're screwed. Oh, check that out. Compressor contactors pulled in without her. It's stuck and we're not getting anything I wonder? Yeah! I'll get my meter out. Let me get rid of that black widow first though. Okie dokie. So Black Widow has been eradicated and we're gonna go and check some voltages here. Uh, coming in 203 203. This is a three-phase system. 203 now going out 102. that's a problem. 203 83. we lost the leg here. Well, no, we didn't lose a leg. Actually, we have an issue. Let's check across the contactor. 120 volts, Zero volts, Zero volts. All right. this contactor is pulled in. We should not have a voltage drop across there. and we're measuring 120 volts right here. meaning that this is not making a good connection. We are single phasing that compressor. Yep, compressor is nice and warm. Let's go ahead and get the top pulled off and uh, have a look at it now. This contactor is a little different. Okay, if you look, the coil voltage on the old one is on the top. on the new one, it's not. So we're going to swap the cover around, but in order to do that, this piece is a little long right here. so we got to cut this shorter because it won't safely fit down in there properly. So we're going to go ahead and trim it real quick and then get that right side up. Let's have a look in here. It looks like spider got in there. Yeah, it's the spider. that's what happened. Spider got into the terminals I Know it's hard for you guys to see. It's right in there. There's what's left of the spider, so that was the problem. Now question is, will this compressor restart More than likely I Think it will see how warm it is. It's pretty warm. It might be on lockout. Let's go ahead and test to see if we're on lockout right now. So I pulled the condenser fan motor wires off, put my meter on tone continuity. Okay, and we're going to check to see if the thermal overload is open in the compressor. So load one to two. You get 1.32 Ohms two to three 1.32 Ohms one to three 1.31 Ohms. So we're not off on lockout thermal overload. Um, it does have a lock or a overload inside the compressor typically. So let's go ahead and get an amp clamp on this guy just for Giggles to see how it reacts when we apply voltage and one two three. Please don't blow up. Yeah, that's not good. What happened here: Something happened I might have screwed something up. Did I fry something off the look and see if I screwed up the wiring or if something's bad. That's one of those moments where it blew up, right? guys. I made a big mistake I made an assumption and I wasn't thinking straight. Okay I made the Assumption off of past experience and this kind of stuff does happen. It's my own fault. the customer will not have to pay for this. But basically I fried the contactor because I put the wrong contactor in. it's a 24 volt contactor because the old Manitowoc Indigos were 24 volts. this one is the new Indigo next and this is a 208 volt contact so that is my bad. I will correct it real quick. it won't take me long. I'll go get the right contactor and we'll put it in there. so it happens I screwed up on that one but you know it's I'll just eat the contactor. No big deal all right now I got the right contactor and there it is a 208 volt contactor. I'm a little worried though and I'm wondering. hmm well let's turn it on and see what happens I think we tripped a breaker Now what is going on here? Let's check voltage two or three 203. Hmm. All right. Well yeah, that was a screw up right? Um, what I ended up doing was I had the wrong coil voltage. Stupid me. went ahead and put a new contactor back in there with the right coil voltage. Um, the one that I put in was a 24 volt. This is a 208 volt. but not only did I change the contactor I also changed the time delay relay because the time delay relay is wired into the coil voltage and here's what I think happened because uh, there was such a high current when we tried to pull that in by applying 208 volts to a 24 volt coil. It actually fried the time delay because this is only rated for one amp and it was running higher than one amp on that initial startup. So that's my bad. Again, no charge to the customer for that. Put the right contactor in, put a new time delay in, and we should be good to go now. I Need to go downstairs I Had to go pick up the time delay. So I need to go downstairs and make sure all is well, Turn the machine back on and then we'll come up here and make sure that it starts up all right. Well I Powered it back on downstairs. So we're going to turn this on and guess what? There we go. Now it's running, so it's a fan delay because it has a fan cycle switch. so when the fan cycle switch senses that the pressure's high enough, it'll turn the fan motor on. so we're waiting for that. There we go, and it's normal for the fan to cycle on and off throughout a normal cycle, depending on the ambient temperatures. It's basically set up. uh, this is 404a so it's set up to maintain I think it's like 275 to 200 head pressure PSI Somewhere in there. Um, I'm gonna go ahead and put the side panel back on and then put the top on and then we're going to head downstairs and uh, do a quick cleaning on the ice machine and we put it into the cleaning cycle. and now we're pouring in some of the Viper Nickel Safe Cleaner and then we're just going to let it cycle through and then break it down. I'm gonna go ahead and pull all the spray rails and everything out. give them a good rinse. I Already ran ice machine cleaner through the machine so we'll give everything a good quick little rinse and wipe down and then we'll watch it make ice after that. So these spray rails are always a pain to come out and usually grab the thumb screws with some pliers and pull. but you can solve that by putting some of the silicone grease on there food safe, silicone grease from Refrigeration Technologies and that'll prevent them from being so difficult coming out. So when we're assembling it, we'll make sure we put that stuff on there as I'm doing these. I like to pull everything out all the way. Um, and like I said, I already ran cleaner through it. so now we get to take them all, scrub them down, pull the water pump out, disconnect everything, get underneath here and again. I'm not doing like a crazy crazy cleaning, but I'm just going to do a quick little scrub down, get the majority of the nastiness off. This machine actually is not bad at all. so see the most important things for a function of the machine is the water level probe, the ice thickness probe, and of course the water pump. You don't want it to be completely gummed up, but you can see there's some surface stuff on there. Uh, if you're doing crazy crazy cleanings, you can pull the dump valve out too. but I don't see the need to do that right now. It's always important to pull the spray rails apart because you get little boogers in here of slime and different things that block off the water flow and that will definitely affect the operation of the machine. So again, like I said, this is really not a bad machine, but we'll get it all sanitized and cleaned up. People forget about like the drain pan the bottom side of it. That's actually where like health department will see and it wouldn't even really affect operation. But that's where restaurants get in trouble because when they look up into the bottom of the machine, they see the drain pan. So scrubbing that down. working our way through all the parts well. I Couldn't just do a quick cleaning. so I did a proper cleaning. still got a few things to wipe down but tore the whole thing apart, scrubbed it down inside all the parts, panels and everything. so we're just assembling it. Now the food grade silicone grease just to put a little bit on the O-rings Rub it on there and it'll make your life a lot easier. Same thing with the O-rings for the water pump too. After we get it all assembled, you gotta add sanitizer to the machine and let it go through a normal Clean Cycle Again, so we're stuck in a 30 minute. Clean Cycle I'm going to let the sanitizer run through it and sanitize all the parts that I touch and everything and then we'll watch it make ice when I'm done with lunch. Thank you! Foreign! So I don't want to make light of a mistake. Mistakes do happen. but I don't want you guys to think that like it's okay to make a mistake every single day. we still have to try our best right to make sure that we don't do things like this. Obviously, if I did this every day, it would start to eat into my profits from my business. Okay, so but I think it's important to leave the mistakes in the video so that way people can understand that. you know they do happen and hopefully my mistake will help you not make the same mistake. Okay, but it's inevitable that every once in a while everybody has a mistake. everybody has a callback. It's just you want to do the best to try to eliminate these ones now. I Was able to recognize why I made the mistake and how I made the mistake right because the the previous model machine had a 24 volt contactor. so I made an assumption and you know what they say about people that assume right? So I made an assumption and I was incorrect and I corrected it right? Quick. Okay, but after that you know we went ahead and cleaned up the machine. It was empty. So at first I wasn't going to do a crazy cleaning on it, but I was like man, the Bin's already empty. normally I have to schedule this stuff I might as well just knock it out right? So I went through there, cleaned the machine and all was well. The machine is operating properly. You know that's all we can do. I Really, really appreciate you guys making it to the end. If you haven't already, please check out my website Hvacrvideos.com We have merchandise available. 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55 thoughts on “I accidentally let the smoke out”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars S W says:

    Swapping out a contactor with the wrong coil voltage is an easy mistake.
    I used to fix steam generators for saunas.
    A unit came in for repair one day – a model which I had worked on dozens of times before and they always had a contactor with a 24 volt coil. I determined that the contactor was faulty on this unit and promptly swapped it out then powered it up, only to be greeted by an almighty BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ then a bang, a flash of light and the magic smoke.
    Checked the contactor I had pulled out and it had a 230 V coil. Ooops.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Troy Belding says:

    Technically speaking, a contactor is a contactor. You have a solenoid being driven in and out. DC contactors are generally rated for double the operating frequency (I believe) as AC contactors. The main difference is in the quenching method.

    It's not great to LEAVE it that way, but you can do it – in a case like this, the time delay switch blowing meant you figured out that you had the wrong contactor before everything went boom. It's like the difference between AC and DC fuses. At the low voltage and amperages I work with, there's no difference. At the high end, DC fuses need different quenching methods. I suspect the time delay relay had it's own problem, and simply exploded (Clive might chime in here) from weakening during the single phasing and other problems, then suddenly being given full power.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ICountFrom0 says:

    Assumption is the mother of all F-ups.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Johnathan Chuprun says:

    That was funny. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving 👍

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ICountFrom0 says:

    I've never noticed things like a warning sticker being blurred before. Course I've never quite seen a mistake this big on the channel, and for all I know the information on it might lead to something slightly too identifiable.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Walker says:

    Good job Chris, it happens, Black widows make me nervous too. Are you in Nepean ?

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The Old Chum says:

    Can you swap out the coil on the contactor from a contractor you replace in the field? Seems kind of silly to throw out an otherwise perfectly good contactor.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brad Goodale says:

    Only human Chris 🤣we all have bad days your honesty is gold mate.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Miguel Rojas says:

    I just did the same mistake couple weeks ago,house part guy didn't give me the right part but that was my mistake,cause I was in a hurry and didn't check the label,shit happens.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars HVACR SoCal Felipe says:

    If you don’t pull the dump valve to inspect it after cleaning the ice machine I can almost ensure you that you will have a callback since the dump valve retains all the calcium and debris causing it to remain open . Manitowocs , Ice O matics , and Scotsman’s are notorious for this 😁

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mikey P.C. 747 says:

    Up in smoke like Cheech and Chong lol, nice video bro!!

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Disneykid93 says:

    Famous last words: and 1 2 3 please don't blow up?

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TheColinputer says:

    Sometimes we make mistakes and shit happens such is life. In all seriousness too you could prob use the actual contacts from that contractor to rebuild one of the ones that has a very short life due to sand. (although prob not worth the time to do that) Are you in Barrhaven ?

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jared Nielsen says:

    I did the exact same thing on a P.F. Chang’s walk in cooler contactor… won’t do that one again

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars A Wilson says:

    At least in your case, it almost doesn't matter how big he mistakes you make are since there isn't anyone that can really Rip your head off and/or Fire you for it is there…

    Since you are after all, the OWNER of the bloody Company…The only mistake(s) you make that truly matter are ones that either gets someone hurt/killed or costs so much to repair that the company goes Bankrupt…

    For all the Headaches that being the Owner brings, there are the occasional Benefits…

    😄😁😆😅😂🤣

    P.S.: As an Electrician, I STRONGLY recommend that if/when this happens again and something goes ZAP when you turn on a Disconnect Switch, TURN THE DARN THING OFF IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER as some Electrical Faults continue to cause damage the longer they occur so the faster you turn the juice off, the lower less damage happens and the lower the Repair/Replacement costs are…not to mention, sometimes that continuing damage is being dome to some poor schmuck that grabbed the wrong thing just as you flipped the switch and is now getting fried so the faster you kill the juice, the less chances are that you kill them!!! Are you in Ottawa ?

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars William Payne says:

    I also love how the original contactor has 208/240 in huge letters on the front. Got to love the humble moments that reach out and get you.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars William Payne says:

    This is where I am glad that my legitimately diagnosed OCD and ASD (Asperger's) causes mild paranoia. It makes me check everything multiple times constantly.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Straycurrent says:

    So the 8-legged critter left the unit one leg short on power. This is a really leggy episode.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Demy26 says:

    Integrity 🥹

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dale Marr says:

    Don't those contactors have interchangeable voltage coils? I used to work with some, where you could just get a new coil & slap it in there. Service area Orleans??

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Greg Mercil says:

    That contactor’s factory smoke was not compatible with that unit. 😆 anyways, seeing an experienced pro/senior tech make a mistake (and especially own up to it) make an oopsie once in a while makes this rookie tech right here not feel so bad about the occasional mistake I make. We’re all only human right? All we can do is try our best and learn from it.

    Like you though, I don’t get many callbacks but when I do, I don’t take it lightly. Back in August I changed out somebody’s board and blower motor, the board was a universal one so it came with about a billion different wiring harnesses for a billion different systems. I was in that attic for about an hour and a half, stressed out, exhausted and overheated, when I was done I tested it in cooling mode, worked perfectly, called it a day and got the hell outta there. Then a couple weeks ago the boss went to the same house on a no heat call. He called me while he was there, explained to me a mistake I made. It didn’t work in heat mode because I failed to use the appropriate wiring harness for that unit, I simply ASSUMED that it didn’t need one because the system’s harness simply fit into the molex connector on the board. Of course I was fairly upset about my mistake and kinda freaked out. Luckily I still had the harnesses the board came with and was still in my van. Went back, put the harness in and fired up in heating just as it was supposed to. Just a stupid little mistake and easily fixable, but still wanted to slap myself. Lesson learned, read directions and never assume. 🤣

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dennis Duffy says:

    Made that same mistake many times lol 😅smells funny too 😮

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Raymond Cortez says:

    I think you meant “venomous” not “poisonous” lol unless you make it part of your lunch 😂

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars VideoArchiveGuy says:

    If you watch the video carefully you can see the smoke comes out of the time delay, so I'm not surprised you had to replace that as well.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard Stephens says:

    I have lost track of the times I have let the electronic smoke of surrender out. Computer power supplies, transformers, theater lights, sound systems. I have fried them all. Thankfully I have also figured out how to rebuild many. It's amazing how much charge a sandstorm has.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kevin Sullivan says:

    Okay…so the smoke got out. Just don't let the STANK out! LOL.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Scott DiMora says:

    We saw the TDR fry when you initially fried the system.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Scott DiMora says:

    If you have 2 out of 3 phases then aren't you double-phasing instead of single phasing the compressor? Or missing 1 compressor phase?

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bryan Harayda says:

    I’ve definitely done that with the wrong coil voltage in contactors before lol. I’ve also been able to swap out coils, didn’t have a 208/240 V coil contactor but was able to remove coil from contactor with bad points and put it on a contactor that originally had a 24 V coil lol. Also, I really enjoy these videos, and appreciate that you do sometimes screw up too, and show it! Good job!

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sin Ligereep says:

    Huh, I was wondering what you meant by 'please don't blow up', so it was interesting to see what happens when it does 'blow up'. Also good on you showing your mistakes and letting people know that everyone makes mistakes and it's human.

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mark HVAC says:

    It really hurts.
    I have been hit twice😮

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Donniel Duncan says:

    Finally i have proof to show that your not a robot😂..keep the content coming

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tony Mc Guire says:

    As others said and I also bring up my mistake with the customer. You did remind me of one I did a few years back. I was changing a bulb/lamp in a table lamp for a good friend and I grabbed a bulb/lamp from car which I had some from home with me as they did say they think the table lamp has a fault. well not looking at the boxes that I took one was 12v which was for a old camper that I did work on a few years ago. I put in the table lamp and switched it on and there was such a bang I thought I had died. It was a 12v bulb/lamp on 240v. I did for one thing learned to check the box for the voltage of the bulb/lamp

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars RaithUK says:

    Dude credit to you for showing even the bad bits.. shows integrity. Keep it up man. Service area Ottawa??

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MrShitrope says:

    rip new contactor and old time delay Are you in Orleans ?

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars hourakhshan cooperative says:

    Great video.Thanks Chris.

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Toy says:

    when i was a brand new tech they threw me to the wolves. i did all the compressor’s for home warranty co.. i crossed the run and start wire fried the start winding. luckily my boss was to warranty it. a lesson very well learned. now i double check before i turn on the machine. at least yours wasn’t a compressor. nice mr. humble. awesome job

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars NUC 272 says:

    I never knew that control voltage could even be anything other than 24 volts. I never heard of control voltage for a contactor being 208 volts. I've only worked on residential, but this just tells me that commercial is a different beast entirely.

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars rchandraonline says:

    "an ass trick"… what, an amusing thing a donkey does?

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Steven Cossaboon says:

    Happens to all of us no biggie.great vid as usual

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alan Torrance says:

    You said that machine "was not too bad". I would hate to see a machine that you reconned was bad. It looked pretty bad to me. It was dirty in various inside parts. It was MOST unhealthy! Clean is CLEAN. Anything else is dirty — and therefore BAD!

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars bigclivedotcom says:

    I've seen other YouTubers clearly put a 24V coil contactor in place of a higher voltage one and then jump-cut to the machine working (with a different contactor). I think it's good to show that you can make mistakes. I tend to leave mine in and laugh them off, so that others don't feel too bad about their mistakes. Service area Nepean??

  43. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Wilcle NO says:

    Just shows that you are human like the rest of us. Service area Barrhaven??

  44. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars nilborne1 says:

    I thought I was wrong once, but realized i was mistaken. 😀
    What puzzled me once is when i put in 208 coil contactor instead of the correct 24 volt one.

  45. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars chris hilton says:

    lol, probably not a tech on the planet that hasn't done that.

  46. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Arthur Hartwick says:

    How come you don't use sealed contactors?

  47. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tim gladman says:

    as long as you. Learn from your mistakes you always know for next time we’re all human

  48. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Steph&Waylon Wells says:

    👍

  49. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pedro Jardim says:

    Hi. Chris. Thanks for. The video
    If the best make. Mistakes
    Nothing wrong. To b. Honest

  50. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ToxicWaste says:

    Everyone does those things from time to time. I've done that a few times and almost jumped to the sealing the first time.

  51. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars I_am_Allan says:

    PLEASE put a warning up … I'm very agoraphobic and would have appreciated knowing you were going to show them. 🤢

  52. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars greg ruddick says:

    Another great video. We are all human after all.

  53. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dark Fox says:

    Failure is the best teacher

  54. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars LDLidbetter says:

    Thanks for being real!

  55. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Leon Kernan says:

    That’s clearly a bit of a trap when then the 2 versions look so similar and have such different voltage requirements. Are you in Kanata ?

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