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00:10 VIDEO START
00:47 WTF MOMENT
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06:42 TORQUE TIP
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12:01 CLOSING WORDS

This video is brought to you by sportlin quality, integrity and tradition. I'm at this location today for an exhaust fan not working. Now i don't know which fan it is as of yet. I have a hunch that it's this fan but we'll find out, but we have direct drive fans here, meaning that they are uh inverter controlled.

They have um yeah, all kinds of fancy controls but anyways when these fans are sold to the customer. The customer's, under the belief that they're energy-saving, that you know they don't have preventative maintenance costs as much with this kind of stuff. And i think that there was a miscommunication - and i noticed this with a bunch of different customers, because the lack of preventative maintenance is huge. Okay, just because it doesn't have a belt doesn't mean that i don't need to do a maintenance on this fan anymore.

These are motor vents. Look at these motor vents. They are completely plugged solid. Okay, whether or not that's my problem right now - i don't know, but those motor vents are there to help cool the motor off and if it can't breathe, theoretically, it could overheat.

Now i prefer to do this when the fan is running, but it's not running at the moment, so we'll figure that out in a minute i'd, rather all this stuff not go down into the motor, but i don't do so much trying not to breathe this stuff. In it seems very healthy, now, look at look at the difference all right. Let's start by checking power coming into the fan, see if we have anything i'm checking from phase to phase, and i got nothing on the top of the switch phase to phase nothing on the bottom of the switch. So we've got no power coming into the switch check across nothing, nothing, nothing and then we can even check to ground nothing.

Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing nothing! So we have no power to ground no power to the switch on either side. So i went ahead and turned the switch off okay and i'm gon na go downstairs to the breaker panel to see if we have a tripped or a breaker. That's turned off, but i made sure i turned it off so that way when i reset it, if it is tripped uh potentially if we have a bad motor or something it doesn't blow the breaker again, i can come up here and see it happen by flipping The switch there we go. Look.

We got a tripped breaker right here. It's tripped um, let's go ahead and look right up here, that is 18, 20 and 22, and that is 18, 20 and 22.. So what we're gon na do it's a trip? Breaker turn it off turn it on and then we'll go upstairs and troubleshoot all right. So now that we reset it i'd shut this off, and i will tell you something that when i shut this switch off, it didn't feel right.

The actuation felt funky okay, but we're gon na test incoming voltage coming into the switch. So one to two we get 202 volts one to three. We get 200 volts and two to three. We get 200 volts now um, i'm going to go downstairs and turn that breaker off, because i want to test this switch before we go any further because i'm telling you it felt like something was broken in the switch i'm going to test power.
I turned it off: we've got no power up here. Let's test the ground: okay power is dead, so we're going to do is we're going to ohm out this switch okay, so my switch is on now it just i don't know it's it's loose right here doesn't feel right. We have continuity, look at the resistance across the switch there's a lot of resistance across that switch. It's not making good contact and this one has no continuity.

So we've got a bad three-phase switch here. So let's go back here and look again. Look at the resistance. You shouldn't be reading resistance across the switch.

That's closed. This one has low resistance. This one has very high resistance, and this one has nothing so yeah we've got a bad three-phase switch, so we're gon na go ahead and change out. This three-phase switch so the color combination.

We got to mark that because this we don't want to reverse the rotation. So we're going to go black to red red to white blue to black. You can do a couple different things. You can mark it two three.

I guess before i uh honestly, i probably should have checked the motor to ground to make sure we didn't round out the motor, because with the one leg that was completely bad, it was probably single phasing. So before we go any further, i'm going to go ahead and test the motor windings to ground, which is this one right here, we'll test this to ground, to see if we have any shorts to ground, no short to ground, no short to ground, no short to Ground and we should have continuity between the windings four ohms, four ohms, four ohms, so theoretically, our motor should still be good. In theory, yeah, this switch is uh good thing. The meter can take a beating.

I got a uh. This is a square d switch. I keep these in my truck, hopefully it'll fit in here it should this one comes with the whole enclosure and everything yep should fit in there. Just fine make sure you uh torque them down properly.

There we go. Click click click yeah; they meet the proper torque specs. In all seriousness, guys. I am joking around with the torque stuff.

If you guys feel the need, you need to make sure that you're using a torque wrench to make sure that uh, you actually uh, don't over. Tighten or leave a screw too loose when it comes to electrical connections and or flow nuts, don't just listen to some stupid guy because he makes youtube videos and you got to try to cram all that stuff in there. That's what i don't like about these things put way too much crap in these switch boxes. Man, this idiot's got this giant wire head in here.

That's causing problems. There we go that'll work. I told you i'd win. I'm gon na go turn the power back on leave the switch off and then we'll test the motor after okay, let's fire this guy up, first we're going to check voltage, make sure we got three phase coming in yup three phase coming in nothing, shorted we'll uh Have to find a better place to check current draw and let's see if this guy fires up without blowing up one two three, please don't blow up it's running.
It's got a nice little vibration to it, but it's running. Okay, we're gon na open up uh! There's a j box right here and we can test current draw right there, all right. I turned it off right down in here it's kind of hard to see, but it says up at the top 3.2 and 1.6 for the current draw or the full load amps and it's rated for 230 or 460. We have 230, so we should be allowed to run 3.2 amps now the fact that this unit is vibrating so bad leads me to believe.

That's the reason why the switch went bad because i'll turn it on again. I don't know if it comes across on the camera, but this thing is vibrating really bad and that would ruin that switch, but we're still gon na. We got it operational. I'm gon na lift up the fan.

Look at the bottom side of the wheel, see if there's any damage, um we're gon na open that up and check current draw. Look at how crispy that looks. It's all corroded in there that looks healthy. I'm gon na have to turn the camera off and open that up carefully.

I was able to carefully get that out and we're running 2.8 amps, so we're under the 3.2 so we're okay on current draw. But now we got ta investigate why this thing is vibrating. So bad um, what i notice is, if i power it down, i don't know if this is picked up or not, but this is wobbling like like the shaft has bent where the blower's bent it's come all the way up, the shaft of the motor - and i Could see the whole fan assembly wobbling inside of the motor again it probably isn't coming across because of the frame rate, but um this thing has hinges, so i should be able to hinge it and get a bottom look at the wheel, all right, here's, the underside! I don't see anything stuck in the wheel, it doesn't look abnormally dirty, so we just have a out of balance blower wheel, shaft in the motor, something like that um. I can absolutely guarantee you.

This customer is not going to repair this and i guarantee they're going to replace the fan. I know them a little too well. They order their own fans so we'll get all the specs off of it, but at least we have a working fan for now and then i'll just warn them that if they don't get this taken care of asap, then they're gon na have another bad switch. If not more damage soon and then when we do so, we'll definitely redo that electrical box redo the conduit all new wire, because there's some corrosion inside there put new gaskets on them all that good stuff.

So it's interesting because i i really do think that these customers are sold on. You know very low preventative maintenance and, while i will agree, they shouldn't have to do as much preventative maintenance on these fans with no, you know belts or anything, but they still need to have people in there checking on the equipment. Looking for the vibration, you know that switch failing could have been prevented. Had you know uh once a month once every other month, someone just come and walk through, and you know investigate the fans, look for strange vibrations and from the damage on the fan.
It almost looks like maybe the hood cleaners dropped. The fan i prefer to use super hinges by omni containment because they have an automatic catch on them. This one has a catch, but you have the ability to disengage it, and i think that's what happened and that's. Why that fan is dented in the way that it is because someone probably dropped it and threw the thing made it all cattywompus to where it you know, started vibrating like that um, but you have to remember that you know remember this.

Whole big picture diagnosis thing right: you've got to look at the big picture because that switch didn't just fail more than likely something caused it to fill. Was it loose electrical connections? Was it the ambient environment being very corrosive? You know if this was uh near the ocean. You know, maybe the salt was corroding. The inside of the switch contacts i mean that's the kind of stuff you need to think about, there's a reason that parts fail now there's a small percentage of parts that just fail and you'll never find what's wrong with them.

But for the most part, if you stare at something long enough, you can kind of figure out what happened. You know i at least try to do that as much as possible. Again, i'm not always successful. To say this is the exact cause and another thing too: i never go down to the customer and say the problem is 100 solved.

You will never have another issue, no, no! Okay! I did the best that i could more than likely. This is what caused the switch to fail. Everything's operating at properly at this time, keep an eye on it that kind of a thing. Okay.

Now, in this situation, i did bring the information up to the customer and they actually already replaced the exhaust vendor. They had us replace it. I don't have footage changing it out, but those fans are silly. Just we use a crane, lift them up there.

Real quick, no big deal. Actually this one. We might have used our equipment lift depending on the location, we'll use our uh telescoping. We have a sumner, uh 24 foot equipment, lift that'll, lift the stuff up there.

I think i've shown it in some videos before, but it has outriggers and everything does a really good job. I think we can lift up to like 800 pounds. I think i don't know anyways but um yeah, so the customer ended up replacing the fan, but i did everything i could to get it operational and working properly. As far as those three-phase switches you know, i use those.

Quite often i do run into failed switches. I prefer using those switches over a disconnect switch because disconnect switches are big and bulky and if at all possible, i prefer not to have fuses on an exhaust fan. I prefer to have a motor starter, protecting it and a breaker in this situation. I didn't get footage of it, but the motor starter was actually bypassed.
Okay, the customer. It's it's a long story, but they have a variable flow hood system and they're, not using it, so they put in traditional motor starters um, so it i shouldn't say bypass, but it's not a vfd anymore so because it has a traditional motor starter. This fan runs at basically 100 60 hertz all the time so um, but i'm sorry, i lost my train of thought there for a minute but yeah i prefer to have these switches. It is kind of tight, fitting the switches into some of those boxes.

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47 thoughts on “Why is there smoke in the kitchen ?”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Pekkala says:

    I was just thinking when u turned the fan off and on with the safety switch: If on VFD you should never do that with a switch placed after the VFD because the start current might then damage it. If VFD was bypassed then I get why you could operate it like that. Otherwise u would have needed to to it from the VFD to avoid blowing that.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sedated By life says:

    Makes me glad the only frustration I deal with are 3-way switches in my old house built in the late '30's lol. I have to deal with the old fabric and wax sheathing that crumbles and that aluminized copper

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Caper By says:

    I use a portable dewault shop vac its ac and dc they work amazing and is awesome for little jobs like these ones I do the maintance on walmart

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jason Underwood says:

    Stuffing crap into an electrical box… the struggle is real.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jj Mn says:

    Smoke Are you in Ottawa ?

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nina McClure says:

    Thank you for the a/c power lesson. And thank you for reading the comments and acknowledging them. I have an exhaust fan at work that is smoking. It's a big one, blades are at least 5 feet diameter. When the Hvac guys come in I want to watch them diag it. We have 480 3 phase so I watch and learn before I touch. Not taking any chances. I am the maintenance supervisor for the 1.5 million square foot warehouse. I love watching your videos and soaking up the info. I've learned so much since I started watching about a month ago. When I get paid I'll order some merchandise I promise.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars john oyler says:

    If you don’t like cramming the wires back into the box put a biger box on the fan Service area Barrhaven??

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Theron Fordham says:

    It’s because the fan is not belt turned so the motor shakes because it’s in the middle or look how the exit plate is bent that can be a problem be cuz is all the other exit plate there fine and not bent so that’s probably why the side has more playing than the other side so the motor wants to shake the over way away from the bent side Service area Orleans??

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ricky32908 says:

    I refuse to look at the big picture, small picture is good enough lol jk 😅

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars charity Mullins says:

    More kitchen exhaust videos plz

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars throttle bottle says:

    it's hard for most people to over-torque electrical connections, most often everything isn't tight enough.
    I'd be the fella that's at the limits of the devices, but had things come loose over the years and ruin my/others day/s.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars throttle bottle says:

    ahh, the magical green energy savings and lower maintenance BOLD FACE LIES. it all sounds good on paper, until the junk fails in 1/8th the time of standard maintained equipment and then nobody wants to repair it due to complexity and headaches, so they sell you a whole new system again (so much for savings lol)

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Da outdoor vloger says:

    the moment i saw the meter fall down i was like noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo but then it was OK.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SGT. MIKE BARAN says:

    Vibrations…70% Of the Culprit…Run it till it breaks

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Francisco castaneda says:

    I like your videos and it was a good idea to add Spanish subtitles in all your videos

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matt Streetman says:

    Switch said KByeeeeeeeeee

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nick Wallette says:

    Q: Why is there smoke in the kitchen?

    Oooh, I know! The missus is cooking again? 🙂 Are you in Nepean ?

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Douglas Morgan says:

    that dirt should never make it in the motor it is a TENV totally enclosed non-ventilated fan cooled motor

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tim USA says:

    Do you lockout & tagout all breakers and switches when your on the roof working on electrical and the breaker or disconnect could be turned back on by anyone ? 🇺🇸

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Reed's Mechanical says:

    you should change your don't blow up. to "1 2 3, don't blow up on me"

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars rofrick94 says:

    Try Wago connectors they are smaller than wire nuts I've seen them in other videos online

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars hans.preis hans.preis says:

    FLIR NUTS? Grab your Troque wrensh, you have screws loose on your owen lool…. Using flir nuts…fire hazard….sleeples nights…

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ty Huffman says:

    You ever look into direct drive fans as a replacement for those fans? No belts to replace more reliable.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars IIGrayfoxII says:

    Carry a small dust buster for things like that fan.
    Yeah its more crap you have to carry.

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TheBackRoads1 says:

    Ahhh a little AVE clicking going on 🤣🤘🏻

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars patrick Beals says:

    Always makes me happy to see someone struggle like I do with simple stuff… like putting a switch into a box 😂😂😂

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 7367Network says:

    Your videos make me wonder what took me so long to find them.
    Love watching right until the very end without any interruptions, just enjoy soaking everything up.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kevin Dees says:

    Click! 🙂

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars houbal says:

    4 ohm resistant ??? to low i think ???

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Uncle Duncan's Shack says:

    Hi Chris,

    Why don't managers do a walk around on the equipment once or twice a month?
    It seems obvious to us, but it's not general human nature.
    It's like opening the hood of your vehicle when putting in gas and having a quick look at things.
    Does not happen, that's often costly.
    But, it's like that.
    We know why but lets end that thought here.

    You did a great job with the fault finding there, that is good quality and safe work being done there.
    Keep it up,

    Kind regards to all,
    South Africa

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alek Martinez says:

    Don’t you guys maintain them?

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Terry Brummitt says:

    My wife saw me watching your videos and she commented that she loved your watch can you tell me what kind it is? Service area Ottawa??

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars realvanman1 says:

    I was curious if the failed switch had a line to line short due to it's internal mechanical failure…

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dat Stun Mane says:

    I appreciate that you take the time explaining things in depth. It’s helpful for those of us who aren’t in the trade but want to learn. Thank you for the videos, keep it up! Are you in Kanata ?

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jeffery Grady says:

    We had a customer with a similar situation and they had some previous tech wire it direct and took the switch out! I told them that was unsafe and violated code ! I was told it works don't try to fix something that is working! Unfortunately the customer was wrong but you can't argue with them! What to do?

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bill Steer says:

    do you ecer use wago connectors instead of wire nuts? are they smaller?

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Eric Schneider says:

    Following sequence of operation, I love it

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tim McArdle says:

    Proper torque: twist it off and back it up a quarter turn. Are you in Orleans ?

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars William P says:

    Are you guys doing any work on the special freezers for the vaccine?

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars redthorne2836 says:

    "Big Picture" 100% of the time, when repairing anything mechanical. I don't work in HVAC, I fix more IT related machines. But there's still…always a reason. Granted, in my field that "reason" can often be a "user," the methodology of big picture diagnosis still definitely applies. As always, excellent advice.

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stephen Phillips says:

    Do you have a link for the Klein auto torque screwdriver? Also is it available in Un-obtainium? 😄😄

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bobby Gist says:

    Aren't you in CA? Thought all the restaurants were closed…. Must be an old vid?

  43. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mentorcase says:

    Mooricans will find a way to get wire nuts into everything.

  44. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Graf Zahl says:

    So way you use so crapy switches? Use some dust and waterprove switch in germany by standart IP86. You replaced the swich anyway… labor expanse are much higher than the the 1$ more fore a better swich.

  45. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mole Man says:

    Party on

  46. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tblock says:

    was the torque the elbow or the wrist?

  47. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MrENT18 says:

    fancy torque tip on the klein hahha Service area Kanata??

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