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This video is brought to you by Sporland. Quality, integrity and tradition. Well, we've got a glycol unit. Um, basically they've got warm beer coming out their beer taps.

This glycol unit is supposed to keep the beer cold from the beer. Walk into the Taps and it's not working now. Currently it's not turned on. They had another company out here.

the beverage company. They said that it has a bad compressor but they're not Refrigeration techs. So let's get in here and see what's going on. My allergies are gonna love me.

I'm stuck in a hole over here and it's all dusty on the other side of this fan coil of which customers actually supposed to replace and look at this. this is missing. Anyways, that's a whole other story. This is the one years ago.

It's a five ton and it has one. what is it? A 14 inch duct? one single 14 inch duct run. that's probably about 50 feet long with like four drops on it. But on a five ton, the thing can't breathe at all.

The blood pressure is like breaking through the roof static pressure. but it's just joking. Um, all right. so we've got our unit right here.

Condenser doesn't look too dirty. don't see any scary stuff going on. this is that. uh, seeing these pop up more and more UBC I Don't know if they're gonna pop up anymore because they're from Ukraine um from that Kiev place or whatever or something like that I think is what? I remember I don't think that they, uh, they're gonna be getting built there anymore.

but um yeah, nothing too crazy. Doesn't look too dirty. condenser a little dusty, but I can see through it. So let's go ahead and start this guy up.

Let me find the plug all right. I Had a few Choice words to say because I had to crawl over there to get it plugged in because they unplugged it. Um, let's go ahead and turn it on. Turn the pump on.

Okay, pump works. Plus let's turn the compressor on and see what happens waiting for the digital display to kick on. 64. compressor is making the click of death.

Um, so the compressor is not starting. so let's investigate these starting components. and then we also need to investigate whether or not we're getting the right voltage. But before we go any further, we're going to pull the start cap, make sure it has a good start cap test that you can clearly hear the compressor was turning off on internal overload.

It has a clicks on well overload because it has the clicks on relay so it wasn't starting. So we'll test this guy right. This start capacitor is supposed to have 315 microfarads and we've only got 95. So we need to start by trying to change the starting components first.

More than likely that's going to be our problem. We'll change all the starting components, so this is a Tecumseh Compressor I'm going to get the information, pull up the Tecumseh app, find the part numbers, and We'll see if anybody local to where I'm at has them in stuff. All right. I Put a temporary start capacitor on there just to see if I can get it to start before I go to the supply house.
Let's turn it on, see what happens. Compressor starts: 118 volts, 6 amps so the compressor started. We're gonna let this run while I'm gone. That way, it can potentially bring the product down to temperature and then I'll get new starting components.

hopefully. I Still got to do the research to find out if they have them, but this is a Amrad or Turbo it's a Turbolytic 50. it's a universal start capacitor. Now, technically it doesn't go high enough, but I basically maxed it out and got it almost all the way to 300 microfarads.

It was enough to start the compressor. We're definitely going to put the right one on there, but that capacitor does not go to 315 microfarads, but just jumping everything together. I Was able to get it close enough to start it so we know that the compressor seems like it's working. Okay, so like I said, I'll let it run while I'm gone.

it should be almost down to Temp if not down to Temp by the time I get back and then we can troubleshoot further and potentially put new starting components on it. So I've been gone for about an hour, hour and a half or so because I'm kind of out in the boonies. so finding the supply house it's a little ways away. But in the meantime the unit came down to temperature.

it's at 30 degrees and satisfied. Compressor is warm. Um, and it's fan motor is warm. Everything's good.

So at this point I'm going to shut it down. We're going to change the capacitor and then we'll turn it on and then looks like we have a suction port on this guy. But I Don't see the need to put gauges on this depending on the amount of refrigerant that this guy holds. Um, how much refrigerant? 0.44 pounds of refrigerant? So what? Half a pound? So eight ounces of refrigerant? just under eight ounces or something? I'm not going to apply service gauges for something like that.

The fact that it came down to Temp kind of implies to me that everything seems okay. so we'll change this start count, start by turning everything off, and then swap it out. Now, one of the things that stinks. I'm going to kind of go off on a rant here.

Tecumseh is a compressor manufacturer now. They don't always make their own compressors even. Copeland does the same thing like on some of their smaller fractional horsepower compressors. Other companies will make the compressors.

We come back here. Sometimes you'll actually see data tags I Don't see anything on this one. What you can do sometimes too, is if you pull off the main tag. at least on some of the Copeland ones, they'll be the actual manufacturer's tag underneath it.

But the problem I have here is I like to go OEM on all my starting components I Like original manufactured parts and a couple different reasons. but one of the main things is because you maintain UL listings. you know they're easier to put in and stuff. For the life of me, this compressor with that model number does not exist in the United States and none of their service bulletins or literatures that myself or the supply house looked up has any information about this compressor.
parts do not cross. The only thing that happens is they give you the option to cross this over to another Tecumseh Compressor that is not identical. The starting components are different because I looked at that too so it's kind of silly of Tecumseh to do that. Makes it kind of difficult for the service guys and you know something that doesn't make sense to me was yeah, this compressor says made in France Okay, it's manufactured in the Ukraine the unit but probably not anymore.

I Feel bad for that, but it it just seems silly because they manufactured this for the United States it's running at 60 hertz. I Mean it's just dumb, just dumb. But anyways, let's get on with it. unfortunately because I got a non-oem the cap doesn't fit on there so I get to be a capacitor Bandit over here I Taped the cover on Just for safety.

it won't fit into the the holder anymore. I Hate having to do this, but it is what it is. Um, we're ready to go turn the pump on. Always make sure the pump is moving.

This guy on should start up. Let's see what we do. Oh, it's still satisfied, huh? Go figure. I Thought it was going to start.

Let's have a look at what the temperature? Yeah, it's accurate. It says 30 degrees on my thermometer so their uh temperature controller is accurate. cap wasn't in. very good.

The guy that was here before me from the beverage company left it out. You don't ever want to leave those off because dust will fill up there we go: Starts at about 6 amps, 116 volts, 6.2 amps. Let's see what this guy says right here: Compressor 1 3 horsepower, 9.5 amps I Think we might be losing a condenser fan motor too. like I was making a funky noise.

We might have to go all the way back to the supply house to get a condenser fan motor. that stinks, huh? But yeah, that connection is going bad for sure. Um, but yeah, we're under current on the compressor so we're good. We want to be careful, but take my blower die out.

Blow that guy out to all the dust out. Try not to breathe it in that way we clean that guy. It's just tucked in such a corner over here. Show my distaste and anger for these units again too.

Everything's Metric. From that, it's like a 10 millimeter or nine millimeter like the screws holding the motor in Metric like it's just dumb. Yeah, so got a new one in my uh viewers will probably be happy that I'm using Wego connectors I Know a lot of my European viewers don't understand I've been starting to use them a little bit more. They're pretty cool.

So we're going to zip tie everything up and hope that I put the right motor in and got the right direction. It was the pump so it needs to spin this direction. Needs to spin this direction. Wait a minute here though.
Yeah, needs to spin that direction. Let's see if it does. Okay slowing down I Shut it off. Yes, it is spinning that direction so we are good to go so we'll start this guy back up.

We'll zip tie everything up and we should be done for today. Hopefully no more squeaking sound coming from the condenser fan motor. That's a plus. it's moving air right across the condenser.

Everything's looking good like I said I need to zip tie a few things up, protect these wires, and uh, so let's do that. I Guess I should check the motor current too. It's allowed to run 0.38 amps so I'll get a current tester on there so we're right within spec. We're allowed to run 0.38 we'll run 0.35 and we're moving air like we're supposed to.

So I think all is well. All right. So I went ahead and put that filter media back on there. We cleaned the condenser, the unit's operating, put all the panels back on.

it's back where it's supposed to be. Just to give you guys perspective, this is what I'm working in. There's like this air handler right here and it's tight duct work over there so I could get over there. It's just you know, having to straddle this guy.

So I gotta organize my bag because I got everything everywhere right now at the moment. so that's it. We'll catch you on the next one. So I was working on a glycol unit or a beer line Chiller or a beer chill or whatever you want to call it.

Okay, it's a tiny Chiller It takes refrigerant right? usually with some sort of a heat exchanger, typically a flat plate heat exchanger on the newer model units. Okay, so on this particular unit, you have a flat plate heat exchanger. You have refrigerant going in one circuit, and then it's separated by stainless steel. and on the other side of that stainless steel is glycol.

right propylene glycol in the case of this unit, and the propylene glycol circulates through the bath and then through the beer lines. And we chill that glycol so we're chilling a secondary media secondary fluid, which is the glycol with refrigerant. but the refrigerant and the glycol are never mixing. Okay, they just come in contact via surfaces whether it be copper lines or flat plate heat exchanger and that's where the heat exchange happens.

Okay, so the refrigerant cools the secondary fluid, the glycol which runs through via the pump on this unit some beer lines and it's usually ran in a trunk line with multiple beer tap lines and it keeps the beer cold from the beer walk-in in the case of this video or sometimes from the beer cave or wherever the beer kegs are stored. It keeps the refer or the the beer cool as it's on its Journey to the Beer tap where when the bartender pulls it they pour the nice cold beer into the mug and then they serve it to the customers. Okay and the situation of this. The customer was complaining that the beer was foaming as they were pointed into the glasses, but interestingly enough, customer said if they would pour two to three pitchers of beer and then dump those down the drain, the fourth and the fifth pitcher would be cold.
And the reason why that happens because they cleared out all the warm beer out of the lines and then they were able to get a direct run and it wasn't gaining heat fast enough to where they can pour it and it wasn't foaming. But clearly customers have the highest profit margin on alcohol, right? ironically cost them almost nothing, but they sell it for, you know, 10 times as much. but they don't like to waste beer because that's money down the drain. Okay, so they called saying the glycol unit wasn't working I went out there I found that we had a bad start capacitor.

Now my frustration really kicked in on my journey to try to find the OEM starting components when I'm changing starting components on a compressor I prefer to change them all In the case of this compressor, it had a current sensing relay, a clicks on overload, and a start capacitor. Okay, so when I went to the Supply house actually I called the Supply House I couldn't find the compressor I looked up online I did a bunch of research on my own that compressor in any of the literature and data that I have the Tecumseh app of which I have that compressor did not exist called the Supply House they're like it's not a Tecumseh Compressor I said yes it is I'll you know I'll bring you a picture Went down to the Supply house couldn't get the starting components simply because it's a foreign compressor. it was Mint or it was made in France and it really wasn't I guess meant for the United States I mean it's really odd though because it was running at 60 hertz I Don't know if they run at 50 Hertz in France but I know a lot of European countries run at 50 hertz and typically if you get a compressor, it'll be rated for a different frequency I Know that some things can run dual frequencies, different things. but anyways, that's a whole other conversation for another day.

But usually if this is meant for a foreign country, it'll be stamped with the voltage from the foreign country. You know it won't be set up for a hundred and you know, 20 volts like we operate here and it'll run at like 50 hertz or something. Okay, so it didn't make sense as to why we couldn't find this compressor in the United States or even the starting components. Now they had things that you could cross it to to a more commonly used compressor.

but I didn't need to change the compressor I just needed starting components. So I was bummed out that I couldn't get the OEM starting components. but I found an aftermarket start capacitor. but I kind of mentioned in the video I prefer to put OEM start components in there.

One of the biggest reasons is I Hate when you try to put a capacitor back in a system and you can't get a cap on it and you have to tape it up or something to protect it in this situation. That's what happened. Couldn't get the OEM start capacitor and I had the cap from the old capacitor wouldn't really fit to protect this one so it wouldn't fit in the little holder for the capacitor. I had to electrical tape it.
It sucks that I had to do that, but you know it is what it is. it's working. Uh, that this video was actually filmed like a year and a half ago I was just in my archive footage and I edited it down but compressor's still working on that thing. It's kind of funny like you know.

I I can't believe I mean I shouldn't say I can't believe more and more I'm noticing cheaper and cheaper equipment being installed in these restaurants. Okay, it's a bummer because some of the higher end name brand equipment that make glycol units they're no longer being used. and they're They're installing this really cheap budget type equipment and it doesn't last. And then you run into problems like this.

you know? I Guess you get what you pay for, but it's just interesting because you know it doesn't trickle down, you know? and I'm the one that has to solve the problems right? and I hate having to put something in like that, you know? But again, it is what it is and it's operational. I Really appreciate you making it to the end of the video and listening to me rant. Thank you very much. If you haven't already, please consider checking out my website Hvacrvideos.com a couple other ways.

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48 thoughts on “Why sell the glycol unit in the u.s. if we can’t get the parts ?”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Xcaliber Trekker says:

    Because brandon. Service area Barrhaven??

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dragón de 8 cabezas says:

    japan maybe?
    Japan has any combination of 220v 110v 50Hz 60Hz

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Look What You Did says:

    A Quality capacitor is a quality capacitor. Stop making a mountain out of an ant hill. I'll spend an hour on a phone any day over driving around looking for hardware. Nobody has the part… well what I have is good enough because it is a damn sight better than what wasn't working.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mumma & Riley H says:

    It makes no sense to have a glycol unit if you cannot buy the parts if the unit fails

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ed DeVoe says:

    Didnt see you check resistance of windings before adding the capacitor. Service area Ottawa??

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ed DeVoe says:

    Water pump is only thing you cant at local supply house so i dont understand title..

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars American Locomotive says:

    Eh, European stuff is built better. Notice how all the wiring is cabled and neatly zip-tied and tucked away, and there is a nice terminal strip interfacing everything. Notice how the refrigerant lines are all nicely bent, out of the way, yet still serviceable. American units are a rats nest of loose wires and poorly bent and secured copper. How many American-built units have you had to deal with wires chaffing/shorting out and rubbed-through refrigerant lines? Basically not possible with how this unit is assembled.

    …and metric fasteners? Everything besides like legacy lawnmower engines has been metric in the U.S. forevveerrrr

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SatoriSoul says:

    These days need to be an engineer, not just a tech.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Женя Харченко says:

    Just asked my friend here in Ukraine, it's their product and their company still manufacturing&shipping coolers from here 🙂 Before war they were based in Kharkiv city, now maybe moved, maybe not.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars PuchMaxi says:

    I feel your pain! Just the other day I was working on a front deck mower made in Sweden, everything is metric which is fine. Then you arrive at the engine, a Briggs & Stratton engine made in the U.S.A and every single fastener is SAE/Imperial! What a nightmare, you have to special order parts, screws, nuts, bolts, seals, bearings, etc. from the dealer. So this problem works both ways you see. I was tempted to drill the SAE threads and tap new metric threads, just to be done with it. But I opted to get the proper SAE bolt through Briggs & Stratton instead, at least the replacement had a Torx 45 head.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars frigginFin says:

    About your comment about those WAGOs and Europeans not understanding. WAGO is a German company and here in the metrics world (I'm not from Germany btw) we use those handy connectors all the time, thousands and thousands per month where I work. One of the top 5 innovations ever. 😎

    Great video though. I've been working with building automation systems for 33 years and I've found your videos extremely informative about what these cooling systems actually do. We usually don't have much to do with these walk in boxes.

    Thank you for sharing these with us.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 2020 Hot Shot Trucking LLC says:

    Non warranty call, slap on a hard start kit. If it's warranty, first get approval and part numbers from the manufacturer, slap on a hard start kit (using male disconnects so you don't cut the factory cord), order the OEM starting components and either way have the customer up and running ASAP. All our service vans carried the 3 popular sizes and popular condenser (9W CW and CCW) fan motors. This fan was not a common one though… Service area Nepean??

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rob Romanski says:

    Do you run like 1 call a day. 3 hours to get parts?

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars George Kolos says:

    Save yourself much time and headache. About as simple a job one can recieve. Supco 3N1.. Don't waste time on OEM that is not always required and is no better or worse these days than a 3N1

    I have seen some left on compressors for 5+ yrs and still doing it's job! Are you in Barrhaven ?

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Ocker says:

    Fixed

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Vital Ral says:

    that condensing coil fan isn't pulling air through the coil at all.
    it needs to be incased.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars tw t says:

    UBC Group – Ukrainian Beer Company. Maybe a 3rd party manufactures these units and UBC sells them?

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars matt luongo says:

    I remember that video with the 5ton fan coil

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ‍1marcelfilms says:

    Technically thats a pre war unit

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars FLYWHEEL PRIME says:

    I haven't made it all the way through the video, but need to give the original company that came out a small bit of credit. They told the client "need a new compressor", which very well may have just been an abbreviated version of what you find with cross referencing the components. You know as well as I do a lot of these clients have zero critical thinking skills, so they may have been informed of the sourcing issues and just interpreted "need new compressor".

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SuperKomet says:

    The original capacitor was branded FACON, they built them at 15 mins from my house here in northern Italy

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars freeform33 says:

    Sorry Chris but the USA is the one out of step with the rest of the world 👍🤓🇬🇧good rant though Are you in Kanata ?

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars K B says:

    Makes me laugh that you’re complaining about a unit made outside the US using metric fasteners. I’ve been working on cars for decades and ALL cars, including US manufacturers and cars made in the US, use metric fasteners exclusively and have for at least 25 years. Even US cars from 30-40 years ago use mostly metric fasteners. It’s silly that don’t use metric here.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Vince Croffutt says:

    Used to work in a bakery. None of the equipment we used was US made. Was all German made. There motors , when you get to the big stuff, are a fraction of the size. Everything was 50 hz. Had boxes on some to switch to 60hz. Our silo system took these funky fuses had to be ordered from Germany. Finally the electrician switched it to reg fuses then put breakers in. We added a second larger silo made in Italy but the electrical Components was German. The blower motor we was told if we wanted American made would be 5x the size. We wanted to get a spare. Wasnt happening. German mixer was awesome. Got a Moline as a second mixer was a piece of junk. Are you in Ottawa ?

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars quietone610 says:

    As an electrical engineer, I can tell you that power draw between 50Hz vs 60Hz is not exactly same, all else being equal (same refrigerant charge, same voltage, same capacitor etc.); at 60Hz less current is drawn and the Compressor can run inside its performance envelope, with no problem.
    However, to get the UL or CSA mark on these, the manufacturer has to PAY for dual-frequency testing (during which the current draw RLA is measured and noted), and if they don't care, then they are not allowed to mark it–i.e., a Compressor not TESTED at 60Hz cannot be marked as such. Tecumseh, Copeland, etc. are aware of this cost and pick which models go to which parts of the world to minimize the cost of testing.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Corey Babcock says:

    Actually a spartan soft starter would have been better on that

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Corey Babcock says:

    I would have put s supco on that unit and call it a day

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Corey Babcock says:

    The Ukraine war is nothing but a money laundering scheme

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Vic Gewondjan says:

    You did a great job in making it happen! I'm like you…OEM is the best option.

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Andrzej Hajder says:

    Europe has it's normalized norms so product of France has same screws as same model in Poland . I'm 100% for norms if you produce staff for US follow us standards.

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Colt 45 says:

    Yup…

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kelly Elstead says:

    So the "beverage technician" was right.

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Walker says:

    Good job Chris.

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars throttle bottle says:

    start cap bandit!!!! 🤣🤪 haha, you're excused for the hackery, since the real hackery far upstream engineering, design and build failure. lol
    at least you bothered to cover the terminals and secure it in place, most would have left it exposed and dangling by the wires.

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars throttle bottle says:

    disposable garbage, "it broke you buy new" (said in whatever foreign accent)

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mrfordfairmont says:

    the metric system is not dumb… just americans that will not convert to the metric like the rest of the world!

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars YipYip Youknow,thething says:

    I fixed my own household unit thanks to you. It was off on high head pressure. I cleaned the condenser coils and reset the unit. I wouldn’t have had the knowledge to diagnose the issue without watching dozens of your videos. I’m not even a tradesman, I’ve learned what to do just by watching. Thank you.

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars brnmcc01 says:

    To answer your title question, they don't want to sell you parts, they want you to just buy a new one. Plus they need parts to manufacture new units, if they're like most other factories, they are fighting an order backlog weeks or months long, and they need every part available to try to get new units out the door. Same with Hoshizaki ice machines, parts especially like evaporator assemblies are in short supply because people are crying for new ice machines.

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ram 5.7 anonieme says:

    I come from Europe Netherlands now I have to laugh about waco clamp strip these come. From Germany,We have been using these from Europe for more than 8 years, unfortunately what we see from the USA is antique, you are lagging behind Sorry but it really is 😂😂 We certainly understand how or what I see with your techniques from 30 years ago

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars THE HVACR DUDE says:

    There's 10+ websites that sell that compressor. Exact. 😮

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hermes says:

    I’m in the experience, the beverage guys always say it’s a bad compressor 😂😂

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TransitBiker says:

    If the unit is made in Ukraine, I would advocate putting it in cold storage (pun intended) and get replacement units till OEM parts come back online. Service area Orleans??

  43. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TransitBiker says:

    In dusty spaces I have found a good 3M 8271 P95 works great. Also it's a P rated so minimal oil contamination concern for HVAC/automotive.

  44. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SOU6900 says:

    I'm still waiting for my free sample from Wago…. Are you in Nepean ?

  45. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jr helms says:

    Great job Chris.

  46. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Worf says:

    Taiwan also uses 110V 60Hz AC as North America, complete with the same plugs. (Note that China doesn't – China uses 220V 50Hz, and that weird bladed plug).

  47. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Web Luke says:

    If it's a rebranded compressor with a "Made in France" sticker, it's not far off to think it was more accurately "Finished in France" to meet regulations. Air compressors use this scummy labeling where the compressor unit is made in China, but the final attached tank is done in the USA because the tank is regulated.

  48. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tom Irish says:

    Here in the UK True Refrigeration are a pain in the ass with their imperial sized fixings. Well built mind you pretty bulletproof, spares are expensive in the UK mind. Great content again Chris.

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