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This video is brought to you by spore'ln quality, integrity and tradition. We are back at the scene of the crime. If you guys remember, this is one that I had go down over a weekend. I had to do an emergency replacement with this exhaust fan.

Long story short, the restaurants, always had a problem with the ductwork, and they realize that, even with the new fan which is supplied by the the restaurant, they purchase it direct even with the new fan. The restaurants ductwork is way too long, and the unit runs with way too much static pressure. So there's a problem here, so we got ahold of the manufacturer. The manufacturer calculated a few things and they sent us out a 5 horsepower motor to install on this guy and a new Drive, so we're here super early this morning.

So we can get this up and running as soon as possible, so we're gon na go ahead and remove this I believe, that's a three horsepower motor, I believe and we're gon na slap in a five and then it gives us a little bit more room, but We're gon na take some preliminary vitals. First, all right, we're taking a baseline, static pressure, reading and I'll, throw a screenshot up right now and show you guys and now we're going to go ahead and power down the exhaust fan. We've got to change a motor. It's pretty much, the motor just looks a little bit bigger, not much.

We got to change the line reactor and then we'll do some readings. After that you can see what we can figure out all right, daylight's coming out we're doing much better. Now we ran into this last time. I pointed this out pointed out again I'm hoping that this works, the the hub is on the wrong side, yeah that works.

So what I did was I again I I know there's other tools. That'll, do this, but basically made a tool, put a socket on one end and ran it that way, so that way we can pull it off and then we're gon na use my airbag tools to pull the wheel off safely without damaging it. Because remember or I don't know, if you guys remember or not, but this is an aluminum wheel, so you are really thin galvanized if there's anything but it bends when you pull on it. So you got to be very careful, so we're gon na use the airbag tools all right, so wait just to help.

I know this. Isn't your guys's face yeah but pump? Let's go slowly. I might need to move oh yeah. It's going slowly, there's need for attention and that popped up.

I this is a lot of pressure so to shoot off on it because, with ending the wheel different spot, you didn't weigh down in there closer to that I've got tension online to get tension on yours. Okay, let's go together yeah, but it's it's there. Yes, I can see how not a lot yeah, not working bending the wheel. So this is why I use why, wouldn't it work better, even with my airbag tools, this thing is proving to be a nightmare.

Getting this ding wheel off really irritated right now with this crappy design, but it's just driving me nuts man, because I did one of these at the shopper. I used the airbag tool and I pulled the wheel off with the key, but we're having a hell of a time getting that to happen right now, it's being a pain. The problem is is up in here, because this thing has a reverse hub: the hubs on the wrong side see down here so without damaging anything. I don't want to damage anything because I need this fan running, so I don't want the wheel bent or anything so we're trying to be very cautious and I was able to get the key out just a little bit but because the the set screw was run Into the key like it's supposed to, the key doesn't want to come the rest of the way, so we've got three airbags and some plywood we're trying right now we're going to get some more penetrating oil, because all I have is this rust Buster.
So I'm getting actual penetrating oil from my van we're gon na try that so we got the key out. I had to damn near, destroy it to get it out. Well, hopefully I got another key, because we still might not be able to do this today. We've got the airbags under there we're trying not to band anything, but even with the airbags it still doesn't want to come off.

This is so frustrating all right. At this point. It's not coming off. We have two options number one.

Well, the best option is to get a big sawzall blade chop it off, but I guess there's two options. What I'm going to do is have the manufacturer, send me a new wheel and I'll have it if I can cut that and pound the shaft out. I won't use the new wheel, but if I have to we'll just cut it off - and you know, use the new wheel and be done so we're going to get a new key out of our van right now, we'll get this thing back up and running. This is why it's so important that you don't destroy things until you know: you're good.

For instance, someone would've went in there and cut the wires close to the motor and we would have been screwed, so you always approach these jobs at least that's how I do it like something. Bad can happen. You need to reuse things. We got the unit turned back on and again.

This is where we're just doing the temporary, because we're gon na get a new wheel, but I want to show you guys something after all, the work that we're using using the airbags applying pressure evenly the wheel is still out of balance more so than when we Got here - and this just shows how stupid this design is, so I'm gon na turn it on it's gon na get loud for a sec, but look at the wobble that the wheel has it's just a slight wobble, but it's enough it's enough to be a pain. So anyways we're gon na put this guy back together, get them operational and I'm ordering a wheel because step back, I just don't want to be in a bind to where we can't get it working. You know because this restaurant can't run without this fan, so alright we're back to attack this thing. This time we have a wheel just in case we damage anything.

We're also going to approach this a little bit differently and completely pull the the drive package off we're. So we're gon na lay the whole motor down that way. We're not working out a 45 degree angle, which is, I was thinking, may have hindered us a little bit too. So we've got the motor all loose electrical locked out turned off we're gon na flip.
This guy over right now this is what I'm talking about. Now we put something down to protect the roof, because it's that rubber membrane, so we're gon na do everything we did last time and try to separate this with the airbag tool. Again, all right, let's see if this works now we've got airbags going on all three corners: we're going to attempt to do this without cutting the shaft, but if it, if we can then we'll cut it yeah, I think we're okay, so we're gon na have to Do something else because the air bags aren't enough even with heat. Actually let me do one more thing: leave the tension on there, I'm going to heat it up, we're going to try lots of faces all right, so we tried one last thing before we cut it.

We loosen the motor bolts and we're able to get channel locks on the shaft trying to get them as much so go ahead and spin it back and forth. Stinney turns there. You go tiny, turns, okay, stop your spinning hold on. We ended up cutting it off.

So bud and pull it off just move it back and forth pop free there we go all right now. We're gon na put everything back together. It's very frustrating that I had to cut the shaft, because I wanted to keep this motor as an emergency replacement, but that's not the case so now we're just basically doing the switch over changing the electrical over. We have someone down changing the VFD.

We got to put a new line reactor on and then we'll mount the new wheel and everything back on and go from. There got the new wheel on. We made sure that we left the keys sticking out just a little bit, but I also made sure that it's going down and getting hit by the set screw that way, someone can actually take it off. This is kind of a peculiar to me, though, when you go around here.

Look at this there's two holes that someone's rill with the drill bit and they've got birds coming out of them. Hopefully that was purpose because you go to this side and there's a balancing rivet. So it's like, why did we drill holes? I hope that's not damaged, but well we're in it to win it now. So we're all connected we're ready, we're gon na get some help and lift this thing back up.

On top of that fan, okay, we have the fan on and running, I'm a little baffled by the numbers before we were running 4.1 amps with 2.9 5 inches of total external static. Now we've got two point: four: eight inches of total external static and we're running 6.5 amps, which is a little counterintuitive because it seems like we're actually going slower again. I don't have the tools to measure the airflow, so the manufacturers going to come out and verify air flow and just to reaffirm I'm not the one that wanted to change this motor. This was shipped out as a solution because they engineered and figured out that if they change that motor that it would work correctly, so I'm just the the person doing what I'm told so we'll see how this goes.
Hopefully this doesn't affect their air pool because it honestly seems like it's pulling less air at the moment, but we will see so we're pretty much done right now until the manufacturer comes out. So this is what it is all right. This is some voodoo magic kind of stuff. When I started up the exhaust fan yesterday and put the new blower wheel in, I was running 2.4 inches of total external static, which was actually lower than before.

So I put in a bigger motor replaced the wheel with the identical wheel, and I was surprised because my static pressure was lower. So therefore, I wasn't pulling as much air through the fan. Logic tells you well, we scheduled to have captive air come out today, and they came and helped me fine tune the VFD and there's some settings in there that they made again beyond my head here that basically fine-tuned and was able to speed up the fan and Get it operating better to the point now that we are running right at 3.0, 1, 3.0 to total external static, 6 point 7 amps and our airflow is increased where they actually measured air flow, and we are actually at manufacturers spec for air flow on this fan. So we are operating and all is good now I do have to say it is a little disheartening to know that before we would just change a polian speed it up and then measure air flow.

But now it's programming computer-controlled drive, which I get efficiency and things like that, but it also makes it difficult for us as service technicians so say, for instance, we have a bad drive. I don't know how to program. You know I'm gon na have to call tech support. They're gon na have to walk me through all the voodoo magic steps again to get it to program.

But I understand that's the way. We're going. That's not captive Aires fault. That's you know us pushing for more efficiency, you know utilities and different things, giving incentives for efficiency equipment and the government basically setting standards that our equipment has to be so efficient.

So you know, but it's just the way things are going and it's definitely a roller coaster. You just got to kind of get on and hang on and go through it. You know - and we just you know, we're gon na - be calling technical support a little bit more nowadays when we got all this computer-controlled stuff, but all is well we're gon na go ahead and wrap this one up. Okay, so it seems like this one.

Just doesn't, let me go it's just a nightmare. I told the customer to start from the very beginning that they had ductwork issues, because I could clearly see that the duct run was too long and the the size of the duct was rather small, and you could clearly see it in the static pressure measurement that Uh, you know they're far exceeding the ratings of that fan, so yeah that the customer basically they're national chains, so they basically purchased their own exhaust fan. You know, and I just deal with a salesman at the exhaust fan company and they came up with a solution of sending out a five horsepower motor to give more Pole, basically to compensate for the difference of the you know. The long duct run it's kind of crazy to think they were pulling three inches of static pressure.
I mean, if that wasn't stainless steel duct holy moly. That stuff would be collapsed in on itself. It's insane but um. You know, after doing everything you know the the airflow is verified.

We have the right pole. I will say that it still seems like it's not quite where it should be, but you know I'm not the one measuring the air flow and everything seems to be. You know working realistically and I don't fault the manufacturer for this at all. Either I mean realistically, they need to replace the ductwork and that's the customers decision to make the manufacturers just doing.

You know what the customer wants, essentially so no fault to the manufacturer at all they're they're doing you know what the customers asking and you know we're just limited by budgets. Basically, you know to change that ductwork would be insane. I do have to say, though I still do not appreciate the design of this fan. It's rather ridiculous what you have to go through just to change a motor, it's pretty stupid, considering I had other people helping me too.

I mean you know. Most people will send one person out for a motor swap and no big deal right. Well, this one, it's just not gon na happen, and it's very important that you approach it. You know like I did, assuming that you know stuff could go sideways and you know how do I cut that off in the very beginning who's to say whether or not I could get the shaft down? I mean there's so many unknowns, so you have to approach it very carefully because bottom line, I needed the customer running the first day.

So if I destroyed that fan, we would have been without a fan period. You you're not gon na get that motor locally you're. Not gon na get that wheel locally, I mean so you got to be so careful and it's in this situation. I'm really really working on the customer, bringing in an actual spare exhaust fan kind of like in the very first scenario with this one.

I just so happened to have a spare exhaust fan that I was going to use it. Another restaurant, but I'd like to permanently have a spare exhaust fan for this customer just to be safe to make sure that if we ever run into this problem again, you know we're not a creek, basically without a paddle. So you know just the the weird things that you have to run into dealing with restaurants. You know you got to kind of again step back and look at the big picture and think about everything you can't just go in there and just you know, start lobbing motors in and cutting shafts off, and you know and then realizing uh.
What do I do now? Oh well, you know so anyways. I really appreciate you guys taking the time to watch this. Give me some feedback down in the comments. I'm sure many of you would have done this differently.

Let me know, I'm always looking to hear how you guys would have done things differently. This one has been a nightmare for me on the flip side to I did this the day before I left for HR, which was a headache, because I was worried. The flight out - I was thinking, oh man, this fans gon na take a crap, something's gon na happen. I'm not gon na be around all ended up being okay and everything was fine, but yeah alright, well catch you guys on the next one.


44 thoughts on “Just doing what i’m told to…….”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars gtzgreatride says:

    If you can locate it CRC knock'r loose is very good rust penetrant. It's hard to find but plentiful in the industry just like kroil

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jon Larsen says:

    Before I saw the end I was going to say, the problem was in the duct sizes

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Blue Ocean says:

    Sea Foam is one of the best release agents and it can be sprayed on hot nuts/bolts if needed. Give it a try.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nina McClure says:

    I think you got the right idea of playing it safe and getting the new wheel and motor. There are a lot of nifty tricks with air hammers and pullers yadda yadda, but it only takes a slip of the wrist and bam something is bent, or busted. Experience and patience is key. You have both it seems and that will keep you safe. Thx for the great video guy.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SOURADEEP BISWAS says:

    Direct driven blower are more difficult to repair. Better to have a belt operation

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard Kirts says:

    Put anti sieze on shaft and key. Will come off real easy. Do that before you install it

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joseph Cook says:

    Could use a torch to carefully heat up the hub to make it expand

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael Lawn says:

    I am EA, why am i watching this? I guess if EA ever stops being profitable, i might just become ac repairman.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Robert Amos IV says:

    That's the crap that CaptiveAire is selling? Sheesh

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 20ytech Explains says:

    It would've given me the chills but I think I would've dissemble the motor to the core so that I could pull it out, but then again the sheet metals would probably get destroyed therefore cutting it was a safer bet, thanks Chris for the best content.. Service area Barrhaven??

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars alastair says:

    Also go buy yourself a long ball joint splitter for a car the fork will fit between the housing and the hub to pop it off

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars alastair says:

    Copper grease the shaft but not the keyway makes it easier next time

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hola! Paul HVAC says:

    Great video and your thinking process on a repair is spot on. Thats the approach I take on all repairs..treat it with respect in the event if something goes south its not abused and plan b can be put in place. Errks me when I see a technician yanking wires off and butching things apart. One suggestion I would kindly give. When you are dealing with something stubborn like this…when you reassemble it I always put some ant-seize on the shaft in the event this poorly design components needs to be removed again down the road. Just my nickles worth. Really enjoyed this real world service video. Cheers

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nguyแป…n Ngแปc Ly ๐Ÿ€ says:

    Why not use some heat to get some differential thermal expansion to remove the fan?

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Uncle Duncan's Shack says:

    Tend to think blower wheels are one time install only.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kwaq84 says:

    VFD's aren't that hard to learn, especially those that have simple characteristic. What you need to know is motor specs that are on motor nameplate, ie. voltage, amps, frequency, slip, power factor and efficacy. That is usually enough to program VFD to set it as softstarter or drive the motor at certain speed. It gets bit tricky when you have to set different programs, speeding up and down ramps, driving at higher than 60Hz frequencies, that sort of stuff. Having a manual for specific VFD is a must, unfortunately. Once you get basics it's not that scary ๐Ÿ˜‰

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alasdair Munro says:

    Couldnโ€™t you drill and tap three holes spaced at 120 degrees in the centre hub and use a puller bearing on the end of the shaft? Once done, the holes are there for the next occasion you need it. Are you in Orleans ?

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Evolve 007 says:

    Wheel wobble is typical for any welded wheel, due to heat zones created…visual wheel wobble can be separate of an actual balance issue

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matthew Gregory says:

    You have a cold man it must be really tough to have a cold during a pandemic then you got to get tested just for having a cold Service area Kanata??

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars gndl00p says:

    WD(water displacing) -40 is a solvent not a lubricant.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars kingofl337 says:

    VFD's really isn't hard to program, you should purchase a cheap one and a motor and play with it. You just need an enable and an analog voltage to change the speed. Speed is adjusted by frequency, less then 60Hz is slower than the nameplate, and over 60Hz is faster. If you can understand all the AC pressures and such you can definitely understand a FVD.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars mjboy8790 says:

    Lol it has wobble because youโ€™ve been prying on it ๐Ÿ˜‚

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Know Way says:

    Used to run into corroded/stuck things like this years ago. Penetrant oil, heat and hammer usually got it off eventually as said. When reassembling I'd always apply anti-seize / never-seize so it slips off easier – the next time -. A few seconds to apply a dab, saves time and headaches in the future.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jarhead shooter says:

    With the chem labs i run into the same issue you face here. At the time one of my new techs (a motor head) suggested a tie rod fork. With his teaching it became our best technique by far! It allows me to remove the fan by the hub without deformation!

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mike Moisey says:

    If the old motor wasn't overloading, then a larger motor wouldn't change anything. You would need an impeller that could move more cfm for the larger motor you installed. Experience will come with your work and I believe you will get there quickly.

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Smith says:

    You do realise that all asynchronous motors run at 1750rpm per the laws of physics, so going from a 3 HP to a 5 doesn't increase airflow as long as the 3 wasn't bogged down. The fan spins at the same speed in both cases =equal airflow. The 5HP is just less efficient so takes more amps. Those engineers are idiots!

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Smith says:

    NEVER SEIZE on all SHAFTS AND HUBS for fucks sake!!!

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Smith says:

    So instead of cutting the cheap rotor up and finnally cutting the hub to remove it from the shaft, you ruined an almost brand new electric motor. How very environmentaly concious of you. All that time you faffed with the airbage would have covered the additional time needen to chop up the fan. You sure are a dolt when it comes to mechanical stuff (see shaft to that tandem blower recently). Jeez!

  29. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars buixote says:

    Computers will save us! YOu'll get the hang of it, I'm sure. Service area Nepean??

  30. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joe Dillon says:

    Every video is a teaching of something new! Thank you. Are you in Barrhaven ?

  31. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Diesel Ramcharger says:

    you need an air hammer with a brass punch for releasing wheels like that. this was the wrong way to do it.

  32. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Eric Jackson says:

    Hi, I watch these things regularly and just wanted add a tip for you guys as an ex mechanic. i would have set the motor down upside down on the roof as you did, applied pressure with the airbags, and then grabbed a socket that matches the diameter of the shaft, and tapped on the shaft from the fan sife, ot would pop right off. give it a try, you will be surprised. great vids as usual. Are you in Nepean ?

  33. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars chemech says:

    Oh, and VFD speed control is not necessarily more energy efficient…

  34. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Golding says:

    Y3p, Iโ€™ve had to move into what they call is better but wow, What a pain! Making up for crappy duct is simply wrong and that design ๐Ÿคฌ๐Ÿคฌ on the wheel Dammmn. Had em donโ€™t like em! What we have to do. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ keep on cooling and ventilating.

  35. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mike Glasgow says:

    I worked on a great amount of seed dryers that were built in the Netherlands. All temps were controlled by a PLC. All motors were on VFD drives. Most temps were maintained at + – 1C. In talking to a tech that was here from The Netherlands, he told me that ALL HVAC equipment in his country had to have VFD DRIVES with soft start and ramp up speed as to reduce starting amp inrush. Needless to say, I was on the phone with VFD Drive companies to solve many problems. Most of the time their tech support guys can walk you through all the settings in a matter of minutes.

  36. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars electromechanical stuff says:

    We had to saws all the motor shaft to replace a motor. Lol edit watched longer and I said that was an option
    2nd edit u cut it off! Ya what a pain. At least when we did it, it was because the motor was bad. Not your case

  37. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Gavin says:

    Next time try a can of ice spray on the dlshaft as soon as you've got some heat into the boss should give it a bit more thermal shock to get it free

  38. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars A Wilson says:

    The wheel manufacturer should have welded a flange onto the bottom of the hub so you would have a place to attach a pulley puller to ensure the safe removal of the wheel from the shaft…

  39. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars citroenfil says:

    It seems a bad design of fan blades. Most have two or three threaded holes on the inside to put bolts and a puller centre bolt onto the motor shaft.

  40. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lengthOFpole says:

    you can always use the barrel seating trick. Heat the hub and then take a can of compressed air tip it upside down and chill the shaft. That way the shaft gets chilled and shrinks and the hub gets heated up and expands.

  41. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lengthOFpole says:

    would 6 amps not be less efficient then 2 amps?

  42. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars exploring peco says:

    With airbags then take air hammer too shaft then pop it's off I would try that….. Are you in Ottawa ?

  43. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Amundsen says:

    I would have drilled and taped 2 holes, and make a puller, you will not damage the fan, cheaper than a 3hp motor.
    VFD's are not voodoo or rocket science, 60hz the motor runs at nameplate speed 120hz the motor runs double speed, read thru the manual, do some research and you got it.

  44. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars S S says:

    I would have thought freeze the parts to shrink the metal

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