We are covering the new 2023 HVAC efficiency laws and what happens to the old equipment. Is equipment going to be grandfathered? What happens if you already have a piece of equipment from the old standards? New laws have to be factored in when making decisions on what HVAC systems make sense in your situation. The new standards will phase out equipment but not all equipment. When the equipment was made plays a role in this.
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11 thoughts on “New 2023 hvac laws. what happens to old equipment?!”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jake legg says:

    Last time i saw this mess?
    Water saving toilets.
    How is it saving water, if it takes five flushes and a bunch of swearing, to get the load transferred?
    People sought out non compliant toilets and installed them.
    Was there a government response? I do not know.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jerry Rodriguez says:

    The EPA can’t create law after the latest Supreme Court case 😂

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Donald Henry says:

    From what I understand you will not be able to install 14 seer system after the 31st you will not be able to permit the old 14 seer and anything permitted prior must be completely installed including electrical connections to unit and inspected by the 31st no loopholes this time around. I believe Carrier has already stopped production and shipments of old 14 seer units. 14 seer2 are now arriving and will be available.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Wesley MaGill says:

    what happens is you slap some discounts on them and back date the "sale/instal dates" to december and have one heck of a december!

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Shane W says:

    Typical Democrats imposing their will on the sheeple.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ghostofcpast says:

    I don't give a damn. If the FBI can lose hunter biden's laptop the rest of the code/ law enforcement and so on can line up to french kiss my ass. Service area Barrhaven??

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Don Dalphin Jr says:

    I retired from front HVAC trade after 40 years. I was in So. California, which has some of the strictest rules in the country. when the last of R-22 units were made, some cities (liberal run) would not allow them to be installed, even though it was legal to so in other cities, until none were available. one city in particular (Newport Beach) only allowed " slim line" units due to low decibel levels, and was required to be installed in such a manner so the neighbor could not see them. Permit process was ridiculous, had to submit drawings of location, wall height, etc. and then there were the inspectors, one in particular got on his hands & knees, then look across the fence to neighbors window to confirm neighbor could not see it. another job, same city, neighbor complained, had to hire a " city approved sound engineer" to check decibel ratings. the last several years, had to have equipment / duct leak test along with refrigerant superheated/ subcooling tests by an independent inspector before calling for inspection. My prices were high as I always did it "by the book" I routinely lost jobs to those hacks who did not obtain permits. I now live in a different state, and feel sorry for my friends back there trying to make an honest living Are you in Nepean ?

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Garth Clark says:

    Very good idea to buy now and get the ones made before 1-1-2023. At least you'll have them before the "restrictions" come into play. I've thought of purchasing a new water heater and just storing it for the time I will need one mainly because it seems that when I will need one, it's going to either require electric power and larger ducting to run it, heat pump type or all electric. I don't have room in my main service for more circuits so to make the DOE or EPA happy, it would cost me a good $5,000 just to get power to the location. I've thought the same with my HVAC system too. I'm in CA and they are pushing HP which I don't see as helping my winter electric bill any plus, again I don't have 220v in the attic.
    On another note, is changing the HVAC systems really the smartest focal point for most of the USA? We have residences and commercial building that are pre 1990 and I guarantee you that a good 70% of those are not all that efficient when it comes to the "living envelope". I think its more prudent to concentrate with the public into replacing their old windows, removing existing attic insulation and replacing it but not the "spray in" type, batts or rolls only. Then those homes with raised foundations could use insulation between the living space floors and the crawl space. It's rather expensive to do but then the walls may not have any insulation at all, especially those homes and buildings built prior to the 1970's. I just don't see how forcing folks to spend big on HVAC when those systems aren't getting any help with the space conditions is doing any good. As usuall, the Government puts the cart before the horse so they might not be helping a darn thing with new HVAC systems in trying to heat and cool older structures that are full of holes or leaks. As far as energy rates go, its an illusion that we'll save in the long run if that is the main reason for replacing a running system with a new one. You can have the most efficient anything in your home and all it takes is a rate increase to throw all of that extra cost you paid to have an efficient energy bill. May as well keep what you have if its trouble free and pay the overly politicaly priced energy bill each month. In CA the electric rates are 36 cents per kWh for the average customer and natural gas is about $2.15 per therm or cuft. Both of these rates were one half of this number just a year ago so 18 cents and $1. I know of NO BUSINESS or industry that can double their sales prices that fast and remain in business ! (actually I do but they're monopolies).

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kenster says:

    Per Carrier on their website…

    “ Carrier’s latest launch is critical to fully transitioning inventory in the South to 2023 compliant products prior to the January 1, 2023 date of installation cutoff for air conditioners sold in the Southern regions.

    Fines for installing non-compliant air conditioners can be as high as $503.00 per unit. Carrier is pleased to offer an enhanced line of air conditioning units in advance of regulatory changes to its customers.”

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael W. Perry says:

    You are not political, but I am. Beating up on people in the Southeast U.S. is what I expect from the current administration. We don't vote for them, so they intend to punish us. This emphasis on forcing greater efficiency out of increasingly costly HVAC is cruel for low-income Southerners, particularly the elderly. The heat and humidity here is terrible. It also misses a critical point. Effective insulation is far more cost effective than squeezing out a few more SEER points. One expense creates a permanent benefit. In East Alabama location my R-70 attic with attic foil and double-curtained windows means that I only run my heat pump on the rare occasions when my interior temperatures goes below the mid-60s (winter) or above the low 80s (summer). If you want to understand our federal government and why they care less about the cost of their regulations, check median income statistics. They vary slightly, but the results are similar, roughly eight out of the ten wealthiest counties in the country lie in a belt around D.C.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars tomwiles says:

    I recently upgraded to a heat pump even though my old furnace/AC equipment still functioned prior to removal. What happens to old (but still functional) HVAC equipment? Is it always scrapped after it is hauled away?

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